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reh321 · 09-24-2019, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Pentax KP?

Steve

no GPS.

**luftfluss** · 09-24-2019, 11:30 AM

According to the DPR "Camera Feature Search" there are only a handful of ILC's that have both a GPS and flash... and all of those cameras are at least 5 years old. Interesting.

**acoufap** · 09-24-2019, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by zapp

So, who is buying a KP right now?
The new camera will show up soon or kill KP sales.

For a long time since K5 the new camera looks like it has new Features not just incremental improvements.

I’d say the KP and this new camera are very different. They will show different strengths and I guess the new one will cost some dollars more. So, room enough for different fans and their priorities - my 2cts.

reh321 · 09-24-2019, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by zapp

So, who is buying a KP right now?
The new camera will show up soon or kill KP sales.

For a long time since K5 the new camera looks like it has new Features not just incremental improvements.

The KP is enough for some of us - why would we pay the extra cost of this new camera?

slartibartfast01 · 09-24-2019, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by zapp

So, who is buying a KP right now?

The new camera will show up soon or kill KP sales.

For a long time since K5 the new camera looks like it has new Features not just incremental improvements.

Anyone who wants a movable screen and a built in flash.

Class A · 09-24-2019, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

I'd say asahi man is making a reference to the two 24x36 cameras currently in development,

Now we are talking!

I'd buy an improvement on the K-1 in a heartbeat. Not that the K-1 isn't fantastic, it is. I'd just buy the next FF flagship no matter what.
No mandatory "accelerator", though, please!

Originally posted by Mistral75

a mock-up of which Ricoh Imaging could showcase in the near future, he thinks.

Yes, please!

stevebrot · 09-24-2019, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by reh321

no GPS.

So it is...my mistake. For some reason I thought that the KP had the feature.

Steve

stevebrot · 09-24-2019, 12:13 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

The KP is enough for some of us - why would we pay the extra cost of this new camera?

My thoughts are that anyone who bought a KP and is happy with it would be just as happy staying with their purchase. The KP is a very nice camera.

Steve

reh321 · 09-24-2019, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

My thoughts are that anyone who bought a KP and is happy with it would be just as happy staying with their purchase. The KP is a very nice camera.

Steve

Yes, the KP is an idiosyncratic camera - you either love what it has or miss what it doesn't have; my understanding is that the new camera (*) is for those in the latter group.

(*) interesting how quickly I moved from "K-3ii replacement" to "new camera"

**ramseybuckeye** · 09-24-2019, 12:56 PM

I’m not quite convinced that the screen isn’t flippy because of the little indentation below the lower right corner of the screen. It looks to me like an access point to pull out the screen, a thinner version than the KP. After having a KP I can’t imagine Pentax designing a camera without it. It would be like having a camera without a viewfinder, oh wait, they did that. I’m sure there will be some pleasant surprises, but they could give these away for free and some people won’t be happy. I believe with each new camera they try to attract new customers while still filling the niche they have.

Mistral75 · 09-24-2019, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Class A

(...)
No mandatory "accelerator", though, please!

(...)

Can't make any promise on this one.

MMVIII · 09-24-2019, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

My thoughts are that anyone who bought a KP and is happy with it would be just as happy staying with their purchase. The KP is a very nice camera.

Steve

I agree. For me it is all I need at the moment and the new camera won't make it in my personal camera bag, despite its unquestioned qualities. If one wish would be allowed for a new iteration of the KP, sometime in the future, it would be to still give it GNSS/GPS. For my purposes this (beside the obvious new sensor and maybe touchscreen) would keep it the layd back small travel camera attribute, and there I would love to see the possibilitiy to geolocate the images as a documentation.
However, the new one K3 style was long awaited and I'm sure many will find a lot of the new features it will bring to the table very useful and attractive.

**monochrome** · 09-24-2019, 01:38 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

My thoughts are that anyone who bought a KP and is happy with it would be just as happy staying with their purchase. The KP is a very nice camera.

Steve

Yes, the KP is an excellent camera for generalist and even some specialist uses. The low light performance is frankly outstanding. Taken with a K-1 there is absolutely nothing I cannot shoot that I want to shoot.

We’ll see what I do when then K-1 replacement(s) come(s) around.

Of course if one of the 24x36 cameras under development is a FF KP that will put an interesting spin on everything.

**monochrome** · 09-24-2019, 01:42 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Class A

No mandatory "accelerator", though, please!

Originally posted by Mistral75

Can't make any promise on this one.

I believe - that is, it is my opinion, backed by several users of the K-1ll who also have a K-1, that the supposed loss of detail from the Accelerator is essentially academic; that there is a mathematically assertable potential loss of detail but any actual loss of detail is essentially not discernible.

**FozzFoster** · 09-24-2019, 01:46 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

but any actual loss of detail is essentially not discernible.

"better low light performance? how dare they!?" :P
haha yep I've heard the same. Very, very little detection of loss detail paired with delectably less noise.. I can't wait to use the accelerator!

09-24-2019, 01:38 PM - 1 Like	#973
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by stevebrot My thoughts are that anyone who bought a KP and is happy with it would be just as happy staying with their purchase. The KP is a very nice camera. Steve Yes, the KP is an excellent camera for generalist and even some specialist uses. The low light performance is frankly outstanding. Taken with a K-1 there is absolutely nothing I cannot shoot that I want to shoot. We’ll see what I do when then K-1 replacement(s) come(s) around. Of course if one of the 24x36 cameras under development is a FF KP that will put an interesting spin on everything. Last edited by monochrome; 09-24-2019 at 01:46 PM.

09-24-2019, 01:42 PM - 3 Likes	#974
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Class A No mandatory "accelerator", though, please! Originally posted by Mistral75 Can't make any promise on this one. I believe - that is, it is my opinion, backed by several users of the K-1ll who also have a K-1, that the supposed loss of detail from the Accelerator is essentially academic; that there is a mathematically assertable potential loss of detail but any actual loss of detail is essentially not discernible. Last edited by monochrome; 09-24-2019 at 01:50 PM.

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09-24-2019, 11:21 AM	#961
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,187	Originally posted by stevebrot Pentax KP? Steve no GPS.

09-24-2019, 11:30 AM	#962
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,629	According to the DPR "Camera Feature Search" there are only a handful of ILC's that have both a GPS and flash... and all of those cameras are at least 5 years old. Interesting.

09-24-2019, 11:31 AM	#963
acoufap Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Munich, Germany Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,191	Originally posted by zapp So, who is buying a KP right now? The new camera will show up soon or kill KP sales. For a long time since K5 the new camera looks like it has new Features not just incremental improvements. I’d say the KP and this new camera are very different. They will show different strengths and I guess the new one will cost some dollars more. So, room enough for different fans and their priorities - my 2cts.

09-24-2019, 11:41 AM	#964
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,187	Originally posted by zapp So, who is buying a KP right now? The new camera will show up soon or kill KP sales. For a long time since K5 the new camera looks like it has new Features not just incremental improvements. The KP is enough for some of us - why would we pay the extra cost of this new camera?

09-24-2019, 11:44 AM	#965
slartibartfast01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,931	Originally posted by zapp So, who is buying a KP right now? The new camera will show up soon or kill KP sales. For a long time since K5 the new camera looks like it has new Features not just incremental improvements. Anyone who wants a movable screen and a built in flash.

09-24-2019, 12:05 PM	#966
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251 Original Poster	Originally posted by Mistral75 I'd say asahi man is making a reference to the two 24x36 cameras currently in development, Now we are talking! I'd buy an improvement on the K-1 in a heartbeat. Not that the K-1 isn't fantastic, it is. I'd just buy the next FF flagship no matter what. No mandatory "accelerator", though, please! Originally posted by Mistral75 a mock-up of which Ricoh Imaging could showcase in the near future, he thinks. Yes, please!

09-24-2019, 12:08 PM	#967
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by reh321 no GPS. So it is...my mistake. For some reason I thought that the KP had the feature. Steve

09-24-2019, 12:13 PM - 1 Like	#968
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by reh321 The KP is enough for some of us - why would we pay the extra cost of this new camera? My thoughts are that anyone who bought a KP and is happy with it would be just as happy staying with their purchase. The KP is a very nice camera. Steve

09-24-2019, 12:21 PM	#969
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,187	Originally posted by stevebrot My thoughts are that anyone who bought a KP and is happy with it would be just as happy staying with their purchase. The KP is a very nice camera. Steve Yes, the KP is an idiosyncratic camera - you either love what it has or miss what it doesn't have; my understanding is that the new camera () is for those in the latter group. () interesting how quickly I moved from "K-3ii replacement" to "new camera"

09-24-2019, 12:56 PM	#970
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,296	I’m not quite convinced that the screen isn’t flippy because of the little indentation below the lower right corner of the screen. It looks to me like an access point to pull out the screen, a thinner version than the KP. After having a KP I can’t imagine Pentax designing a camera without it. It would be like having a camera without a viewfinder, oh wait, they did that. I’m sure there will be some pleasant surprises, but they could give these away for free and some people won’t be happy. I believe with each new camera they try to attract new customers while still filling the niche they have.

09-24-2019, 01:30 PM	#971
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Class A (...) No mandatory "accelerator", though, please! (...) Can't make any promise on this one.

09-24-2019, 01:36 PM	#972
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by stevebrot My thoughts are that anyone who bought a KP and is happy with it would be just as happy staying with their purchase. The KP is a very nice camera. Steve I agree. For me it is all I need at the moment and the new camera won't make it in my personal camera bag, despite its unquestioned qualities. If one wish would be allowed for a new iteration of the KP, sometime in the future, it would be to still give it GNSS/GPS. For my purposes this (beside the obvious new sensor and maybe touchscreen) would keep it the layd back small travel camera attribute, and there I would love to see the possibilitiy to geolocate the images as a documentation. However, the new one K3 style was long awaited and I'm sure many will find a lot of the new features it will bring to the table very useful and attractive.

09-24-2019, 01:46 PM - 1 Like	#975
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Originally posted by monochrome but any actual loss of detail is essentially not discernible. "better low light performance? how dare they!?" :P haha yep I've heard the same. Very, very little detection of loss detail paired with delectably less noise.. I can't wait to use the accelerator!

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