HD Pentax-DA Fish-Eye 10-17mm f/3.5-4.5 ED

**Larrymc** · 07-06-2019, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

Issue is - there is no way to hold your fingers away from the ring with DA 35 and DA50 or DA Ltds...
I need to hold the camera like a point and shoot - all around its body and keep away from the lens. And that can be frustrating at times...
Lately ive been using DA primes in manual focus only mode because of how frustrating it can get.
Its an exapmle of gear getting in the way of taking photos.

Sure it is I do it all the time but as Paul stated there has been no consistency

Slavek · 07-06-2019, 11:39 AM - **1 Like**

I have the smc version - the thing that they should change on the lens is the lens aperture - the smc version is making ugly stars ;-)

Trickortreat · 07-06-2019, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Larrymc

Sure it is I do it all the time but as Paul stated there has been no consistency

Well... maybe you can. Dont know how

But i really cant.
Its not an issue on bigger lenses but on DA primes it really is an unsolvable problem for me.

**Serkevan** · 07-06-2019, 01:29 PM

In my case, when I'm using the relatively small 35/50 mm primes I hold the camera from the side and below, and normally rest my fingers on the aperture ring (so quite close to the body). I haven't had the chance to try a ltd. prime yet, though

Trickortreat · 07-06-2019, 02:58 PM

There is no aperture ring on da primes.
And there is no chance people with big hands dont touch the focusing ring. Only way for me to use those DAs is to wrap my hands across camera body. Not really pleasant way to hold a camera.

**Larrymc** · 07-06-2019, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

Well... maybe you can. Dont know how

But i really cant.
Its not an issue on bigger lenses but on DA primes it really is an unsolvable problem for me.

You mean you can't cradle the base plate of the camera in the palm of your left hand and reach out slightly with your fingers and wrap them around the lens barrel. That's what I do when using smallish primes even with a smallish camera like the K-50.

Sandy Hancock · 07-06-2019, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

There is no aperture ring on da primes.

Yeah, but there is a nice grippy bit next to the mount where the aperture ring should be

Quote:

And there is no chance people with big hands don't touch the focusing ring. Only way for me to use those DAs is to wrap my hands across camera body. Not really pleasant way to hold a camera.

I have pretty big hands too, but have no trouble with the DA Limiteds. For what it's worth, with the KP I put my left thumb over the AF/MF selector switch on the body. My left index finger curls around underneath the barrel to grip the right side of the camera's mirror box. My Left middle finger curls up under the body, creating a nice flat surface roughly where the tripod socket is. Nothing touches any part of the lens at all, but my thumb and index fingers are right there if I want to use the focus ring.

I find this to be extremely comfortable and stable. Maybe it's worth a try.

Of course with the DA10-17 (the subject of this thread), there's plenty of barrel or zoom ring to grip without going anywhere near the very forward-placed focus ring.

Trickortreat · 07-06-2019, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Larrymc

You mean you can't cradle the base plate of the camera in the palm of your left hand and reach out slightly with your fingers and wrap them around the lens barrel. That's what I do when using smallish primes even with a smallish camera like the K-50.

Well. I can while camera is idle bit when i engage AF theres no way i can not get my fingers all over focusing ring so i have to hold the camera the other way (awkward way).

biz-engineer · 07-06-2019, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

There is no aperture ring on da primes.

Unless you want to use an non-auto extension tube for macro, aperture ring has been replaced by front or back dial on Pentax DSLR (it's been like that for more than two decades).

Originally posted by Trickortreat

And there is no chance people with big hands dont touch the focusing ring.

Just hold the camera with the right hand and you'll be fine.

Trickortreat · 07-06-2019, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Yeah, but there is a nice grippy bit next to the mount where the aperture ring should be

I have pretty big hands too, but have no trouble with the DA Limiteds. For what it's worth, with the KP I put my left thumb over the AF/MF selector switch on the body. My left index finger curls around underneath the barrel to grip the right side of the camera's mirror box. My Left middle finger curls up under the body, creating a nice flat surface roughly where the tripod socket is. Nothing touches any part of the lens at all, but my thumb and index fingers are right there if I want to use the focus ring.

I find this to be extremely comfortable and stable. Maybe it's worth a try.

Of course with the DA10-17 (the subject of this thread), there's plenty of barrel or zoom ring to grip without going anywhere near the very forward-placed focus ring.

If i hold it that way i have to bend fingers and it gets really unconfortable to hold after a while.
Tried pretty much everything and just gave up and now im mostly using the DA primes in manual focus mode.
Rotating focusing ring on such small lenses where i cant find a hold on the lens itself ia just an ergonomical nightmare for me.
Hope that Ricoh addresses that sooner that these coatings.
HD coatings really wont make a lot of current users buy the same lens.

biz-engineer · 07-06-2019, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

Tried pretty much everything and just gave up and now im mostly using the DA primes in manual focus mode.

Cameras have auto-focus now. It's not like in the 60s. We are in 2019 now. We have to live with our times.

Trickortreat · 07-07-2019, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Cameras have auto-focus now. It's not like in the 60s. We are in 2019 now. We have to live with our times.

Yeh but then again - modern lenses have decoupled focusing rings during AF.

Mistral75 · 07-07-2019, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

Yeh but then again - modern lenses have decoupled focusing rings during AF.

Indeed but they also have the equivalent of Pentax Quick-Shift Focus: if you touch the focus ring, even if imperceptibly, you override the autofocus and shift the focus. Therefore you shan't touch the focus ring either.

Trickortreat · 07-07-2019, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Indeed but they also have the equivalent of Pentax Quick-Shift Focus: if you touch the focus ring, even if imperceptibly, you override the autofocus and shift the focus. Therefore you shan't touch the focus ring either.

DA primes dont have quick shift at all... Anyways... not talking about all feauters here jus bits that get in the way of taking photos and rotating ring during AF is just that.

MMVIII · 07-07-2019, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

DA primes dont have quick shift at all... Anyways... not talking about all feauters here jus bits that get in the way of taking photos and rotating ring during AF is just that.

obviously for you. I, on the other hand, hate focus by wire, that modern lenses have. rotating focus ring on the 20-40 ltd with quick shift works like a charm for me.

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07-06-2019, 10:22 AM	#76
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Trickortreat Issue is - there is no way to hold your fingers away from the ring with DA 35 and DA50 or DA Ltds... I need to hold the camera like a point and shoot - all around its body and keep away from the lens. And that can be frustrating at times... Lately ive been using DA primes in manual focus only mode because of how frustrating it can get. Its an exapmle of gear getting in the way of taking photos. Sure it is I do it all the time but as Paul stated there has been no consistency

07-06-2019, 11:39 AM - 1 Like	#77
Slavek Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 66	I have the smc version - the thing that they should change on the lens is the lens aperture - the smc version is making ugly stars ;-)

07-06-2019, 12:45 PM	#78
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Originally posted by Larrymc Sure it is I do it all the time but as Paul stated there has been no consistency Well... maybe you can. Dont know how But i really cant. Its not an issue on bigger lenses but on DA primes it really is an unsolvable problem for me.

07-06-2019, 01:29 PM	#79
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	In my case, when I'm using the relatively small 35/50 mm primes I hold the camera from the side and below, and normally rest my fingers on the aperture ring (so quite close to the body). I haven't had the chance to try a ltd. prime yet, though

07-06-2019, 02:58 PM	#80
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	There is no aperture ring on da primes. And there is no chance people with big hands dont touch the focusing ring. Only way for me to use those DAs is to wrap my hands across camera body. Not really pleasant way to hold a camera.

07-06-2019, 06:13 PM	#81
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Trickortreat Well... maybe you can. Dont know how But i really cant. Its not an issue on bigger lenses but on DA primes it really is an unsolvable problem for me. You mean you can't cradle the base plate of the camera in the palm of your left hand and reach out slightly with your fingers and wrap them around the lens barrel. That's what I do when using smallish primes even with a smallish camera like the K-50.

07-06-2019, 10:29 PM	#82
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by Trickortreat There is no aperture ring on da primes. Yeah, but there is a nice grippy bit next to the mount where the aperture ring should be Quote: And there is no chance people with big hands don't touch the focusing ring. Only way for me to use those DAs is to wrap my hands across camera body. Not really pleasant way to hold a camera. I have pretty big hands too, but have no trouble with the DA Limiteds. For what it's worth, with the KP I put my left thumb over the AF/MF selector switch on the body. My left index finger curls around underneath the barrel to grip the right side of the camera's mirror box. My Left middle finger curls up under the body, creating a nice flat surface roughly where the tripod socket is. Nothing touches any part of the lens at all, but my thumb and index fingers are right there if I want to use the focus ring. I find this to be extremely comfortable and stable. Maybe it's worth a try. Of course with the DA10-17 (the subject of this thread), there's plenty of barrel or zoom ring to grip without going anywhere near the very forward-placed focus ring.

07-06-2019, 11:45 PM	#83
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Originally posted by Larrymc You mean you can't cradle the base plate of the camera in the palm of your left hand and reach out slightly with your fingers and wrap them around the lens barrel. That's what I do when using smallish primes even with a smallish camera like the K-50. Well. I can while camera is idle bit when i engage AF theres no way i can not get my fingers all over focusing ring so i have to hold the camera the other way (awkward way).

07-06-2019, 11:53 PM	#84
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by Trickortreat There is no aperture ring on da primes. Unless you want to use an non-auto extension tube for macro, aperture ring has been replaced by front or back dial on Pentax DSLR (it's been like that for more than two decades). Originally posted by Trickortreat And there is no chance people with big hands dont touch the focusing ring. Just hold the camera with the right hand and you'll be fine.

07-06-2019, 11:54 PM	#85
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Yeah, but there is a nice grippy bit next to the mount where the aperture ring should be I have pretty big hands too, but have no trouble with the DA Limiteds. For what it's worth, with the KP I put my left thumb over the AF/MF selector switch on the body. My left index finger curls around underneath the barrel to grip the right side of the camera's mirror box. My Left middle finger curls up under the body, creating a nice flat surface roughly where the tripod socket is. Nothing touches any part of the lens at all, but my thumb and index fingers are right there if I want to use the focus ring. I find this to be extremely comfortable and stable. Maybe it's worth a try. Of course with the DA10-17 (the subject of this thread), there's plenty of barrel or zoom ring to grip without going anywhere near the very forward-placed focus ring. If i hold it that way i have to bend fingers and it gets really unconfortable to hold after a while. Tried pretty much everything and just gave up and now im mostly using the DA primes in manual focus mode. Rotating focusing ring on such small lenses where i cant find a hold on the lens itself ia just an ergonomical nightmare for me. Hope that Ricoh addresses that sooner that these coatings. HD coatings really wont make a lot of current users buy the same lens.

07-06-2019, 11:57 PM	#86
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by Trickortreat Tried pretty much everything and just gave up and now im mostly using the DA primes in manual focus mode. Cameras have auto-focus now. It's not like in the 60s. We are in 2019 now. We have to live with our times.

07-07-2019, 12:18 AM	#87
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Originally posted by biz-engineer Cameras have auto-focus now. It's not like in the 60s. We are in 2019 now. We have to live with our times. Yeh but then again - modern lenses have decoupled focusing rings during AF.

07-07-2019, 01:09 AM	#88
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by Trickortreat Yeh but then again - modern lenses have decoupled focusing rings during AF. Indeed but they also have the equivalent of Pentax Quick-Shift Focus: if you touch the focus ring, even if imperceptibly, you override the autofocus and shift the focus. Therefore you shan't touch the focus ring either.

07-07-2019, 01:13 AM	#89
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Originally posted by Mistral75 Indeed but they also have the equivalent of Pentax Quick-Shift Focus: if you touch the focus ring, even if imperceptibly, you override the autofocus and shift the focus. Therefore you shan't touch the focus ring either. DA primes dont have quick shift at all... Anyways... not talking about all feauters here jus bits that get in the way of taking photos and rotating ring during AF is just that.

07-07-2019, 01:26 AM	#90
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Trickortreat DA primes dont have quick shift at all... Anyways... not talking about all feauters here jus bits that get in the way of taking photos and rotating ring during AF is just that. obviously for you. I, on the other hand, hate focus by wire, that modern lenses have. rotating focus ring on the 20-40 ltd with quick shift works like a charm for me.