New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited

repaap · 10-03-2019, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

One word in caution: HEAT

Steve

That is the thing also with my gopro. It does get really hot while charging. Bigger battery would for sure do the same..

**Digitalis** · 10-03-2019, 10:56 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by thibs

USB-C by itself isn't much interesting, it's just a connector.

The USB-C connector will serve as a replacement for the HDMI port. With the amount space taken up by the HDMI port you could fit two USB-C connectors in that place.

Also the speed of data transmission from USB3.2 would be a welcome advancement...though SD card data transmission speeds would be a bottleneck.

Sandy Hancock · 10-03-2019, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by thibs

On a side note, AFAIK, Pentax DSLRs never embedded (till now) charging circuits, did they?
The GRIII does so maybe....

The GR III definitely does, as does the Theta Z1.

ZombieArmy · 10-03-2019, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Digitalis

The USB-C connector will serve as a replacement for the HDMI port. With the amount space taken up by the HDMI port you could fit two USB-C connectors in that place.

USB-C is pretty expensive per unit compared to a regular HDMI or displayport. Especially if you want the connector to be compatible with HDMI directly.

---------- Post added 10-04-19 at 02:14 AM ----------

Originally posted by Larrymc

For me WiFi is the least desirable feature that could be added, I don't need another WiFi capable device to possibly be able to be compromised in some way. it takes mere seconds to pop in an SD card into my laptop's card slots.

I don't understand this argument. Wifi can only be compromised if its on or if you installed something that took it over.

It's not a smart device, you'd only use it when you need to. And since cameras power cycle so often it'd be incredibly difficult for anyone to get anything from it.

Last edited by ZombieArmy; 10-03-2019 at 11:15 PM.

**Digitalis** · 10-03-2019, 11:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ZombieArmy

Wifi can only be compromised if its on or if you installed something that took it over.

Some malicious code can be executed without user intervention, that is how some Botnets originate.

ZombieArmy · 10-03-2019, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Digitalis

Some malicious code can be executed without user intervention, that is how some Botnets originate.

Yah but you're not visiting websites or opening emails on your camera. My Pentax's wifi is the least of my concern when it comes to my devices being compromised.

bxf · 10-03-2019, 11:28 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ZombieArmy

you're not visiting websites or opening emails on your camera

What, I can't do that? Now that's something to complain about.

**Digitalis** · 10-03-2019, 11:29 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ZombieArmy

My Pentax's wifi is the least of my concern when it comes to my devices being compromised.

It is low on my list of concerns as well, however I have only seldom made use of Wi-Fi connectivity at home or at work. I had one artistic director request I pair my cameras to his laptop - that is one way malicious code can be transferred if the user of the laptop in question is careless with security.

**rod_grant** · 10-03-2019, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by bxf

Now that's something to complain about.

What! Not in this area of the Forum, surely?!!!!

**ffking** · 10-03-2019, 11:41 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Zooland

Not sure, unless you accidentally hit the button while looking into the viewfinder and it the pops and hits you on the face.

No wishing to add fuel to this fire, but it would be possible for the sensor under the viewfinder to disable that function, in the hypothetical case that that is what the button does

thibs · 10-03-2019, 11:51 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Digitalis

It is low on my list of concerns as well, however I have only seldom made use of Wi-Fi connectivity at home or at work. I had one artistic director request I pair my cameras to his laptop - that is one way malicious code can be transferred if the user of the laptop in question is careless with security.

In theory, yes.
Practically, very unlikely till now since the the code needs to target the victim. I can't imagine someone targeting Pentax DSLRs ruuning an obscure OS not even (AFAIK) available to end users.
Now if Ricoh/Pentax transition to Android, that may be a bit more concerning but frankly, all Canon, Nikon, Panasonic and Sony users will be hell of better targets than us.

ZombieArmy · 10-03-2019, 11:53 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ffking

No wishing to add fuel to this fire, but it would be possible for the sensor under the viewfinder to disable that function, in the hypothetical case that that is what the button does

I actually think a button to pop out the screen would be really elegant, especially if you're wearing gloves. It can actually be a bit of a pain on the KP currently.

**ffking** · 10-04-2019, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by ZombieArmy

I actually think a button to pop out the screen would be really elegant, especially if you're wearing gloves. It can actually be a bit of a pain on the KP currently.

I'm certainly not against it -there is evidence that somethig is going on - there is a bigger gap between the glass and the surround than on my K-3, and that button is left unmarked for a reason - but there are problems too, as currently constituted, like the vulnerability of the screen to edge chipping if it were able to come clear of the body. The mechanism would also have the be very thin, and therefore vulnerable to damage - the K-3 screen is recessed from the RHS buttons whereas the K-1 screen protrudes behind them - no dangling the camera from this one, if it were to exist, I suspect,

troenaas · 10-04-2019, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by impossibro

Honestly, PENTAX doesn't need to bring anything super revolutionary to the table as long the feature set brings the performance in line with the other modern dslr/dslm cameras. Pentax will probably become the go-to brand for dslrs much like Leica is the go-to brand for rangefinders (based on how the industry is shifting to mirrorless).

In my opinion, all cameras have reached such a high level of performance that it is becoming increasingly difficult to bring anything revolutionary to the market. New cameras will have little new to offer over existing cameras. The less you have to offer in a new release, the less likely people will buy it. Additionally, In this age of environmental awareness, people will also be more prone to keep their equipment for a longer time. In such a situation, the bigger you are the harder you will fall. In that respect, I'm happy that Pentax isn't bringing new cameras to the market every single year. I think Ricoh has a sound longterm strategy for Pentax.

If Pentax becomes the only DSLR player, thats even better.

Pentax's main area for improvement is AF performance.

Kunzite · 10-04-2019, 01:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ffking

I'm certainly not against it -there is evidence that somethig is going on - there is a bigger gap between the glass and the surround than on my K-3, and that button is left unmarked for a reason - but there are problems too, as currently constituted, like the vulnerability of the screen to edge chipping if it were able to come clear of the body. The mechanism would also have the be very thin, and therefore vulnerable to damage - the K-3 screen is recessed from the RHS buttons whereas the K-1 screen protrudes behind them - no dangling the camera from this one, if it were to exist, I suspect,

Sigh... I give up. I'll start looking for the hidden "pop out LCD" on my GR III, because it has the same screen.

10-04-2019, 12:15 AM	#1889
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Originally posted by impossibro Honestly, PENTAX doesn't need to bring anything super revolutionary to the table as long the feature set brings the performance in line with the other modern dslr/dslm cameras. Pentax will probably become the go-to brand for dslrs much like Leica is the go-to brand for rangefinders (based on how the industry is shifting to mirrorless). In my opinion, all cameras have reached such a high level of performance that it is becoming increasingly difficult to bring anything revolutionary to the market. New cameras will have little new to offer over existing cameras. The less you have to offer in a new release, the less likely people will buy it. Additionally, In this age of environmental awareness, people will also be more prone to keep their equipment for a longer time. In such a situation, the bigger you are the harder you will fall. In that respect, I'm happy that Pentax isn't bringing new cameras to the market every single year. I think Ricoh has a sound longterm strategy for Pentax. If Pentax becomes the only DSLR player, thats even better. Pentax's main area for improvement is AF performance. Last edited by troenaas; 10-04-2019 at 01:19 AM.

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10-03-2019, 10:53 PM	#1876
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by stevebrot One word in caution: HEAT Steve That is the thing also with my gopro. It does get really hot while charging. Bigger battery would for sure do the same..

10-03-2019, 10:56 PM - 1 Like	#1877
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by thibs USB-C by itself isn't much interesting, it's just a connector. The USB-C connector will serve as a replacement for the HDMI port. With the amount space taken up by the HDMI port you could fit two USB-C connectors in that place. Also the speed of data transmission from USB3.2 would be a welcome advancement...though SD card data transmission speeds would be a bottleneck.

10-03-2019, 11:07 PM	#1878
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by thibs On a side note, AFAIK, Pentax DSLRs never embedded (till now) charging circuits, did they? The GRIII does so maybe.... The GR III definitely does, as does the Theta Z1.

10-03-2019, 11:10 PM	#1879
ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	Originally posted by Digitalis The USB-C connector will serve as a replacement for the HDMI port. With the amount space taken up by the HDMI port you could fit two USB-C connectors in that place. USB-C is pretty expensive per unit compared to a regular HDMI or displayport. Especially if you want the connector to be compatible with HDMI directly. ---------- Post added 10-04-19 at 02:14 AM ---------- Originally posted by Larrymc For me WiFi is the least desirable feature that could be added, I don't need another WiFi capable device to possibly be able to be compromised in some way. it takes mere seconds to pop in an SD card into my laptop's card slots. I don't understand this argument. Wifi can only be compromised if its on or if you installed something that took it over. It's not a smart device, you'd only use it when you need to. And since cameras power cycle so often it'd be incredibly difficult for anyone to get anything from it. Last edited by ZombieArmy; 10-03-2019 at 11:15 PM.

10-03-2019, 11:16 PM - 1 Like	#1880
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by ZombieArmy Wifi can only be compromised if its on or if you installed something that took it over. Some malicious code can be executed without user intervention, that is how some Botnets originate.

10-03-2019, 11:20 PM	#1881
ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	Originally posted by Digitalis Some malicious code can be executed without user intervention, that is how some Botnets originate. Yah but you're not visiting websites or opening emails on your camera. My Pentax's wifi is the least of my concern when it comes to my devices being compromised.

10-03-2019, 11:28 PM - 2 Likes	#1882
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by ZombieArmy you're not visiting websites or opening emails on your camera What, I can't do that? Now that's something to complain about.

10-03-2019, 11:29 PM - 2 Likes	#1883
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by ZombieArmy My Pentax's wifi is the least of my concern when it comes to my devices being compromised. It is low on my list of concerns as well, however I have only seldom made use of Wi-Fi connectivity at home or at work. I had one artistic director request I pair my cameras to his laptop - that is one way malicious code can be transferred if the user of the laptop in question is careless with security.

10-03-2019, 11:31 PM	#1884
rod_grant Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wangaratta, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,951	Originally posted by bxf Now that's something to complain about. What! Not in this area of the Forum, surely?!!!!

10-03-2019, 11:41 PM - 3 Likes	#1885
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Zooland Not sure, unless you accidentally hit the button while looking into the viewfinder and it the pops and hits you on the face. No wishing to add fuel to this fire, but it would be possible for the sensor under the viewfinder to disable that function, in the hypothetical case that that is what the button does

10-03-2019, 11:51 PM - 1 Like	#1886
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Digitalis It is low on my list of concerns as well, however I have only seldom made use of Wi-Fi connectivity at home or at work. I had one artistic director request I pair my cameras to his laptop - that is one way malicious code can be transferred if the user of the laptop in question is careless with security. In theory, yes. Practically, very unlikely till now since the the code needs to target the victim. I can't imagine someone targeting Pentax DSLRs ruuning an obscure OS not even (AFAIK) available to end users. Now if Ricoh/Pentax transition to Android, that may be a bit more concerning but frankly, all Canon, Nikon, Panasonic and Sony users will be hell of better targets than us.

10-03-2019, 11:53 PM - 1 Like	#1887
ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	Originally posted by ffking No wishing to add fuel to this fire, but it would be possible for the sensor under the viewfinder to disable that function, in the hypothetical case that that is what the button does I actually think a button to pop out the screen would be really elegant, especially if you're wearing gloves. It can actually be a bit of a pain on the KP currently.

10-04-2019, 12:02 AM	#1888
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by ZombieArmy I actually think a button to pop out the screen would be really elegant, especially if you're wearing gloves. It can actually be a bit of a pain on the KP currently. I'm certainly not against it -there is evidence that somethig is going on - there is a bigger gap between the glass and the surround than on my K-3, and that button is left unmarked for a reason - but there are problems too, as currently constituted, like the vulnerability of the screen to edge chipping if it were able to come clear of the body. The mechanism would also have the be very thin, and therefore vulnerable to damage - the K-3 screen is recessed from the RHS buttons whereas the K-1 screen protrudes behind them - no dangling the camera from this one, if it were to exist, I suspect,

10-04-2019, 01:14 AM - 1 Like	#1890
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ffking I'm certainly not against it -there is evidence that somethig is going on - there is a bigger gap between the glass and the surround than on my K-3, and that button is left unmarked for a reason - but there are problems too, as currently constituted, like the vulnerability of the screen to edge chipping if it were able to come clear of the body. The mechanism would also have the be very thin, and therefore vulnerable to damage - the K-3 screen is recessed from the RHS buttons whereas the K-1 screen protrudes behind them - no dangling the camera from this one, if it were to exist, I suspect, Sigh... I give up. I'll start looking for the hidden "pop out LCD" on my GR III, because it has the same screen.