Originally posted by lotech Very nice pics thanks, btw CPL (if you mean filter) and gels over flash are different can not be faked, and I doubt digital ND can do any good... since you are a working pro you need to have all kinds of tools available to satisfy different clients, and able to instant preview of the effect is a definitely plus, but for an average hobbyist shooter like myself I don't see why I need such a lens, and there are Youtube videos explaining how the Lensbaby effect can be achieved by other means. Hobbyist and enthusiast shooter like to experiment with different things to produce different effect, like how to create the cine lens effect with an ordinary lens is a hot topic, also due to lack of funding hobbyist shooter can't always get what they want in the market. Regarding Pentax lacking 3rd party support indeed a bad thing, but I don't think it will die down any time soon at least a new camera is in the making, no matter how painfully slow Pentax produces it still ticking, and the active discussion in the forum will surely cheer them up ha !
Thank you.
CPL in terms of reflection, no, not possible in PP, but boosting saturation, warmth and contrast, yeah possible. ND filter, or use the built in camera multi exposure mode to fake slo mo water, one might take longer to achieve, the other cost you $50 and you're away with the shots in a quicker time frame (and arguably better).
I'm not suggesting you need lensbaby lenses in your life, I just feel slightly defensive how a company that makes what I would call 'artistic lenses' is on the receiving ends of constant attacks from people who claim the same can be done in PP or whatever (yet actually fail to ever EVER produce an example, least of all their own). Claiming it can be done in s/w and actually having the know how are two entirely different things, and what if someone doesn't own the s/w or want to learn how to do it? Perhaps spending $199 on a Sol45 is actually cheaper than owning software, time invested in learning how to do it well vs just buying the damn lens and being happy. More time shooting and less time editing is a better thing imo. And the smearing of vaseline is a joke, its not the same, and even if it were at a wedding event you do not want to be messing around with anything greasy on the day... period. These are just silly arguments, so what if a company makes a bunch of lenses that render differently, big deal. Like it or don't like, move on is what I say and just let people shoot what they want to shoot.
Originally posted by Serkevan Lenses, cameras, filters and software are all tools. Having the right tool for the job is never a bad thing. Having to work around NOT having a tool is not ideal because it wastes time. Do I like the Velvet's effect? Eh, not really so often. Is it good that people who like it have it available?
Yes.
Your clients and yourself are the only people you should be concerned about, Eddy. (And this one is gorgeous, no matter the lens that took it
)
Agreed, and thanks.
Originally posted by troenaas I agree. I don't shoot professionally, but I'm a big fan of Lensbaby and have most of their lenses. The Velvet 56 is probably my favourite lensbaby.
If you spend hours in PP, you might be able to replicate the effect. But when you are out shooting, you can see what you get on the LCD and adjust immediately if needed. Can't do that in PP.
True, and I am actually still to see a good PP lensbaby shot in PS vs a native one of the same scene to actually accurately compare.
Photoshop is incredibly indepth, and people claiming that the effect can be done in PP is a bit like a plumber saying he can build a house. No he can't. He can work on certain aspects of a house but he is not a roofer, electrician, architect, engineer etc etc. PS is a large program and to get good at it can be a very specialised subject, to the point that professional retouchers are not even photographers. I'm not saying it can't be done in PP/PS, I'm saying I can't do it and I know my way around the program pretty well, better than most. I could have a try but it would prolly be pretty bad, and I've seen the tutorials on youtube also, but watching youtube tutorials doesn't translate to being able to do it, and again on repeat attempts. I have to bookmark a many technique or tactic to solve a particular issue in PS, so even if you can do it once, try again 3 months later.... it can be like having to relearn it all over again.
Originally posted by troenaas Thanks for sharing that info. That is very good to know.
Originally posted by lotech Right, regarding the Lensbaby effect simply by looking at the photo I doubt anyone can tell it is original or a piece of software work, workaround may not be a bad thing as long as you get the effect you wanted. And I don't know why many people like the cine effect on non cine camera, it was the design and limitation of the camera and lens to produce that light flare, and PS even has that effect built in, of course there are more than that in shooting cine. Although I am in the IT field I am against using too much of s/w in photography, but the fact is s/w can save the day in many cases.
Originally posted by troenaas I disagree. PP can save the day in very few cases, but not in many cases. If you haven't gotten it right in camera, there isn't much you can do in PP.
I sit somewhere between those two points. Get as much right in camera as possible, try and let PP amplify your image's message/intent in a tasteful manner. If I screw up a shot I try not to salvage anything these days and just cull it, although I would be lying if I said I hadn't actually attempted something that could resemble a salvage job for a client (typically I make sure my client understands the shot is a salvage and should not be viewed/printed larger than x or otherwise flaws will start to become quite apparent).
Really tho, the bottom line is
time is money (and even if you're a hobbyist the same is true in terms of not $ but your own PERSONAL time and how it is actually limited to each and everyone of us on this planet).
If you charge $100/hr and it takes you 1hr to mimic the affect of one of the lensbaby lenses in PP, then after 5 images you have spent the same as just buying the lens. Multiply that by the amount of times you do a shoot etc etc. Same goes for a hobbyist. Always I hear the argument that they
could do the effect in PP, but they never ever do, meanwhile I will take hundreds of lensbaby shots and the person whom in theory could mimic the effect in PP actually never does. It's an empty argument. Find me
one person who does the lensbaby effects in PP without owning lensbaby lenses, and does it often and has hundreds of images to prove it... but I have never found such an individual, and even if such a person existed they would be the exception to the rule and the point still stands.
Ultimately this all comes back to Pentax. Losing any third party support is not good and that really is the message at heart. If Sigma and Lensbaby sales in K Mount were good they would not abandon the mount. Why are they not good? Does this lack of support translate to lack of Pentax lenses also being purchased... see my point?
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