New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited

dan.a.nesheim · 10-01-2019, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

PREDICTION: The K-2 will not have a flippy screen but the K-2II will............ Marketing 101 at work.

That would actually be a really nice option to have.

morenjavi · 10-01-2019, 08:18 AM - **1 Like**

It amazing the size of this thread.
I think there is a lot of genuine interest in this camera. On the other side, a new camera is a sign of 'good health' for the Ricoh/Pentax company.
Some days ago I was thinking in a substitute for my K5, and 'I confess' I was looking at some other (amazing) camera brands here and there. The fuji XT-3 focus system blew my mind. Face/eye detection is amazing, but just the basic tracking system feels so superior to present Pentax focus system (I have the K3-II, not comparable). The joystick on the new camera looks promising, and I hope Pentax developed a focus system on par with other brands.
About how many MPx, if the rumours are true, 26 is more than enough for my needs. More Mpx can be a problem in edition (slower), and the 24Mpx from my K3-II are more than I need. I'd prefer a bit jump in picture quality rather than a jump in Mpx.
I hope the new camera be available soon.

solitudebound · 10-01-2019, 08:33 AM

It does looks like they are attempting to make a more sporty looking K-1 out of this new aps-c offering. Throw in some fire truck red along with some some titanium gold colour and voila, iron man camera.
Just kidding.

Could even replace the Nikon D6 i am considering although my expectations are not much passed the K-3 but here's too hoping.

thibs · 10-01-2019, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

True, as in both things happening?
I don't think so; where are the multitude of reports? How about the claims to the contrary, including manufacturer's, about disabling OIS/VR for better performance?

We dunno exactly how Nikon bodies behave (what Soc does what) so concluding anything would be far fetched.
There may be an influence between VR and AF. There probably isn't.
I wouldn't despise the idea though...

Kunzite · 10-01-2019, 09:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by thibs

I wouldn't despise the idea though...

I'm far from despising the idea of Pentax using in-lens SR (a technology available to them) in their longer lenses, or even combining in-lens with in-body SR.
But the fact is, Pentax is behind in AF (tracking) not because they lack in-lens SR; but because of their AF module and available processing power. This means they will be able to improve a lot with or without going in-lens SR.

**Photos-by-Chas** · 10-01-2019, 09:33 AM - **1 Like**

Interesting new camera. Wondering if this will be considered a mid level or a professional level model.

**monochrome** · 10-01-2019, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'm far from despising the idea of Pentax using in-lens SR (a technology available to them) in their longer lenses, or even combining in-lens with in-body SR.
But the fact is, Pentax is behind in AF (tracking) not because they lack in-lens SR; but because of their AF module and available processing power. This means they will be able to improve a lot with or without going in-lens SR.

To dramatically improve AF Pentax would need to pretty much rethink their entire processing architecture, then build a camera with fundamentally faster and deeper components. That would be a revolution. By their own words this is an evolution.

I’m lowering my expectations. Better, but not groundbreaking. Satisfactory. Not a Grand Prix camera. Not a K10D or 645D. I won’t be disappointed and hope I am surprised.

reh321 · 10-01-2019, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Photos-by-Chas

Interesting new camera. Wondering if this will be considered a mid level or a professional level model.

It is a "K-3ii replacement".
How did you classify the K-7/5/3 line??

**WillWeaverRVA** · 10-01-2019, 09:58 AM - **1 Like**

I just hope the burst speed is faster than 8.3 fps. Something closer to 10 fps would be ideal.

Kunzite · 10-01-2019, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

To dramatically improve AF Pentax would need to pretty much rethink their entire processing architecture, then build a camera with fundamentally faster and deeper components. That would be a revolution. By their own words this is an evolution.

I’m lowering my expectations. Better, but not groundbreaking. Satisfactory. Not a Grand Prix camera. Not a K10D or 645D. I won’t be disappointed and hope I am surprised.

I won't even try to estimate what can be done - I suspect I'd need some 6 months with Pentax engineers babysitting and explaining to me how it all works. But I'd guess significant progress can be made. A new sensor module, faster or even a dedicated processor, improved algorithms; it's not rocket science but computer science and engineering.
Revolution? I never said that. Maybe, in the limited sense of improving the camera's performance way beyond any current Pentax. Beating the competition's best? I don't expect that either.

MikeyBugs95 · 10-01-2019, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'm far from despising the idea of Pentax using in-lens SR (a technology available to them) in their longer lenses, or even combining in-lens with in-body SR.
But the fact is, Pentax is behind in AF (tracking) not because they lack in-lens SR; but because of their AF module and available processing power. This means they will be able to improve a lot with or without going in-lens SR.

I honestly would like to have some lenses with in-lens SR. I have the OS Bigma and I find it to be very helpful tracking aircraft or birds and what not. With the 180mm 3.5 macro I have, I find it difficult to keep the focus point on what I'm trying to focus on when not using a tripod at near 1:1 (like when trying to photograph bugs on a fig plant where a tripod is unwieldy and cumbersome, for example). I feel that in-lens SR might help with that. I'd personally love for Ricoh to make a new run 200mm f4 macro and maybe implement some ILIS into it. It'd be nice if they would license the 180mm f2.8 macro from Sigma.

But I'm perfectly fine with no in-lens SR as well.

**Belnan** · 10-01-2019, 10:34 AM - **1 Like**

Im excited that Ricoh is releasing a new high end dslr. My only concern is that Ricoh doesnt want its own products competing with each other. If you need a flippy screen this one isnt for you.

reh321 · 10-01-2019, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by MikeyBugs95

I honestly would like to have some lenses with in-lens SR. I have the OS Bigma and I find it to be very helpful tracking aircraft or birds and what not. With the 180mm 3.5 macro I have, I find it difficult to keep the focus point on what I'm trying to focus on when not using a tripod at near 1:1 (like when trying to photograph bugs on a fig plant where a tripod is unwieldy and cumbersome, for example). I feel that in-lens SR might help with that. I'd personally love for Ricoh to make a new run 200mm f4 macro and maybe implement some ILIS into it. It'd be nice if they would license the 180mm f2.8 macro from Sigma.

But I'm perfectly fine with no in-lens SR as well.

With AF lenses, tripod doesn't help me at all to attain focus.
Even with manual focus, the most I ever use is a monopod.

stevebrot · 10-01-2019, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

A white label on the bottom with 'WS' written on it, what do you think it is?

"SM" for ........... (Fill in blanks)?

Steve

stevebrot · 10-01-2019, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Photos-by-Chas

Interesting new camera. Wondering if this will be considered a mid level or a professional level model.

The key word is "flagship", which generally means a "halo" model that demonstrates the state of art for the maker.

Steve

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10-01-2019, 08:18 AM	#1456
dan.a.nesheim Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Photos: Gallery Posts: 167	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd PREDICTION: The K-2 will not have a flippy screen but the K-2II will............ Marketing 101 at work. That would actually be a really nice option to have.

10-01-2019, 08:18 AM - 1 Like	#1457
morenjavi Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 589	It amazing the size of this thread. I think there is a lot of genuine interest in this camera. On the other side, a new camera is a sign of 'good health' for the Ricoh/Pentax company. Some days ago I was thinking in a substitute for my K5, and 'I confess' I was looking at some other (amazing) camera brands here and there. The fuji XT-3 focus system blew my mind. Face/eye detection is amazing, but just the basic tracking system feels so superior to present Pentax focus system (I have the K3-II, not comparable). The joystick on the new camera looks promising, and I hope Pentax developed a focus system on par with other brands. About how many MPx, if the rumours are true, 26 is more than enough for my needs. More Mpx can be a problem in edition (slower), and the 24Mpx from my K3-II are more than I need. I'd prefer a bit jump in picture quality rather than a jump in Mpx. I hope the new camera be available soon.

10-01-2019, 08:33 AM	#1458
solitudebound Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 140	It does looks like they are attempting to make a more sporty looking K-1 out of this new aps-c offering. Throw in some fire truck red along with some some titanium gold colour and voila, iron man camera. Just kidding. Could even replace the Nikon D6 i am considering although my expectations are not much passed the K-3 but here's too hoping.

10-01-2019, 09:13 AM	#1459
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Kunzite True, as in both things happening? I don't think so; where are the multitude of reports? How about the claims to the contrary, including manufacturer's, about disabling OIS/VR for better performance? We dunno exactly how Nikon bodies behave (what Soc does what) so concluding anything would be far fetched. There may be an influence between VR and AF. There probably isn't. I wouldn't despise the idea though...

10-01-2019, 09:27 AM - 1 Like	#1460
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by thibs I wouldn't despise the idea though... I'm far from despising the idea of Pentax using in-lens SR (a technology available to them) in their longer lenses, or even combining in-lens with in-body SR. But the fact is, Pentax is behind in AF (tracking) not because they lack in-lens SR; but because of their AF module and available processing power. This means they will be able to improve a lot with or without going in-lens SR.

10-01-2019, 09:33 AM - 1 Like	#1461
Photos-by-Chas Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Northwest Pennsylvania, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,318	Interesting new camera. Wondering if this will be considered a mid level or a professional level model.

10-01-2019, 09:39 AM	#1462
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Kunzite I'm far from despising the idea of Pentax using in-lens SR (a technology available to them) in their longer lenses, or even combining in-lens with in-body SR. But the fact is, Pentax is behind in AF (tracking) not because they lack in-lens SR; but because of their AF module and available processing power. This means they will be able to improve a lot with or without going in-lens SR. To dramatically improve AF Pentax would need to pretty much rethink their entire processing architecture, then build a camera with fundamentally faster and deeper components. That would be a revolution. By their own words this is an evolution. I’m lowering my expectations. Better, but not groundbreaking. Satisfactory. Not a Grand Prix camera. Not a K10D or 645D. I won’t be disappointed and hope I am surprised.

10-01-2019, 09:49 AM	#1463
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Photos-by-Chas Interesting new camera. Wondering if this will be considered a mid level or a professional level model. It is a "K-3ii replacement". How did you classify the K-7/5/3 line??

10-01-2019, 09:58 AM - 1 Like	#1464
WillWeaverRVA Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Richmond, VA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,071	I just hope the burst speed is faster than 8.3 fps. Something closer to 10 fps would be ideal.

10-01-2019, 10:18 AM	#1465
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by monochrome To dramatically improve AF Pentax would need to pretty much rethink their entire processing architecture, then build a camera with fundamentally faster and deeper components. That would be a revolution. By their own words this is an evolution. I’m lowering my expectations. Better, but not groundbreaking. Satisfactory. Not a Grand Prix camera. Not a K10D or 645D. I won’t be disappointed and hope I am surprised. I won't even try to estimate what can be done - I suspect I'd need some 6 months with Pentax engineers babysitting and explaining to me how it all works. But I'd guess significant progress can be made. A new sensor module, faster or even a dedicated processor, improved algorithms; it's not rocket science but computer science and engineering. Revolution? I never said that. Maybe, in the limited sense of improving the camera's performance way beyond any current Pentax. Beating the competition's best? I don't expect that either.

10-01-2019, 10:33 AM	#1466
MikeyBugs95 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,206	Originally posted by Kunzite I'm far from despising the idea of Pentax using in-lens SR (a technology available to them) in their longer lenses, or even combining in-lens with in-body SR. But the fact is, Pentax is behind in AF (tracking) not because they lack in-lens SR; but because of their AF module and available processing power. This means they will be able to improve a lot with or without going in-lens SR. I honestly would like to have some lenses with in-lens SR. I have the OS Bigma and I find it to be very helpful tracking aircraft or birds and what not. With the 180mm 3.5 macro I have, I find it difficult to keep the focus point on what I'm trying to focus on when not using a tripod at near 1:1 (like when trying to photograph bugs on a fig plant where a tripod is unwieldy and cumbersome, for example). I feel that in-lens SR might help with that. I'd personally love for Ricoh to make a new run 200mm f4 macro and maybe implement some ILIS into it. It'd be nice if they would license the 180mm f2.8 macro from Sigma. But I'm perfectly fine with no in-lens SR as well.

10-01-2019, 10:34 AM - 1 Like	#1467
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Im excited that Ricoh is releasing a new high end dslr. My only concern is that Ricoh doesnt want its own products competing with each other. If you need a flippy screen this one isnt for you.

10-01-2019, 10:37 AM	#1468
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by MikeyBugs95 I honestly would like to have some lenses with in-lens SR. I have the OS Bigma and I find it to be very helpful tracking aircraft or birds and what not. With the 180mm 3.5 macro I have, I find it difficult to keep the focus point on what I'm trying to focus on when not using a tripod at near 1:1 (like when trying to photograph bugs on a fig plant where a tripod is unwieldy and cumbersome, for example). I feel that in-lens SR might help with that. I'd personally love for Ricoh to make a new run 200mm f4 macro and maybe implement some ILIS into it. It'd be nice if they would license the 180mm f2.8 macro from Sigma. But I'm perfectly fine with no in-lens SR as well. With AF lenses, tripod doesn't help me at all to attain focus. Even with manual focus, the most I ever use is a monopod.

10-01-2019, 11:10 AM	#1469
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Mistral75 A white label on the bottom with 'WS' written on it, what do you think it is? "SM" for ........... (Fill in blanks)? Steve

10-01-2019, 11:13 AM	#1470
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Photos-by-Chas Interesting new camera. Wondering if this will be considered a mid level or a professional level model. The key word is "flagship", which generally means a "halo" model that demonstrates the state of art for the maker. Steve