New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited

**monochrome** · 09-30-2019, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Digitalis

The AF frame in that picture is off center and that degree of asymmetry is incredibly vexing to me.

Additional twist: Pentax moves the linear sensors on the edges of the AF frame even closer to the edge, thus making them completely useless.

I wonder how many camera bodies (all formats) Ricoh would need to sell to amortize the cost of whatever AF sensor is supposedly hiding under that mirror?

impossibro · 09-30-2019, 06:06 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Digitalis

The AF frame in that picture is off center and that degree of asymmetry is incredibly vexing to me.

that's probably credit to my (not) amazing image editing skills

..and now I can't unsee the asymmetry as well.

reh321 · 09-30-2019, 06:34 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by impossibro

Plot twist: Ricoh bamboozles us all and just gives us the K-1's SAFOX 12 unit in the new apsc body. It technically does cover more of the the apsc frame than SAFOX 11.

Regardless of what twists you make up, the KP and the K-1ii have AF which is better than what K-3ii had, so AF in this new camera is bound to be better than what it replaces.

**mlt** · 09-30-2019, 06:58 PM

Will the next showings release more hints as to what is currently hidden? If Ricoh is not going to the Paris Salon, will there be another unveiling around the end of November?

**Mikesul** · 09-30-2019, 07:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mlt

Will the next showings release more hints as to what is currently hidden? If Ricoh is not going to the Paris Salon, will there be another unveiling around the end of November?

Probably on the actual anniversary event.

**Digitalis** · 09-30-2019, 07:22 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

I wonder how many camera bodies (all formats) Ricoh would need to sell to amortize the cost of whatever AF sensor is supposedly hiding under that mirror?

Personally doubt the R&D/production costs were considerably more than producing any of their older sensors, In a characteristic move Pentax made a stepwise improvement in the AF module it isn't a drastic departure from previous designs, It is merely a refinement.

**PJ1** · 09-30-2019, 07:25 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Mikesul

Probably on the actual anniversary event.

This would be logical. The anniversary event has to go another step further. The new body will be WR of course. But it is also surprisingly leak proof!

**Mikesul** · 09-30-2019, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by PJ1

leak proof!

Ouch!

stillshot2 · 09-30-2019, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Regardless of what twists you make up, the KP and the K-1ii have AF which is better than what K-3ii had, so AF in this new camera is bound to be better than what it replaces.

And I have been satisfied with my K-3 so 5-10 years down the road this camera will be adequate to keep my K mount lenses going if my K-3 decides to quit!

ZombieArmy · 09-30-2019, 09:27 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by impossibro

Plot twist: Ricoh bamboozles us all and just gives us the K-1's SAFOX 12 unit in the new apsc body. It technically does cover more of the the apsc frame than SAFOX 11.

I could see them just using the AF on the KP. It's extremely good.

**Serkevan** · 09-30-2019, 11:03 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by luftfluss

It will be interesting, as the new Canon 90D has the highest praise ever for a Canon APS-C sensor from DPReview. "Excellent Raw image quality, both detail capture and dynamic range are up there with the best APS-C" they say. However, DPR seemed underwhelmed by the rest of the camera and didn't even give it a Gold/Silver/Bronze rating.

DPR's pro/con lists for any non-MILC products read like "great pictures, amazing camera, but this 1200€ model doesn't have the fps of a 10000€ pro camera so it gets no awards"

Ricoh truly needs to put the bottle opener under the K-2020. I am betting that's the reason they pixelated the bottom.

**alfa75ts** · 09-30-2019, 11:08 PM - **2 Likes**

It just occurred to me to wonder how long it takes to produce menus and more importantly manuals in 20 languages?

garywakeling · 09-30-2019, 11:22 PM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by ffking

It takes a special type of person to buy Pentax these days - well, one of several types: you either have to be heavily invested in the system and of limited funds or be somebody who just loves the way Pentax do things or just plain individualistic and perverse but also you have to be someone who is willing to take the sneers and explain your reasons, ignore the fact that fewer and fewer 'influencers' even mention the existence of Pentax and many of those who do only do so in a derogatory way ignore the fact that they all say that MILCs are the future and DSLRs are dinosaurs and a hundred and one little disparagements. Personally, I'm proud to be part of a community with many such people here, but I also fear that they are going to have to pull something special out of the hat to bring new buyers on board -there are just too many reasons to buy other brands and too much pressure not to buy Pentax.

I agree, I am heavily invested in Pentax as well as a little perverse. Video performance has always escaped me as being anything more useful than my iphone, the reason I purchase a camera has and always will be to make photographs. Pentax plays to that strength and has always gone it's own way with marketing and product development. I still have and use my LX cameras, a model that did everything I needed and lasted in production for decades. The advent of digital sensors instead of film has shortened the product replacement cycle. Again Pentax followed it's own path with the motherboard upgrade to convert the K1 to the K1ii, there is nothing wrong with the ergonomics of the camera body so why not add new electronics in the same body, odd, but typical pentax. This new camera in development looks like it will add to the K7 5 3 lineage with a camera with improved ergonomics and the joystick function, however it turns out, I can reasonable predict that the quality of photographs capable of being produced by the camera will exceed my ability as a photographer, I look forward to purchasing it and enjoying my photography into the future

redpit · 09-30-2019, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by alfa75ts

It just occurred to me to wonder how long it takes to produce menus and more importantly manuals in 20 languages?

And what the AF function sector will include and describe! It seems a new module with new possibilities, not to mention the joystick! Sure they have a lot of work to do!

**Serkevan** · 09-30-2019, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by garywakeling

, I can reasonable predict that the quality of photographs capable of being produced by the camera will exceed my ability as a photographer.

I know that 90% of the time my K-7 did not get good pictures it was operator error, and the remaining 10% was... operator error by insisting the camera work better in low light

Main reason I got the K-1 was the low light capabilities and giving a proper home to all those beautiful venerable lenses.

I was very close to deciding on a KP (plus starting to buy the DA Ltds) but with prices within 150€ of each other the K-1 won out.

09-30-2019, 06:58 PM	#1399
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	More twists to come Will the next showings release more hints as to what is currently hidden? If Ricoh is not going to the Paris Salon, will there be another unveiling around the end of November?

09-30-2019, 11:22 PM - 5 Likes	#1408
garywakeling Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,759	perverse me Originally posted by ffking It takes a special type of person to buy Pentax these days - well, one of several types: you either have to be heavily invested in the system and of limited funds or be somebody who just loves the way Pentax do things or just plain individualistic and perverse but also you have to be someone who is willing to take the sneers and explain your reasons, ignore the fact that fewer and fewer 'influencers' even mention the existence of Pentax and many of those who do only do so in a derogatory way ignore the fact that they all say that MILCs are the future and DSLRs are dinosaurs and a hundred and one little disparagements. Personally, I'm proud to be part of a community with many such people here, but I also fear that they are going to have to pull something special out of the hat to bring new buyers on board -there are just too many reasons to buy other brands and too much pressure not to buy Pentax. I agree, I am heavily invested in Pentax as well as a little perverse. Video performance has always escaped me as being anything more useful than my iphone, the reason I purchase a camera has and always will be to make photographs. Pentax plays to that strength and has always gone it's own way with marketing and product development. I still have and use my LX cameras, a model that did everything I needed and lasted in production for decades. The advent of digital sensors instead of film has shortened the product replacement cycle. Again Pentax followed it's own path with the motherboard upgrade to convert the K1 to the K1ii, there is nothing wrong with the ergonomics of the camera body so why not add new electronics in the same body, odd, but typical pentax. This new camera in development looks like it will add to the K7 5 3 lineage with a camera with improved ergonomics and the joystick function, however it turns out, I can reasonable predict that the quality of photographs capable of being produced by the camera will exceed my ability as a photographer, I look forward to purchasing it and enjoying my photography into the future

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09-30-2019, 06:03 PM	#1396
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Digitalis The AF frame in that picture is off center and that degree of asymmetry is incredibly vexing to me. Additional twist: Pentax moves the linear sensors on the edges of the AF frame even closer to the edge, thus making them completely useless. I wonder how many camera bodies (all formats) Ricoh would need to sell to amortize the cost of whatever AF sensor is supposedly hiding under that mirror?

09-30-2019, 06:06 PM - 2 Likes	#1397
impossibro Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 66	Originally posted by Digitalis The AF frame in that picture is off center and that degree of asymmetry is incredibly vexing to me. that's probably credit to my (not) amazing image editing skills ..and now I can't unsee the asymmetry as well.

09-30-2019, 06:34 PM - 1 Like	#1398
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,178	Originally posted by impossibro Plot twist: Ricoh bamboozles us all and just gives us the K-1's SAFOX 12 unit in the new apsc body. It technically does cover more of the the apsc frame than SAFOX 11. Regardless of what twists you make up, the KP and the K-1ii have AF which is better than what K-3ii had, so AF in this new camera is bound to be better than what it replaces.

09-30-2019, 07:00 PM - 1 Like	#1400
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by mlt Will the next showings release more hints as to what is currently hidden? If Ricoh is not going to the Paris Salon, will there be another unveiling around the end of November? Probably on the actual anniversary event.

09-30-2019, 07:22 PM - 1 Like	#1401
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by monochrome I wonder how many camera bodies (all formats) Ricoh would need to sell to amortize the cost of whatever AF sensor is supposedly hiding under that mirror? Personally doubt the R&D/production costs were considerably more than producing any of their older sensors, In a characteristic move Pentax made a stepwise improvement in the AF module it isn't a drastic departure from previous designs, It is merely a refinement.

09-30-2019, 07:25 PM - 3 Likes	#1402
PJ1 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toowoomba, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,484	Originally posted by Mikesul Probably on the actual anniversary event. This would be logical. The anniversary event has to go another step further. The new body will be WR of course. But it is also surprisingly leak proof!

09-30-2019, 07:26 PM	#1403
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by PJ1 leak proof! Ouch!

09-30-2019, 09:21 PM	#1404
stillshot2 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Phoenix, AZ Photos: Albums Posts: 1,070	Originally posted by reh321 Regardless of what twists you make up, the KP and the K-1ii have AF which is better than what K-3ii had, so AF in this new camera is bound to be better than what it replaces. And I have been satisfied with my K-3 so 5-10 years down the road this camera will be adequate to keep my K mount lenses going if my K-3 decides to quit!

09-30-2019, 09:27 PM - 1 Like	#1405
ZombieArmy Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 3,210	Originally posted by impossibro Plot twist: Ricoh bamboozles us all and just gives us the K-1's SAFOX 12 unit in the new apsc body. It technically does cover more of the the apsc frame than SAFOX 11. I could see them just using the AF on the KP. It's extremely good.

09-30-2019, 11:03 PM - 3 Likes	#1406
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by luftfluss It will be interesting, as the new Canon 90D has the highest praise ever for a Canon APS-C sensor from DPReview. "Excellent Raw image quality, both detail capture and dynamic range are up there with the best APS-C" they say. However, DPR seemed underwhelmed by the rest of the camera and didn't even give it a Gold/Silver/Bronze rating. DPR's pro/con lists for any non-MILC products read like "great pictures, amazing camera, but this 1200€ model doesn't have the fps of a 10000€ pro camera so it gets no awards" Ricoh truly needs to put the bottle opener under the K-2020. I am betting that's the reason they pixelated the bottom.

09-30-2019, 11:08 PM - 2 Likes	#1407
alfa75ts Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,356	It just occurred to me to wonder how long it takes to produce menus and more importantly manuals in 20 languages?

09-30-2019, 11:26 PM	#1409
redpit Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Greece Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	Originally posted by alfa75ts It just occurred to me to wonder how long it takes to produce menus and more importantly manuals in 20 languages? And what the AF function sector will include and describe! It seems a new module with new possibilities, not to mention the joystick! Sure they have a lot of work to do!

09-30-2019, 11:52 PM	#1410
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by garywakeling , I can reasonable predict that the quality of photographs capable of being produced by the camera will exceed my ability as a photographer. I know that 90% of the time my K-7 did not get good pictures it was operator error, and the remaining 10% was... operator error by insisting the camera work better in low light Main reason I got the K-1 was the low light capabilities and giving a proper home to all those beautiful venerable lenses. I was very close to deciding on a KP (plus starting to buy the DA Ltds) but with prices within 150€ of each other the K-1 won out.