New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited

reh321 · 10-10-2019, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by Profligatographer

My original post on this forum topic (the coming new K-3 something) was simply to offer my personal perspective on the matter. Then a 'moderator' disallowed the link I'd included to give readers an idea of where I 'come from' because I might be just promoting my site—which is silly because I only get about 20 visitors a month at most, and I don't 'monetize' what I do in any way.

Then readers chime in to tell me why 'I am wrong'. Not to worry—I am not about to change what I've learned from over 60 years of immersion in photography.

I am happy where I am.

Yerz,
Profligatographer

Thank you for your information.

And being partway there - why don't you post a few more times, so you can be eligible for one of the drawings?!

TheoRK · 10-10-2019, 08:02 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clickclick

Thanks for all the input on possible ways the joystick may be implemented. It looks like an attractive feature.

Anyone thought about the possibility to play Pong or Snake on the Screen while waiting for an event to happen or object to be visible in perfect light?

deus ursus · 10-10-2019, 08:03 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by TheoRK

Anyone thought about the possibility to play Pong or Snake on the Screen while waiting for an event to happen or object to be visible in perfect light?

That's the name of the camera! Pentax Pong!

Andrea K · 10-10-2019, 08:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Riggomatic

The joystick is actually used in conjunction with live view.

After placing the dial in the LV position, the back lcd unlocks, and the pan and tilt of the LCD screen can be adjusted using the joystick.

Similar to a cars side view mirrors.
This allows both hands to be on the camera at all times while maintaining optimal view of the back LCD when shooting from low angles.

you won!

bxf · 10-10-2019, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by beachgardener

I predict quite a scramble at the end of the month, will keep the Mods. busy

May be an opportunity to sneak in something that at other times would get you banned if noticed

repaap · 10-10-2019, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by MikeyBugs95

Nope. Not yet at least. I think the rumor originally came from PentaxRumors. I was just replying to reh's reply to Zooland about a rumor that Nikon and Pentax are sharing tech. The rumor was that Pentax got the D500 AF tech and Nikon got Pentax's IBIS tech. Still just an unsubstantiated rumor, like I said. But like ffking said, if another company wants something you have, and you want something that they have even if other companies have it, a technology trade is an effective means of gaining that tech. Especially when much of the rest of the competition already has similar technology that already comes close to your own. Canon and Sony don't need Nikon's AF tech, theirs is already sufficient enough. Pentax, meanwhile, might wants AF tech that Nikon has and Pentax has mature, competent IBIS tech that Nikon might want.

and people keep on bringin it up. Stop that, please! It is just the same when people are talking about those new DFA* lenses. Because pentax would not be able to produce something like that them selves. Well in that case there has been history of sharing patents, and there are rebadged tamron(who don’t have one done by them?).

That does not mean that this kind a stuff should be kept at here. Besides. That does not make any sense. As said before. That tech is allover now(SR). All of the sudden it is more important than stabilisation in lens. If Sony would not have gone there...they could have copied it from Pentax btw..

tvdtvdtvd · 10-10-2019, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by TheoRK

Anyone thought about the possibility to play Pong or Snake on the Screen while waiting for an event to happen or object to be visible in perfect light?

Well, I >was< going to make a Tetris joke in regards to the new joystick but I decided to hold off because there's already some
pushback on the s/n ratio due to the drawing. But since you've opened that door.......

I'm sure the joystick is there to assist/expedite AF point selection. It may secondarily be used for menu navigation. It could
even potentially be used for photo editing in camera.

MikeyBugs95 · 10-10-2019, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by repaap

...
It is just the same when people are talking about those new DFA* lenses. Because pentax would not be able to produce something like that them selves. Well in that case there has been history of sharing patents, and there are rebadged tamron(who don’t have one done by them?).

That does not mean that this kind a stuff should be kept at here. Besides. That does not make any sense. As said before. That tech is allover now(SR). All of the sudden it is more important than stabilisation in lens. If Sony would not have gone there...they could have copied it from Pentax btw..

Well I didn't say that Pentax couldn't make this AF tech themselves, and for all we know, they very well could have. We just don't know anything right now anyway. But to create AF tech that reaches the same or similar levels as the D500 would require significant investment. Potentially enough that it might price this camera out of market in order to recoup the R&D. It would be significantly less expensive to license a competitors tech that has already been proven to be a highly capable system.

True, SR tech is all over. But why reinvent the wheel when you can instead license the wheel and not spend as much of your R&D budget doing it? Besides, after you've gained the starting point, in this case it being a competent SR system, you can then take that system, add your own improvements and come out with a system that's potentially improved over and above the system that you received a license for.

repaap · 10-10-2019, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by MikeyBugs95

Well I didn't say that Pentax couldn't make this AF tech themselves, and for all we know, they very well could have. We just don't know anything right now anyway. But to create AF tech that reaches the same or similar levels as the D500 would require significant investment. Potentially enough that it might price this camera out of market in order to recoup the R&D. It would be significantly less expensive to license a competitors tech that has already been proven to be a highly capable system.

True, SR tech is all over. But why reinvent the wheel when you can instead license the wheel and not spend as much of your R&D budget doing it? Besides, after you've gained the starting point, in this case it being a competent SR system, you can then take that system, add your own improvements and come out with a system that's potentially improved over and above the system that you received a license for.

For the joy of inventing and creating. That would be reason for it. Say that we did what we said that we will do.

about that R&D, it will be put in next 3 generation of cameras, atleast. Anf to be honest, that thing needed some good renovation. They said that they have to begin from scratch.. 2 yrs ago. So here we are, and we are eager to learn if they managed to do it

(that would make it little a bit mean for saying that they did actually buy the licence..)

**lsimpkins** · 10-10-2019, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Archimedes the Dog

I doubt they will abandon the K branding though. I'm truly curious to see how they proceed!

They could start a new KA- series for the aps-c cameras where the first would be KA-1. Then the next FF would be the KF-1. Of course this does not allow for any indication of where in the hierarchy a specific model would fit (flagship vs. enthusiast vs. entry level). This could get complicated really quickly while I (we???) await the upcoming KAf-1.

**EricBT** · 10-10-2019, 02:59 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MikeyBugs95

Well I didn't say that Pentax couldn't make this AF tech themselves, and for all we know, they very well could have. We just don't know anything right now anyway. But to create AF tech that reaches the same or similar levels as the D500 would require significant investment. Potentially enough that it might price this camera out of market in order to recoup the R&D. It would be significantly less expensive to license a competitors tech that has already been proven to be a highly capable system.

True, SR tech is all over. But why reinvent the wheel when you can instead license the wheel and not spend as much of your R&D budget doing it? Besides, after you've gained the starting point, in this case it being a competent SR system, you can then take that system, add your own improvements and come out with a system that's potentially improved over and above the system that you received a license for.

While it's true that SR or IBIS is in other brands, it seems to be almost completely limited to mirrorless bodies. When Nikon announced it was going to have IBIS in it's upcoming DSLR at least one so-called Youtube expert, with a big following, stated that he didn't understand how that would be possible. This guy is a person who likes to make snide remarks about Pentax so it was most amusing to read the replies educating him about Pentax SR and how long it's been around.

Painter · 10-10-2019, 03:07 PM - **1 Like**

Thinking about the proximity sensor below the viewfinder and what it could be used for.
1) To start the AF system (like Minolta Maxxums once did)
2) To Blank the rear screen so as to not interfere with the viewfinder
3) To disable a touch sensitive rear LCD
4) To Switch between the rear LCD and a hybrid EVF when in Live View mode.

I’ve ranked them in the order of what I would wish for with 4 being the best. 1 and 2 would be a complete disappointment. 3 would be good but not a deal breaker. So my personal hope is for 4. I mean after all it looks like the return of the stovepipe from the K-01 if that isnt a hint from Ricoh then what is?

tvdtvdtvd · 10-10-2019, 03:10 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by EricBT

Youtube expert

21st century, definition #1 for 'oxymoron'.

**beachgardener** · 10-10-2019, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by bxf

sneak in something that at other times would get you banned if noticed

yes maybe, you know I've been reprimanded twice for silly minor things, and I don't usually go into those long drawn out discussions on nothing much at all

ryan63 · 10-10-2019, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Painter

Thinking about the proximity sensor below the viewfinder and what it could be used for.
1) To start the AF system (like Minolta Maxxums once did)
2) To Blank the rear screen so as to not interfere with the viewfinder
3) To disable a touch sensitive rear LCD
4) To Switch between the rear LCD and a hybrid EVF when in Live View mode.

I’ve ranked them in the order of what I would wish for with 4 being the best. 1 and 2 would be a complete disappointment. 3 would be good but not a deal breaker. So my personal hope is for 4. I mean after all it looks like the return of the stovepipe from the K-01 if that isnt a hint from Ricoh then what is?

Could be used to initiate EYE CONTROLLED FOCUS POINT SELECTION as per the Canon Eos5. (Original film version)
It was cool on that camera with only 5 points.
How cool would it be for dozens of points!

10-10-2019, 10:42 AM	#2511
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by MikeyBugs95 Nope. Not yet at least. I think the rumor originally came from PentaxRumors. I was just replying to reh's reply to Zooland about a rumor that Nikon and Pentax are sharing tech. The rumor was that Pentax got the D500 AF tech and Nikon got Pentax's IBIS tech. Still just an unsubstantiated rumor, like I said. But like ffking said, if another company wants something you have, and you want something that they have even if other companies have it, a technology trade is an effective means of gaining that tech. Especially when much of the rest of the competition already has similar technology that already comes close to your own. Canon and Sony don't need Nikon's AF tech, theirs is already sufficient enough. Pentax, meanwhile, might wants AF tech that Nikon has and Pentax has mature, competent IBIS tech that Nikon might want. and people keep on bringin it up. Stop that, please! It is just the same when people are talking about those new DFA* lenses. Because pentax would not be able to produce something like that them selves. Well in that case there has been history of sharing patents, and there are rebadged tamron(who don’t have one done by them?). That does not mean that this kind a stuff should be kept at here. Besides. That does not make any sense. As said before. That tech is allover now(SR). All of the sudden it is more important than stabilisation in lens. If Sony would not have gone there...they could have copied it from Pentax btw.. Last edited by repaap; 10-10-2019 at 11:09 AM. Reason: Forgot, please

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10-10-2019, 08:01 AM	#2506
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Profligatographer My original post on this forum topic (the coming new K-3 something) was simply to offer my personal perspective on the matter. Then a 'moderator' disallowed the link I'd included to give readers an idea of where I 'come from' because I might be just promoting my site—which is silly because I only get about 20 visitors a month at most, and I don't 'monetize' what I do in any way. Then readers chime in to tell me why 'I am wrong'. Not to worry—I am not about to change what I've learned from over 60 years of immersion in photography. I am happy where I am. Yerz, Profligatographer Thank you for your information. And being partway there - why don't you post a few more times, so you can be eligible for one of the drawings?!

10-10-2019, 08:02 AM - 1 Like	#2507
TheoRK New Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Photos: Albums Posts: 16	Originally posted by clickclick Thanks for all the input on possible ways the joystick may be implemented. It looks like an attractive feature. Anyone thought about the possibility to play Pong or Snake on the Screen while waiting for an event to happen or object to be visible in perfect light?

10-10-2019, 08:03 AM - 1 Like	#2508
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Originally posted by TheoRK Anyone thought about the possibility to play Pong or Snake on the Screen while waiting for an event to happen or object to be visible in perfect light? That's the name of the camera! Pentax Pong!

10-10-2019, 08:10 AM - 1 Like	#2509
Andrea K Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 822	Originally posted by Riggomatic The joystick is actually used in conjunction with live view. After placing the dial in the LV position, the back lcd unlocks, and the pan and tilt of the LCD screen can be adjusted using the joystick. Similar to a cars side view mirrors. This allows both hands to be on the camera at all times while maintaining optimal view of the back LCD when shooting from low angles. you won!

10-10-2019, 10:23 AM	#2510
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by beachgardener I predict quite a scramble at the end of the month, will keep the Mods. busy May be an opportunity to sneak in something that at other times would get you banned if noticed

10-10-2019, 11:29 AM	#2512
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by TheoRK Anyone thought about the possibility to play Pong or Snake on the Screen while waiting for an event to happen or object to be visible in perfect light? Well, I >was< going to make a Tetris joke in regards to the new joystick but I decided to hold off because there's already some pushback on the s/n ratio due to the drawing. But since you've opened that door....... I'm sure the joystick is there to assist/expedite AF point selection. It may secondarily be used for menu navigation. It could even potentially be used for photo editing in camera.

10-10-2019, 11:49 AM	#2513
MikeyBugs95 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,206	Originally posted by repaap ... It is just the same when people are talking about those new DFA* lenses. Because pentax would not be able to produce something like that them selves. Well in that case there has been history of sharing patents, and there are rebadged tamron(who don’t have one done by them?). That does not mean that this kind a stuff should be kept at here. Besides. That does not make any sense. As said before. That tech is allover now(SR). All of the sudden it is more important than stabilisation in lens. If Sony would not have gone there...they could have copied it from Pentax btw.. Well I didn't say that Pentax couldn't make this AF tech themselves, and for all we know, they very well could have. We just don't know anything right now anyway. But to create AF tech that reaches the same or similar levels as the D500 would require significant investment. Potentially enough that it might price this camera out of market in order to recoup the R&D. It would be significantly less expensive to license a competitors tech that has already been proven to be a highly capable system. True, SR tech is all over. But why reinvent the wheel when you can instead license the wheel and not spend as much of your R&D budget doing it? Besides, after you've gained the starting point, in this case it being a competent SR system, you can then take that system, add your own improvements and come out with a system that's potentially improved over and above the system that you received a license for.

10-10-2019, 11:59 AM	#2514
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by MikeyBugs95 Well I didn't say that Pentax couldn't make this AF tech themselves, and for all we know, they very well could have. We just don't know anything right now anyway. But to create AF tech that reaches the same or similar levels as the D500 would require significant investment. Potentially enough that it might price this camera out of market in order to recoup the R&D. It would be significantly less expensive to license a competitors tech that has already been proven to be a highly capable system. True, SR tech is all over. But why reinvent the wheel when you can instead license the wheel and not spend as much of your R&D budget doing it? Besides, after you've gained the starting point, in this case it being a competent SR system, you can then take that system, add your own improvements and come out with a system that's potentially improved over and above the system that you received a license for. For the joy of inventing and creating. That would be reason for it. Say that we did what we said that we will do. about that R&D, it will be put in next 3 generation of cameras, atleast. Anf to be honest, that thing needed some good renovation. They said that they have to begin from scratch.. 2 yrs ago. So here we are, and we are eager to learn if they managed to do it (that would make it little a bit mean for saying that they did actually buy the licence..)

10-10-2019, 02:06 PM	#2515
lsimpkins Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: SE Pennsylvania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 537	Originally posted by Archimedes the Dog I doubt they will abandon the K branding though. I'm truly curious to see how they proceed! They could start a new KA- series for the aps-c cameras where the first would be KA-1. Then the next FF would be the KF-1. Of course this does not allow for any indication of where in the hierarchy a specific model would fit (flagship vs. enthusiast vs. entry level). This could get complicated really quickly while I (we???) await the upcoming KAf-1.

10-10-2019, 02:59 PM - 1 Like	#2516
EricBT Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Melbourne Posts: 109	Originally posted by MikeyBugs95 Well I didn't say that Pentax couldn't make this AF tech themselves, and for all we know, they very well could have. We just don't know anything right now anyway. But to create AF tech that reaches the same or similar levels as the D500 would require significant investment. Potentially enough that it might price this camera out of market in order to recoup the R&D. It would be significantly less expensive to license a competitors tech that has already been proven to be a highly capable system. True, SR tech is all over. But why reinvent the wheel when you can instead license the wheel and not spend as much of your R&D budget doing it? Besides, after you've gained the starting point, in this case it being a competent SR system, you can then take that system, add your own improvements and come out with a system that's potentially improved over and above the system that you received a license for. While it's true that SR or IBIS is in other brands, it seems to be almost completely limited to mirrorless bodies. When Nikon announced it was going to have IBIS in it's upcoming DSLR at least one so-called Youtube expert, with a big following, stated that he didn't understand how that would be possible. This guy is a person who likes to make snide remarks about Pentax so it was most amusing to read the replies educating him about Pentax SR and how long it's been around.

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10-10-2019, 03:07 PM - 1 Like	#2517
Painter Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 348	Thinking about the proximity sensor below the viewfinder and what it could be used for. 1) To start the AF system (like Minolta Maxxums once did) 2) To Blank the rear screen so as to not interfere with the viewfinder 3) To disable a touch sensitive rear LCD 4) To Switch between the rear LCD and a hybrid EVF when in Live View mode. I’ve ranked them in the order of what I would wish for with 4 being the best. 1 and 2 would be a complete disappointment. 3 would be good but not a deal breaker. So my personal hope is for 4. I mean after all it looks like the return of the stovepipe from the K-01 if that isnt a hint from Ricoh then what is?

10-10-2019, 03:10 PM - 2 Likes	#2518
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by EricBT Youtube expert 21st century, definition #1 for 'oxymoron'.

10-10-2019, 11:38 PM	#2519
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by bxf sneak in something that at other times would get you banned if noticed yes maybe, you know I've been reprimanded twice for silly minor things, and I don't usually go into those long drawn out discussions on nothing much at all

10-10-2019, 11:57 PM	#2520
ryan63 New Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 14	Originally posted by Painter Thinking about the proximity sensor below the viewfinder and what it could be used for. 1) To start the AF system (like Minolta Maxxums once did) 2) To Blank the rear screen so as to not interfere with the viewfinder 3) To disable a touch sensitive rear LCD 4) To Switch between the rear LCD and a hybrid EVF when in Live View mode. I’ve ranked them in the order of what I would wish for with 4 being the best. 1 and 2 would be a complete disappointment. 3 would be good but not a deal breaker. So my personal hope is for 4. I mean after all it looks like the return of the stovepipe from the K-01 if that isnt a hint from Ricoh then what is? Could be used to initiate EYE CONTROLLED FOCUS POINT SELECTION as per the Canon Eos5. (Original film version) It was cool on that camera with only 5 points. How cool would it be for dozens of points!