New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited

**microlight** · 10-11-2019, 12:30 AM - **3 Likes**

‘YouTube expert’; you know the definition of expert, right? An ‘ex’ is a has-been, and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

troenaas · 10-11-2019, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by lsimpkins

They could start a new KA- series for the aps-c cameras where the first would be KA-1. Then the next FF would be the KF-1. Of course this does not allow for any indication of where in the hierarchy a specific model would fit (flagship vs. enthusiast vs. entry level). This could get complicated really quickly while I (we???) await the upcoming KAf-1.

The new naming structure should use the following scheme:

Crop = KDA
FF = KFA

**ffking** · 10-11-2019, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by ryan63

Could be used to initiate EYE CONTROLLED FOCUS POINT SELECTION as per the Canon Eos5

There are rumours about Canon revisiting that, but the fact that they haven't yet might be siggnifcant in terms of user uptake or real world usefulness - or it might not be

MMVIII · 10-11-2019, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by troenaas

The new naming structure should use the following scheme:

Crop = KDA
FF = KFA

Originally posted by lsimpkins

They could start a new KA- series for the aps-c cameras where the first would be KA-1. Then the next FF would be the KF-1. Of course this does not allow for any indication of where in the hierarchy a specific model would fit (flagship vs. enthusiast vs. entry level). This could get complicated really quickly while I (we???) await the upcoming KAf-1.

I like that, both of it. Anyhow, this reminds me of old PDML mailing list days, where the flagship of the analogue days played an important role. Being above Mz-5 and Mz-3 everyone was expecting the Mz-1. Pentax came with the Mz-s

(Yes, I know the prototype of a so called Mz-1. I would have liked it in those days).

Painter · 10-11-2019, 06:52 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ryan63

Could be used to initiate EYE CONTROLLED FOCUS POINT SELECTION as per the Canon Eos5. (Original film version)
It was cool on that camera with only 5 points.
How cool would it be for dozens of points!

I actual have and use the Elan 7ne It’s a fun thing to try but it doesn't work that well as a photography tool. Even with the limited number of points it requires you to look directly at what you want to focus on in an unnatural way. It’s much better to take everything in a scene in rather than looking specifically at one single point. Canon Elan 7ne (The one that knows where your looking) | Wallace Koopmans Artlog

photoptimist · 10-11-2019, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by ffking

There are rumours about Canon revisiting that, but the fact that they haven't yet might be siggnifcant in terms of user uptake or real world usefulness - or it might not be

As cool as eye-controlled focus sounds, it's not very compatible with how human vision works.

People's eyes are constantly in motion, twitching over different parts of the scene about 3 times per second. It's kind of like panoramic tiling with a telephoto lens and it's how human vision builds up a detailed view of the world. That's especially true of photographers who might be (should be!) checking all the other non-subject elements in the foreground, background, and borders of the photo.

Although the camera can follow the photographer's eye, it can't read the photographer's mind to know when the eye is looking at the subject or is looking elsewhere in the scene. Thus, a eye-controlled AF system would tend to jump all over the scene as the photographer makes these unconscious eye movements.

**ffking** · 10-11-2019, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

People's eyes are constantly in motion, twitching over different parts of the scene about 3 times per second

That's true - and photographers are even worse as we train ourselves to look at the edges of the frame

Kunzite · 10-11-2019, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

As cool as eye-controlled focus sounds, it's not very compatible with how human vision works.

And what do you do about Heisensubjects, the subjects you cannot observe and photograph at the same time?

Mistral75 · 10-11-2019, 08:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mistral75

From Ricoh Imaging France's newsletter:

Originally posted by Ricoh Imaging France::

Actuellement en développement, le prototype du futur Reflex numérique APS-C à monture K sera présenté lors d’une tournée européenne événementielle qui fera étape en France du 7 au 9 novembre. Si sa commercialisation est prévue en 2020, il sera possible de prendre en main le boîtier à cette occasion.

Translation:

'Currently in development, the prototype of the future K-mount APS-C DSLR will be presented during a European event tour that will stop in France from the 7th to the 9th of November. If its commercialization is planned for 2020, it will be possible to handle (literally: take in hand) the camera on this occasion.'

If it's really possible to put one's hands on the camera, French people on this forum will report on the mysterious label on the bottom and, of course, the unlabelled button and its use.

Ejector rear LCD, beware, here we come!

Ricoh Imaging France published today an erratum to their newsletter:

Originally posted by Ricoh Imaging France:

Quelques précisions quant aux festivités des 100 ans de PENTAX :

Le prototype du nouveau boîtier Reflex PENTAX APS-C sera présenté sous vitrine lors de la tournée Européenne événementielle qui fera étape en France du 7 au 9 novembre et ne pourra donc pas être pris en main.
Actuellement en développement, sa commercialisation est prévue en 2020.

Translation:

'A few details about Pentax's 100th anniversary celebration:

The prototype of the new PENTAX APS-C SLR camera will be showcased under glass during the European event tour that will stop in France from the 7t to the 9th of November and will therefore not be available for handling.
Currently under development, it is expected to be commercialised in 2020.'

Damn it!

photoptimist · 10-11-2019, 09:18 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

And what do you do about Heisensubjects, the subjects you cannot observe and photograph at the same time?

The interval composite setting with 2 shots can capture the ghostly image of Schrödinger's half-there/half-gone cat.

**TwoUptons** · 10-11-2019, 09:24 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Mistral75

Ricoh Imaging France published today an erratum to their newsletter:

Translation:

'A few details about Pentax's 100th anniversary celebration:

The prototype of the new PENTAX APS-C SLR camera will be showcased under glass during the European event tour that will stop in France from the 7t to the 9th of November and will therefore not be available for handling.
Currently under development, it is expected to be commercialised in 2020.'

Damn it!

Maybe we can convince them to put it mount-down in the case so we can see the bottom

Or at least have them put a mirror under a translucent stand...

-Eric

Mistral75 · 10-11-2019, 09:28 AM

There is nothing particularly interesting on/about the bottom, save for a white label with WS (working sample) on it. The blurred picture was a tease, a marketing trick.

reh321 · 10-11-2019, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

There is nothing particularly interesting on/about the bottom, save for a white label with WS (working sample) on it. The blurred picture was a tease, a marketing trick.

We shall see when the actual product is released and can get a view of the actual bottom.

**ffking** · 10-11-2019, 10:01 AM - **2 Likes**

I think Ricoh should take a tip from Adam and drop a new bit of information for every 1,000, posts in threads like this

tvdtvdtvd · 10-11-2019, 10:03 AM - **1 Like**

Eye AF could potentially be useful if implemented correctly. It would need to be 'Off/Inactive' by default so the lens doesn't hunt
as the eye scans the scene, then 'Activated' with a Focus lock button.

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10-11-2019, 12:58 AM	#2522
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Originally posted by lsimpkins They could start a new KA- series for the aps-c cameras where the first would be KA-1. Then the next FF would be the KF-1. Of course this does not allow for any indication of where in the hierarchy a specific model would fit (flagship vs. enthusiast vs. entry level). This could get complicated really quickly while I (we???) await the upcoming KAf-1. The new naming structure should use the following scheme: Crop = KDA FF = KFA

10-11-2019, 01:28 AM	#2523
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by ryan63 Could be used to initiate EYE CONTROLLED FOCUS POINT SELECTION as per the Canon Eos5 There are rumours about Canon revisiting that, but the fact that they haven't yet might be siggnifcant in terms of user uptake or real world usefulness - or it might not be

10-11-2019, 01:36 AM	#2524
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by troenaas The new naming structure should use the following scheme: Crop = KDA FF = KFA Originally posted by lsimpkins They could start a new KA- series for the aps-c cameras where the first would be KA-1. Then the next FF would be the KF-1. Of course this does not allow for any indication of where in the hierarchy a specific model would fit (flagship vs. enthusiast vs. entry level). This could get complicated really quickly while I (we???) await the upcoming KAf-1. I like that, both of it. Anyhow, this reminds me of old PDML mailing list days, where the flagship of the analogue days played an important role. Being above Mz-5 and Mz-3 everyone was expecting the Mz-1. Pentax came with the Mz-s (Yes, I know the prototype of a so called Mz-1. I would have liked it in those days).

10-11-2019, 06:52 AM - 1 Like	#2525
Painter Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 348	Originally posted by ryan63 Could be used to initiate EYE CONTROLLED FOCUS POINT SELECTION as per the Canon Eos5. (Original film version) It was cool on that camera with only 5 points. How cool would it be for dozens of points! I actual have and use the Elan 7ne It’s a fun thing to try but it doesn't work that well as a photography tool. Even with the limited number of points it requires you to look directly at what you want to focus on in an unnatural way. It’s much better to take everything in a scene in rather than looking specifically at one single point. Canon Elan 7ne (The one that knows where your looking) \| Wallace Koopmans Artlog

10-11-2019, 07:32 AM	#2526
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Originally posted by ffking There are rumours about Canon revisiting that, but the fact that they haven't yet might be siggnifcant in terms of user uptake or real world usefulness - or it might not be As cool as eye-controlled focus sounds, it's not very compatible with how human vision works. People's eyes are constantly in motion, twitching over different parts of the scene about 3 times per second. It's kind of like panoramic tiling with a telephoto lens and it's how human vision builds up a detailed view of the world. That's especially true of photographers who might be (should be!) checking all the other non-subject elements in the foreground, background, and borders of the photo. Although the camera can follow the photographer's eye, it can't read the photographer's mind to know when the eye is looking at the subject or is looking elsewhere in the scene. Thus, a eye-controlled AF system would tend to jump all over the scene as the photographer makes these unconscious eye movements.

10-11-2019, 07:42 AM	#2527
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by photoptimist People's eyes are constantly in motion, twitching over different parts of the scene about 3 times per second That's true - and photographers are even worse as we train ourselves to look at the edges of the frame

10-11-2019, 08:37 AM	#2528
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by photoptimist As cool as eye-controlled focus sounds, it's not very compatible with how human vision works. And what do you do about Heisensubjects, the subjects you cannot observe and photograph at the same time?

10-11-2019, 08:50 AM - 1 Like	#2529
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Mistral75 From Ricoh Imaging France's newsletter: Originally posted by Ricoh Imaging France:: Actuellement en développement, le prototype du futur Reflex numérique APS-C à monture K sera présenté lors d’une tournée européenne événementielle qui fera étape en France du 7 au 9 novembre. Si sa commercialisation est prévue en 2020, il sera possible de prendre en main le boîtier à cette occasion. Translation: 'Currently in development, the prototype of the future K-mount APS-C DSLR will be presented during a European event tour that will stop in France from the 7th to the 9th of November. If its commercialization is planned for 2020, it will be possible to handle (literally: take in hand) the camera on this occasion.' If it's really possible to put one's hands on the camera, French people on this forum will report on the mysterious label on the bottom and, of course, the unlabelled button and its use. Ejector rear LCD, beware, here we come! Ricoh Imaging France published today an erratum to their newsletter: Originally posted by Ricoh Imaging France: Quelques précisions quant aux festivités des 100 ans de PENTAX : Le prototype du nouveau boîtier Reflex PENTAX APS-C sera présenté sous vitrine lors de la tournée Européenne événementielle qui fera étape en France du 7 au 9 novembre et ne pourra donc pas être pris en main. Actuellement en développement, sa commercialisation est prévue en 2020. Translation: 'A few details about Pentax's 100th anniversary celebration: The prototype of the new PENTAX APS-C SLR camera will be showcased under glass during the European event tour that will stop in France from the 7t to the 9th of November and will therefore not be available for handling. Currently under development, it is expected to be commercialised in 2020.' Damn it!

10-11-2019, 09:18 AM - 2 Likes	#2530
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Originally posted by Kunzite And what do you do about Heisensubjects, the subjects you cannot observe and photograph at the same time? The interval composite setting with 2 shots can capture the ghostly image of Schrödinger's half-there/half-gone cat.

10-11-2019, 09:24 AM - 2 Likes	#2531
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,214	Originally posted by Mistral75 Ricoh Imaging France published today an erratum to their newsletter: Translation: 'A few details about Pentax's 100th anniversary celebration: The prototype of the new PENTAX APS-C SLR camera will be showcased under glass during the European event tour that will stop in France from the 7t to the 9th of November and will therefore not be available for handling. Currently under development, it is expected to be commercialised in 2020.' Damn it! Maybe we can convince them to put it mount-down in the case so we can see the bottom Or at least have them put a mirror under a translucent stand... -Eric

10-11-2019, 09:28 AM	#2532
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	There is nothing particularly interesting on/about the bottom, save for a white label with WS (working sample) on it. The blurred picture was a tease, a marketing trick.

10-11-2019, 09:55 AM	#2533
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Mistral75 There is nothing particularly interesting on/about the bottom, save for a white label with WS (working sample) on it. The blurred picture was a tease, a marketing trick. We shall see when the actual product is released and can get a view of the actual bottom.

10-11-2019, 10:01 AM - 2 Likes	#2534
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	I think Ricoh should take a tip from Adam and drop a new bit of information for every 1,000, posts in threads like this

10-11-2019, 10:03 AM - 1 Like	#2535
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Eye AF could potentially be useful if implemented correctly. It would need to be 'Off/Inactive' by default so the lens doesn't hunt as the eye scans the scene, then 'Activated' with a Focus lock button.