"Ricoh/Pentax has no plans to announce a new camera this fall"

**Serkevan** · 12-02-2019, 09:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mistral75

^ As long as it's not a pair of something more private that's dangling in the breeze...

Giving new meaning to "Tilting display", are we?

Class A · 12-02-2019, 09:59 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Serkevan

With a Sony Point and shoot.

That's a tautology.

They only make point and shoots.
That's why DPReview love them so much; you only need to point, click, and you got the shot!

reh321 · 12-02-2019, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Class A

That's a tautology.

They only make point and shoots.
That's why DPReview love them so much; you only need to point, click, and you got the shot!

Don't you have as much choice with their various ILC cameras as you have with those from any other manufacturer??

**Serkevan** · 12-02-2019, 10:37 AM

Well, technically you do, but to even get two control e-dials you have to buy a full frame body, making Manual Mode a chore. Even then, the ergonomics are so weird (in my very limited experience) that you are compelled to use full auto mode just to not suffer through the entire ordeal.

KDD · 12-02-2019, 12:44 PM

Yeah, I just puzzled that Pentax do nothing any new things for 100 years. Maybe Pentax was frustrated with Ricoh. Maybe Ricoh not allow Pentax make new things???? HUH I have no idea. It can't be. It can't be It can't be. Oh well.

reh321 · 12-02-2019, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Well, technically you do, but to even get two control e-dials you have to buy a full frame body, making Manual Mode a chore. Even then, the ergonomics are so weird (in my very limited experience) that you are compelled to use full auto mode just to not suffer through the entire ordeal.

Sony does not have good ergonomics - the power is there, but you have to learn how to get to it. Their menu system is infamous. We are spoiled with Pentax. who does help you get to the power they do have.

Class A · 12-02-2019, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Don't you have as much choice with their various ILC cameras as you have with those from any other manufacturer??

I meant to make a joke.

However, since you are asking, I think Sony systematically prioritises compactness over ergonomics. In that sense, other manufacturers offer a broader portfolio.

PDL · 12-02-2019, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by mlt

A Windows phone

I wish my Android phone (running pi) had half of the native features of my Windows Phone. If Fitbit and MyFitnessPal had not killed their apps, I would still be using it. I do keep it around and charged up, next year on my vacation I will take it along because at least I can download maps by country for navigation.

Google really stinks on ease of use.

house · 12-03-2019, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by ffking

Yes - I also have no problem using rear AF ith either K-3 or K-1 - and I don't have small hands

Coming back to the "new" AF button placement.

The great thing about the K-3 placement is that you maintain a firm grip of the camera with the thumb fully engaging the grip. You don't have to let go of the camera in any way to bb af. By just leaning the upper part of the thumb forward you engage the af. To press with the tip you need to let go slightly regardless of buttonplacement.

thibs · 12-03-2019, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by house

Coming back to the "new" AF button placement.

The great thing about the K-3 placement is that you maintain a firm grip of the camera with the thumb fully engaging the grip. You don't have to let go of the camera in any way to bb af. By just leaning the upper part of the thumb forward you engage the af. To press with the tip you need to let go slightly regardless of buttonplacement.

Stop getting on topic, will you ?

xD

Kunzite · 12-03-2019, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Stop getting on topic, will you ?

xD

What is a 'topic'?

**Kevin B123** · 12-03-2019, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

What is a 'topic'?

Here you go:
Mars Topic - The Queen's Pantry

**monochrome** · 12-03-2019, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by house

Coming back to the "new" AF button placement.

The great thing about the K-3 placement is that you maintain a firm grip of the camera with the thumb fully engaging the grip. You don't have to let go of the camera in any way to bb af. By just leaning the upper part of the thumb forward you engage the af. To press with the tip you need to let go slightly regardless of buttonplacement.

This is also true of K-1, but not of KP.

totsmuyco · 12-03-2019, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by house

Coming back to the "new" AF button placement.

The great thing about the K-3 placement is that you maintain a firm grip of the camera with the thumb fully engaging the grip. You don't have to let go of the camera in any way to bb af. By just leaning the upper part of the thumb forward you engage the af. To press with the tip you need to let go slightly regardless of buttonplacement.

True. The AF back button on the K-3/II is well placed. I have a K-5II and comparing both, the K-3/II's back AF button is more comfortable to use.

xmeda · 12-04-2019, 01:41 PM

What about LiveView switching.. On K5 it is the best place in my opinion. As the phase detect AF on K5 is sometimes unreliable, I'm using the LV contrast detect quite often with fast lenses. And switch right under thumb is perfect. Hand firmly holds camera and one slight finger move switches the operation mode easily.

Looking at the new K*NEW I only can see LV on wheel on top. Which... ehm.. is not very ergonomic for switching, while you hold the camera in right hand... I hope that there would be some custom function for some button available... or autoswitch between modes using sensor under OVF.

12-02-2019, 09:50 AM - 1 Like	#826
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Mistral75 ^ As long as it's not a pair of something more private that's dangling in the breeze... Giving new meaning to "Tilting display", are we?

12-02-2019, 09:59 AM - 2 Likes	#827
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Serkevan With a Sony Point and shoot. That's a tautology. They only make point and shoots. That's why DPReview love them so much; you only need to point, click, and you got the shot!

12-02-2019, 10:11 AM	#828
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Class A That's a tautology. They only make point and shoots. That's why DPReview love them so much; you only need to point, click, and you got the shot! Don't you have as much choice with their various ILC cameras as you have with those from any other manufacturer??

12-02-2019, 10:37 AM	#829
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Well, technically you do, but to even get two control e-dials you have to buy a full frame body, making Manual Mode a chore. Even then, the ergonomics are so weird (in my very limited experience) that you are compelled to use full auto mode just to not suffer through the entire ordeal.

12-02-2019, 12:44 PM	#830
KDD Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 403	Yeah, I just puzzled that Pentax do nothing any new things for 100 years. Maybe Pentax was frustrated with Ricoh. Maybe Ricoh not allow Pentax make new things???? HUH I have no idea. It can't be. It can't be It can't be. Oh well.

12-02-2019, 01:24 PM	#831
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Serkevan Well, technically you do, but to even get two control e-dials you have to buy a full frame body, making Manual Mode a chore. Even then, the ergonomics are so weird (in my very limited experience) that you are compelled to use full auto mode just to not suffer through the entire ordeal. Sony does not have good ergonomics - the power is there, but you have to learn how to get to it. Their menu system is infamous. We are spoiled with Pentax. who does help you get to the power they do have.

12-02-2019, 09:29 PM	#832
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by reh321 Don't you have as much choice with their various ILC cameras as you have with those from any other manufacturer?? I meant to make a joke. However, since you are asking, I think Sony systematically prioritises compactness over ergonomics. In that sense, other manufacturers offer a broader portfolio.

12-02-2019, 09:51 PM	#833
PDL Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PNW USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,127	Originally posted by mlt A Windows phone I wish my Android phone (running pi) had half of the native features of my Windows Phone. If Fitbit and MyFitnessPal had not killed their apps, I would still be using it. I do keep it around and charged up, next year on my vacation I will take it along because at least I can download maps by country for navigation. Google really stinks on ease of use.

12-03-2019, 01:05 PM	#834
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by ffking Yes - I also have no problem using rear AF ith either K-3 or K-1 - and I don't have small hands Coming back to the "new" AF button placement. The great thing about the K-3 placement is that you maintain a firm grip of the camera with the thumb fully engaging the grip. You don't have to let go of the camera in any way to bb af. By just leaning the upper part of the thumb forward you engage the af. To press with the tip you need to let go slightly regardless of buttonplacement.

12-03-2019, 01:18 PM	#835
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by house Coming back to the "new" AF button placement. The great thing about the K-3 placement is that you maintain a firm grip of the camera with the thumb fully engaging the grip. You don't have to let go of the camera in any way to bb af. By just leaning the upper part of the thumb forward you engage the af. To press with the tip you need to let go slightly regardless of buttonplacement. Stop getting on topic, will you ? xD

12-03-2019, 01:20 PM	#836
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by thibs Stop getting on topic, will you ? xD What is a 'topic'?

12-03-2019, 01:27 PM	#837
Kevin B123 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Hampshire Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,176	Originally posted by Kunzite What is a 'topic'? Here you go: Mars Topic - The Queen's Pantry

12-03-2019, 01:30 PM	#838
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by house Coming back to the "new" AF button placement. The great thing about the K-3 placement is that you maintain a firm grip of the camera with the thumb fully engaging the grip. You don't have to let go of the camera in any way to bb af. By just leaning the upper part of the thumb forward you engage the af. To press with the tip you need to let go slightly regardless of buttonplacement. This is also true of K-1, but not of KP.

12-03-2019, 08:01 PM	#839
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Originally posted by house Coming back to the "new" AF button placement. The great thing about the K-3 placement is that you maintain a firm grip of the camera with the thumb fully engaging the grip. You don't have to let go of the camera in any way to bb af. By just leaning the upper part of the thumb forward you engage the af. To press with the tip you need to let go slightly regardless of buttonplacement. True. The AF back button on the K-3/II is well placed. I have a K-5II and comparing both, the K-3/II's back AF button is more comfortable to use.

12-04-2019, 01:41 PM	#840
xmeda Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Brno Posts: 295	What about LiveView switching.. On K5 it is the best place in my opinion. As the phase detect AF on K5 is sometimes unreliable, I'm using the LV contrast detect quite often with fast lenses. And switch right under thumb is perfect. Hand firmly holds camera and one slight finger move switches the operation mode easily. Looking at the new K*NEW I only can see LV on wheel on top. Which... ehm.. is not very ergonomic for switching, while you hold the camera in right hand... I hope that there would be some custom function for some button available... or autoswitch between modes using sensor under OVF.