New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited

deus ursus · 10-16-2019, 03:35 AM

Someone over at Pentaxmedicalforums.com: "$ 100 000,-!!! Great! There goes the R&D budget!"

Zooland · 10-16-2019, 03:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by deus ursus

Someone over at Pentaxmedicalforums.com: "$ 100 000,-!!! Great! There goes the R&D budget!"

That’s where the money is...

Mistral75 · 10-16-2019, 03:51 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by deus ursus

Someone over at Pentaxmedicalforums.com: "$ 100 000,-!!! Great! There goes the R&D budget!"

Considering that Hoya's profit before tax was equal to 25.6% of their revenue in FY2019 (Ricoh's: 4.2%), I wouldn't worry too much about them.

xandos · 10-16-2019, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by ffking

Seriously - I'm sure it's an ergonomic thing, but I agree that some of the most appealing designs of cameras aren't necessarily the most technically ergonomic, just like some of the most loved cars aren't always the most aerodynamic - form can follow function too slavishly - having said which, the camera in question looks very nice to me

I also would prefer straight lines. I don't care too much about the looks (its not going to beat the LX looks either way), but its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way.

gazonk · 10-16-2019, 04:13 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by xandos

but its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way.

Good point! I do that frequently, although last time I did that a couple of weeks ago, I was shooting in portrait mode and used the bottom of the camera for support against a wall (And then I managed to knock off the removable little thingy from my DFA 28-105 lens hood, and it dropped down on a street from a high tower! I ran down from the tower, and believe it or not, found the little thing immediately

)

deus ursus · 10-16-2019, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by xandos

I also would prefer straight lines. I don't care too much about the looks (its not going to beat the LX looks either way), but its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way.

An extra tripod mount, like on the 645's, wouldn't that be nice?

**ThorSanchez** · 10-16-2019, 04:35 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by totsmuyco

I kinda like my camera body to be straight. I like the retro look. And, I like defined angle corner edges. That's all.

Your hands are designed to grasp ball-shaped objects. The grips should be two baseballs. Or cricket balls.

xandos · 10-16-2019, 04:41 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by deus ursus

An extra tripod mount, like on the 645's, wouldn't that be nice?

It might be nice, but its not of much use when not having your tripod with you. When I do bring it, I'm happy to use my ballhead at a 90 degree angle. Alternatively I could purchase an L bracket.

I nearly always carry my camera (K-1) with me, but nearly never bring my tripod, so if longer shots are needed, I improvise with whatever happens to be around. Its great that we don't have to be too careful with these cameras due to dust/water proofing and robust build.

**MrNPhoto** · 10-16-2019, 04:53 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Zooland

So what happens next? Can someone summarise a probable sequence of events or announcements regarding the new camera? I’m interested in looking at the manual.

If it is like previous models, we should get a couple of rumors or hints about the name in November, and see some more photos of it under glass or with a lens mounted at some dealer event.
In Dec, we should get strong 'hints' about some basic features (megapixels, whether it will support 4k video, AF points, etc).
In Jan, someone will leak 'confirmation' about the sensor, fps, video or viewfinder.
About 1 week before CP+ we should see leaked low-res photos from a brochure or manual.
About 1-2 days before the official announcement, we'll have leaked 'official photos' and name and list of specs.
I'd expect it would be officially announced the week before CP+.
It will be the star of the Ricoh booth, along with the 11-18 and a newly announced lens. (70-200 f4?)
We'll get a new lens roadmap, and a prototype of the next lens to be developed (85 f1.4?) under glass.
The cameras at CP+ will be fully working models, but it won't ship until March 2020.

At least that's what I think is probable regarding the new camera.

Mistral75 · 10-16-2019, 05:11 AM - **6 Likes**

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

Your hands are designed to grasp ball-shaped objects. The grips should be two baseballs. Or cricket balls.

I would go against forum rules and public decency if I wrote here what my hands are designed to grasp but, whilst I'm straight, they are definitely curvy.

totsmuyco · 10-16-2019, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

Your hands are designed to grasp ball-shaped objects. The grips should be two baseballs. Or cricket balls.

Grips like the K-5 or K-3 are great. It's just the side that should be straight. Again like the k-5 and k-3. Straight camera sides with nothing sorta bulging.

Sandy Hancock · 10-16-2019, 05:21 AM - **2 Likes**

The MZ-D had a curved left side.
Just sayin'

Pentax knows history.

troenaas · 10-16-2019, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by deus ursus

I also would prefer straight lines. I don't care too much about the looks (its not going to beat the LX looks either way), but its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way.

Just use an L-plate - problem solved...

**ffking** · 10-16-2019, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by xandos

its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way.

You'll have to take to making portrait orientation shots

**Serkevan** · 10-16-2019, 05:59 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mistral75

they are definitely curvy.

That... can still go several ways.

On a related note, several times I have been informed that my better half's tele lens is, in fact, substantially larger than mine.

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10-16-2019, 03:35 AM	#2791
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Someone over at Pentaxmedicalforums.com: "$ 100 000,-!!! Great! There goes the R&D budget!"

10-16-2019, 03:39 AM - 1 Like	#2792
Zooland Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 370	Originally posted by deus ursus Someone over at Pentaxmedicalforums.com: "$ 100 000,-!!! Great! There goes the R&D budget!" That’s where the money is...

10-16-2019, 03:51 AM - 1 Like	#2793
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by deus ursus Someone over at Pentaxmedicalforums.com: "$ 100 000,-!!! Great! There goes the R&D budget!" Considering that Hoya's profit before tax was equal to 25.6% of their revenue in FY2019 (Ricoh's: 4.2%), I wouldn't worry too much about them.

10-16-2019, 04:03 AM	#2794
xandos Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 120	Originally posted by ffking Seriously - I'm sure it's an ergonomic thing, but I agree that some of the most appealing designs of cameras aren't necessarily the most technically ergonomic, just like some of the most loved cars aren't always the most aerodynamic - form can follow function too slavishly - having said which, the camera in question looks very nice to me I also would prefer straight lines. I don't care too much about the looks (its not going to beat the LX looks either way), but its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way.

10-16-2019, 04:13 AM - 1 Like	#2795
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by xandos but its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way. Good point! I do that frequently, although last time I did that a couple of weeks ago, I was shooting in portrait mode and used the bottom of the camera for support against a wall (And then I managed to knock off the removable little thingy from my DFA 28-105 lens hood, and it dropped down on a street from a high tower! I ran down from the tower, and believe it or not, found the little thing immediately )

10-16-2019, 04:29 AM	#2796
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Originally posted by xandos I also would prefer straight lines. I don't care too much about the looks (its not going to beat the LX looks either way), but its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way. An extra tripod mount, like on the 645's, wouldn't that be nice?

10-16-2019, 04:35 AM - 2 Likes	#2797
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by totsmuyco I kinda like my camera body to be straight. I like the retro look. And, I like defined angle corner edges. That's all. Your hands are designed to grasp ball-shaped objects. The grips should be two baseballs. Or cricket balls.

10-16-2019, 04:41 AM - 1 Like	#2798
xandos Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 120	Originally posted by deus ursus An extra tripod mount, like on the 645's, wouldn't that be nice? It might be nice, but its not of much use when not having your tripod with you. When I do bring it, I'm happy to use my ballhead at a 90 degree angle. Alternatively I could purchase an L bracket. I nearly always carry my camera (K-1) with me, but nearly never bring my tripod, so if longer shots are needed, I improvise with whatever happens to be around. Its great that we don't have to be too careful with these cameras due to dust/water proofing and robust build.

10-16-2019, 04:53 AM - 3 Likes	#2799
MrNPhoto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Boston Photos: Gallery Posts: 276	Originally posted by Zooland So what happens next? Can someone summarise a probable sequence of events or announcements regarding the new camera? I’m interested in looking at the manual. If it is like previous models, we should get a couple of rumors or hints about the name in November, and see some more photos of it under glass or with a lens mounted at some dealer event. In Dec, we should get strong 'hints' about some basic features (megapixels, whether it will support 4k video, AF points, etc). In Jan, someone will leak 'confirmation' about the sensor, fps, video or viewfinder. About 1 week before CP+ we should see leaked low-res photos from a brochure or manual. About 1-2 days before the official announcement, we'll have leaked 'official photos' and name and list of specs. I'd expect it would be officially announced the week before CP+. It will be the star of the Ricoh booth, along with the 11-18 and a newly announced lens. (70-200 f4?) We'll get a new lens roadmap, and a prototype of the next lens to be developed (85 f1.4?) under glass. The cameras at CP+ will be fully working models, but it won't ship until March 2020. At least that's what I think is probable regarding the new camera.

10-16-2019, 05:11 AM - 6 Likes	#2800
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by ThorSanchez Your hands are designed to grasp ball-shaped objects. The grips should be two baseballs. Or cricket balls. I would go against forum rules and public decency if I wrote here what my hands are designed to grasp but, whilst I'm straight, they are definitely curvy.

10-16-2019, 05:17 AM	#2801
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Originally posted by ThorSanchez Your hands are designed to grasp ball-shaped objects. The grips should be two baseballs. Or cricket balls. Grips like the K-5 or K-3 are great. It's just the side that should be straight. Again like the k-5 and k-3. Straight camera sides with nothing sorta bulging.

10-16-2019, 05:21 AM - 2 Likes	#2802
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	The MZ-D had a curved left side. Just sayin' Pentax knows history.

10-16-2019, 05:31 AM	#2803
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Originally posted by deus ursus I also would prefer straight lines. I don't care too much about the looks (its not going to beat the LX looks either way), but its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way. Just use an L-plate - problem solved...

10-16-2019, 05:36 AM	#2804
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by xandos its nice to be able to prop it against some object or wall for some shots when I dont have a tripod. With a curved side, it might be too unstable that way. You'll have to take to making portrait orientation shots

10-16-2019, 05:59 AM - 1 Like	#2805
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Mistral75 they are definitely curvy. That... can still go several ways. On a related note, several times I have been informed that my better half's tele lens is, in fact, substantially larger than mine.