New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited

**Mikesul** · 10-12-2019, 07:54 PM

There is certainly possibility in your suggestion, Monochrome, but it is still just speculation. Certainly companies license each others technology but that is not evidence that this supposed Nikon/Pentax trade occurred. I think it would be neat if it did but so far no evidence.

thibs · 10-13-2019, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

All I can say after reading the last few pages is that I hope you all have a bunch of raffle tickets already...

(I've had a hard time making the 70 posts I've made since the beginning of October. I guess I just don't have enough to say).

Same here more or less.

thibs · 10-13-2019, 12:28 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by luftfluss

The soon-to-be-unemployed IR editorial staff probably feels differently.

We should create a new thread discussing the possibility of funding the takeover of IR.

Kunzite · 10-13-2019, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

The mystery button turns On/Off a tiny display of the letters RICOH below the LCD

There's no room for the RICOH inscription.
And I could believe that a Pentax engineer pushed including an eye sensor just to move the LCD lower so there would be no room for the RICOH inscription

Mistral75 · 10-13-2019, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by Mikesul

There is certainly possibility in your suggestion, Monochrome, but it is still just speculation. Certainly companies license each others technology but that is not evidence that this supposed Nikon/Pentax trade occurred. I think it would be neat if it did but so far no evidence.

Not only is there no evidence of a cross-deal between Nikon and Ricoh (AF <--> SR) but all there is is a mere speculation based on a rumour emanating from one guy saying that the autofocus of the K-New has 153 AF points (same as Nikon D500/D5/D850). Note that the rumour is now back pedalling: '153 AF points' has become 'definitely more than 100 AF points'.

Just wait and see.

Mistral75 · 10-13-2019, 02:09 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

There's no room for the RICOH inscription.
And I could believe that a Pentax engineer pushed including an eye sensor just to move the LCD lower so there would be no room for the RICOH inscription

The RICOH inscription is subliminally flashing on the rear LCD, too quick for you to see it but long enough for your brain to register it and release endorphins. The mystery button lets you choose/toggle between three inscriptions: Ricoh, Pentax and AOCo (Asahi Optical Co).

**monochrome** · 10-13-2019, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Mikesul

There is certainly possibility in your suggestion, Monochrome, but it is still just speculation. Certainly companies license each others technology but that is not evidence that this supposed Nikon/Pentax trade occurred. I think it would be neat if it did but so far no evidence.

Originally posted by Mistral75

Not only is there no evidence of a cross-deal between Nikon and Ricoh (AF <--> SR) but all there is is a mere speculation based on a rumour emanating from one guy saying that the autofocus of the K-New has 153 AF points (same as Nikon D500/D5/D850). Note that the rumour is now back pedalling: '153 AF points' has become 'definitely more than 100 AF points'.

Just wait and see.

I don’t believe I suggested a cross-license with Nikon. I merely commented on the sudden spread of IBIS and recounted that Pentax had licensed technology to others in the past - and I don’t suppose there was evidence of such licensing at the time.

OTOH Pentax executive comments over the last several years have suggested a primary development goal has been significantly improved AF, so in-house development is not inconsistent.

Mistral75 · 10-13-2019, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

I don’t believe I suggested a cross-license with Nikon. I merely commented on the sudden spread of IBIS and recounted that Pentax had licensed technology to others in the past - and I don’t suppose there was evidence of such licensing at the time.

OTOH Pentax executive comments over the last several years have suggested a primary development goal has been significantly improved AF, so in-house development is not inconsistent.

You definitely did not. Others did though, hence the rumour.

MikeyBugs95 · 10-13-2019, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

The RICOH inscription is subliminally flashing on the rear LCD, too quick for you to see it but long enough for your brain to register it and release endorphins. The mystery button lets you choose/toggle between three inscriptions: Ricoh, Pentax and AOCo (Asahi Optical Co).

That's the perfect way to get more people involved with Pentax. If we keep showing people what's on our screens and at the same time pressing the subliminal messaging button, we may get enough people thinking about Pentax that they buy in. Then they could do the same and eventually we'll Make Pentax Popular Again! MPPA!

But honestly, I wouldn't mind having an AOCo logo displayed on the rear screen. I like the logo. I even designed an AOCo stamp to put it on the prism housing of my K-3II. But then I realized that that would probably decrease the resell value so I decided not to do it.

gatorguy · 10-13-2019, 05:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mistral75

Not only is there no evidence of a cross-deal between Nikon and Ricoh (AF <--> SR) but all there is is a mere speculation based on a rumour emanating from one guy saying that the autofocus of the K-New has 153 AF points (same as Nikon D500/D5/D850). Note that the rumour is now back pedalling: '153 AF points' has become 'definitely more than 100 AF points'.

Just wait and see.

Hadn't seen the rumor that the earlier rumor might be wrong and the new rumor is "more than 100". Thanks!

---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 08:45 AM ----------

Originally posted by MikeyBugs95

we may get enough people thinking about Pentax that they buy in. Then they could do the same and eventually we'll Make Pentax Popular Again! MPPA!.

On a hike yesterday morning one of the gang of six with me had just this week upgraded his camera from a Sony A6400 to the Sony A7IV. We started discussing how long those massive files take to manipulate and he mentioned he'd be upgrading his computer to accommodate it.

"Gosh, 26mp is plenty for me (yeah I forgot it was 24) I bet I'm the only guy you know shooting Pentax so I'm easy to spot in a crowd"

Him: "Nah I have another friend up North with a Pentax but when we're out shooting together I ask him to move away a little so he doesn't embarrass me."

LOL!

solitudebound · 10-13-2019, 05:47 AM

Has any one considered that this development model and subsequent couple small presentations were a means to placate the Pentax fandom and investors without actually making a new camera? Meanwhile Ricoh's theta development is chugging along.
I'm not doom and glooming Pentax but we did go through similar ups and downs (slow torture) in the decade of waiting for the K-1 (full frame). Sometimes memory is a burden but it would be rather foolish to ignore it.

Just something to think about and no need to start a flaming war on the subject.

**TwoUptons** · 10-13-2019, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by mtgmansf

So I was thinking about all the people that really want a Pentax APS-c mirrorless yesterday, after reading a review of the new Nikon z50. Honestly, I cannot find anything on this camera that would make it more attractive than the K70 or KP, except maybe a little better autofocus for sports and video. For 4K though, it uses a 1.5 crop of the aps-c sensor. Considering it is priced higher than the KP, has no IS, pixel shift, rugged, weather resistant lenses, swivel screen, vertical grip, elaborate lens line up, but has a lower res sensor (20mp), etc., me thinks that Nikon has shown us the way to an underwhelming camera that basically is a little smaller, lighter, and mirrorless...

I think the Z50 is showing Nikon’s take on what it needs to maintain acceptable profit margins with their anticipated sales volume.

To me that’s not a good sign for them... and it suggests the KP was a very well placed model after all...

I am afraid it probably means the new flagship will not be cheap 🙂

-Eric

reh321 · 10-13-2019, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by TwoUptons

I am afraid it probably means the new flagship will not be cheap

I have assumed all along that the new “flagship” will not be inexpensive - even the KP was something like $1199 when it first came out, and the “flagship” will be at least several hundred above that, and most likely will come down less and more slowly.

**Mikesul** · 10-13-2019, 06:30 AM

Pentax, like most of the other manufacturers, seems to be moving to higher end pricing in this reduced market.

bladerunner6 · 10-13-2019, 06:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mikesul

Pentax, like most of the other manufacturers, seems to be moving to higher end pricing in this reduced market.

“Seems” is too gentle of a word.

They are shifting prices upwards.

I bought a two lens K50 kit for $599.

A one lens K70 Kit is $650. (Still an excellent value).

The 50mm lens is also a high ticket item.

I don’t blame them, but this trend does have some negative consequences.

10-13-2019, 05:37 AM - 1 Like	#2605
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by Mistral75 Not only is there no evidence of a cross-deal between Nikon and Ricoh (AF <--> SR) but all there is is a mere speculation based on a rumour emanating from one guy saying that the autofocus of the K-New has 153 AF points (same as Nikon D500/D5/D850). Note that the rumour is now back pedalling: '153 AF points' has become 'definitely more than 100 AF points'. Just wait and see. Hadn't seen the rumor that the earlier rumor might be wrong and the new rumor is "more than 100". Thanks! ---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 08:45 AM ---------- Originally posted by MikeyBugs95 we may get enough people thinking about Pentax that they buy in. Then they could do the same and eventually we'll Make Pentax Popular Again! MPPA!. On a hike yesterday morning one of the gang of six with me had just this week upgraded his camera from a Sony A6400 to the Sony A7IV. We started discussing how long those massive files take to manipulate and he mentioned he'd be upgrading his computer to accommodate it. "Gosh, 26mp is plenty for me (yeah I forgot it was 24) I bet I'm the only guy you know shooting Pentax so I'm easy to spot in a crowd" Him: "Nah I have another friend up North with a Pentax but when we're out shooting together I ask him to move away a little so he doesn't embarrass me." LOL! Last edited by gatorguy; 10-13-2019 at 05:48 AM.

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10-12-2019, 07:54 PM	#2596
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	There is certainly possibility in your suggestion, Monochrome, but it is still just speculation. Certainly companies license each others technology but that is not evidence that this supposed Nikon/Pentax trade occurred. I think it would be neat if it did but so far no evidence.

10-13-2019, 12:23 AM	#2597
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Rondec All I can say after reading the last few pages is that I hope you all have a bunch of raffle tickets already... (I've had a hard time making the 70 posts I've made since the beginning of October. I guess I just don't have enough to say). Same here more or less.

10-13-2019, 12:28 AM - 1 Like	#2598
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by luftfluss The soon-to-be-unemployed IR editorial staff probably feels differently. We should create a new thread discussing the possibility of funding the takeover of IR.

10-13-2019, 01:01 AM	#2599
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by monochrome The mystery button turns On/Off a tiny display of the letters RICOH below the LCD There's no room for the RICOH inscription. And I could believe that a Pentax engineer pushed including an eye sensor just to move the LCD lower so there would be no room for the RICOH inscription

10-13-2019, 02:04 AM	#2600
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Mikesul There is certainly possibility in your suggestion, Monochrome, but it is still just speculation. Certainly companies license each others technology but that is not evidence that this supposed Nikon/Pentax trade occurred. I think it would be neat if it did but so far no evidence. Not only is there no evidence of a cross-deal between Nikon and Ricoh (AF <--> SR) but all there is is a mere speculation based on a rumour emanating from one guy saying that the autofocus of the K-New has 153 AF points (same as Nikon D500/D5/D850). Note that the rumour is now back pedalling: '153 AF points' has become 'definitely more than 100 AF points'. Just wait and see.

10-13-2019, 02:09 AM - 2 Likes	#2601
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Kunzite There's no room for the RICOH inscription. And I could believe that a Pentax engineer pushed including an eye sensor just to move the LCD lower so there would be no room for the RICOH inscription The RICOH inscription is subliminally flashing on the rear LCD, too quick for you to see it but long enough for your brain to register it and release endorphins. The mystery button lets you choose/toggle between three inscriptions: Ricoh, Pentax and AOCo (Asahi Optical Co).

10-13-2019, 04:25 AM	#2602
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Mikesul There is certainly possibility in your suggestion, Monochrome, but it is still just speculation. Certainly companies license each others technology but that is not evidence that this supposed Nikon/Pentax trade occurred. I think it would be neat if it did but so far no evidence. Originally posted by Mistral75 Not only is there no evidence of a cross-deal between Nikon and Ricoh (AF <--> SR) but all there is is a mere speculation based on a rumour emanating from one guy saying that the autofocus of the K-New has 153 AF points (same as Nikon D500/D5/D850). Note that the rumour is now back pedalling: '153 AF points' has become 'definitely more than 100 AF points'. Just wait and see. I don’t believe I suggested a cross-license with Nikon. I merely commented on the sudden spread of IBIS and recounted that Pentax had licensed technology to others in the past - and I don’t suppose there was evidence of such licensing at the time. OTOH Pentax executive comments over the last several years have suggested a primary development goal has been significantly improved AF, so in-house development is not inconsistent.

10-13-2019, 05:01 AM	#2603
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by monochrome I don’t believe I suggested a cross-license with Nikon. I merely commented on the sudden spread of IBIS and recounted that Pentax had licensed technology to others in the past - and I don’t suppose there was evidence of such licensing at the time. OTOH Pentax executive comments over the last several years have suggested a primary development goal has been significantly improved AF, so in-house development is not inconsistent. You definitely did not. Others did though, hence the rumour.

10-13-2019, 05:32 AM	#2604
MikeyBugs95 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,206	Originally posted by Mistral75 The RICOH inscription is subliminally flashing on the rear LCD, too quick for you to see it but long enough for your brain to register it and release endorphins. The mystery button lets you choose/toggle between three inscriptions: Ricoh, Pentax and AOCo (Asahi Optical Co). That's the perfect way to get more people involved with Pentax. If we keep showing people what's on our screens and at the same time pressing the subliminal messaging button, we may get enough people thinking about Pentax that they buy in. Then they could do the same and eventually we'll Make Pentax Popular Again! MPPA! But honestly, I wouldn't mind having an AOCo logo displayed on the rear screen. I like the logo. I even designed an AOCo stamp to put it on the prism housing of my K-3II. But then I realized that that would probably decrease the resell value so I decided not to do it.

10-13-2019, 05:47 AM	#2606
solitudebound Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 140	Has any one considered that this development model and subsequent couple small presentations were a means to placate the Pentax fandom and investors without actually making a new camera? Meanwhile Ricoh's theta development is chugging along. I'm not doom and glooming Pentax but we did go through similar ups and downs (slow torture) in the decade of waiting for the K-1 (full frame). Sometimes memory is a burden but it would be rather foolish to ignore it. Just something to think about and no need to start a flaming war on the subject.

10-13-2019, 05:49 AM	#2607
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,215	Originally posted by mtgmansf So I was thinking about all the people that really want a Pentax APS-c mirrorless yesterday, after reading a review of the new Nikon z50. Honestly, I cannot find anything on this camera that would make it more attractive than the K70 or KP, except maybe a little better autofocus for sports and video. For 4K though, it uses a 1.5 crop of the aps-c sensor. Considering it is priced higher than the KP, has no IS, pixel shift, rugged, weather resistant lenses, swivel screen, vertical grip, elaborate lens line up, but has a lower res sensor (20mp), etc., me thinks that Nikon has shown us the way to an underwhelming camera that basically is a little smaller, lighter, and mirrorless... I think the Z50 is showing Nikon’s take on what it needs to maintain acceptable profit margins with their anticipated sales volume. To me that’s not a good sign for them... and it suggests the KP was a very well placed model after all... I am afraid it probably means the new flagship will not be cheap 🙂 -Eric

10-13-2019, 06:15 AM	#2608
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by TwoUptons I am afraid it probably means the new flagship will not be cheap I have assumed all along that the new “flagship” will not be inexpensive - even the KP was something like $1199 when it first came out, and the “flagship” will be at least several hundred above that, and most likely will come down less and more slowly.

10-13-2019, 06:30 AM	#2609
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Pentax, like most of the other manufacturers, seems to be moving to higher end pricing in this reduced market.

10-13-2019, 06:47 AM - 1 Like	#2610
bladerunner6 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by Mikesul Pentax, like most of the other manufacturers, seems to be moving to higher end pricing in this reduced market. “Seems” is too gentle of a word. They are shifting prices upwards. I bought a two lens K50 kit for $599. A one lens K70 Kit is $650. (Still an excellent value). The 50mm lens is also a high ticket item. I don’t blame them, but this trend does have some negative consequences.