New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited

**Kevin B123** · 11-02-2019, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by reh321

My experimentation here has convinced me that flash at low ISO is inferior to ambient light at 12800

A flash will always reveal more fine detail if it can be used IMO, but ISO 12800 is useful in the museums as you state.

I am surprised to see this thread has run to 214 pages already

reh321 · 11-02-2019, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Kevin B123

A flash will always reveal more fine detail if it can be used IMO, but ISO 12800 is useful in the museums as you state.

I am surprised to see this thread has run to 214 pages already

I never said I never use flash. For example, I use flash at home to show that our black cat is more than just a black shape - that she has detail - but my Q-7 and K-30 are adequate for that.

In theory this thread is about the new APS-C camera - the camera that people who find the KP to be inadequate.

Dan Rentea · 11-02-2019, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by reh321

In contrast, I have become a big fan of using ambient light, because unless one hauls lots of professional lighting around, it is hard to provide good lighting via artificial lighting.

Look at this video, look at the results and tell me how many professional lightings were used.

I use a lot the ambient light because I'm lazy and I don't want to carry a lot of things with me. If the light is that bad to need the build in pop up flash, I don't use my camera, I use my phone with it's build in flash. Why carry a big camera for a snapshot?

Youtu.be

biz-engineer · 11-02-2019, 09:12 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by TwoUptons

That’s the real reason for the delay in the 70-200f4... it’s an over/under design. The top portion is the lens proper, but there’s a secondary barrel to store and launch the flares when paired with the K-new.

Flare launcher is a better option than flash for landscape photography at night, the flare illuminate the landscape much further away than a flash could do.

**TwoUptons** · 11-02-2019, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Flare launcher is a better option than flash for landscape photography at night, the flare illuminate the landscape much further away than a flash could do.

And it can work for short pieces of video

-Eric

**mlt** · 11-02-2019, 09:57 AM - **2 Likes**

Maybe a return to large trays of flash powder is in the future

photoptimist · 11-02-2019, 10:10 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Flare launcher is a better option than flash for landscape photography at night, the flare illuminate the landscape much further away than a flash could do.

So now the rumor is that the K-new has a true "pop-up" flash -- a flash that pops up into the air and fires the flash and shutter at the optimal time.

Cool! I'd buy that!

yorik · 11-02-2019, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

Look at this video, look at the results and tell me how many professional lightings were used.

I use a lot the ambient light because I'm lazy and I don't want to carry a lot of things with me. If the light is that bad to need the build in pop up flash, I don't use my camera, I use my phone with it's build in flash. Why carry a big camera for a snapshot?

Product Photography, still life photography HACK by Karl Taylor - YouTube

I prefer the term `available light'... I also rarely use a flash, but I will sometimes move the available light sources around, like in the picture below.

Maybe the new camera will come with a detachable iPad..?

Dan Rentea · 11-02-2019, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by yorik

I prefer the term `available light'... I also rarely use a flash, but I will sometimes move the available light sources around, like in the picture below.

Maybe the new camera will come with a detachable iPad..?

Yes, available light I wanted to say. I was thinking at it and wrote ambient light.

You lifted the shadows under the "chin" of the cat by using a different type of "reflector"?

I like it.

Mistral75 · 11-02-2019, 12:35 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Kevin B123

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I am surprised to see this thread has run to 214 pages already

That's because the moderation didn't close it even though it's completely off topic.

It's raffle time, you know...

**microlight** · 11-02-2019, 01:41 PM

Yep, I know!

agukha · 11-02-2019, 01:54 PM - **1 Like**

Well, to go back... slighly on the topic ^^
We still don't know what mechanism is activated by the mystery button !
We suppose the AF is way better, but I don't see why it should need a button for it.
So ? The switch between OVF and some sort of EVF, possibly not with same functionalities than others, but however something between ?

reh321 · 11-02-2019, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

That's because the moderation didn't close it even though it's completely off topic.

It's raffle time, you know...

Recently at least, the discussion has been completely on target. The discussion of flash vs available light at higher ISO, of flash vs GPS in the prism housing, is completely encompassed by the title "New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited". My involvement in this discussion has not been increased by the 'raffle'; in fact, since I already have a KP and a 55-300mm lens, I am not compelled by the 'raffle' to participate.

**mlt** · 11-02-2019, 02:06 PM

Maybe a multi-function button of some sort depending on other settings or functions.

photoptimist · 11-02-2019, 02:09 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by agukha

We still don't know what mechanism is activated by the mystery button !

Maybe it's for the new HyperSR® (Subject Stabilization) system that holds the subject still for the shot.

Who needs lightning-fast AF or a billion frames-a-second if the camera could stabilize the subject!?!?!?!?

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11-02-2019, 08:37 AM	#3211
Kevin B123 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Hampshire Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,176	Originally posted by reh321 My experimentation here has convinced me that flash at low ISO is inferior to ambient light at 12800 A flash will always reveal more fine detail if it can be used IMO, but ISO 12800 is useful in the museums as you state. I am surprised to see this thread has run to 214 pages already

11-02-2019, 08:45 AM	#3212
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by Kevin B123 A flash will always reveal more fine detail if it can be used IMO, but ISO 12800 is useful in the museums as you state. I am surprised to see this thread has run to 214 pages already I never said I never use flash. For example, I use flash at home to show that our black cat is more than just a black shape - that she has detail - but my Q-7 and K-30 are adequate for that. In theory this thread is about the new APS-C camera - the camera that people who find the KP to be inadequate.

11-02-2019, 09:12 AM - 2 Likes	#3214
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by TwoUptons That’s the real reason for the delay in the 70-200f4... it’s an over/under design. The top portion is the lens proper, but there’s a secondary barrel to store and launch the flares when paired with the K-new. Flare launcher is a better option than flash for landscape photography at night, the flare illuminate the landscape much further away than a flash could do.

11-02-2019, 09:14 AM	#3215
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,213	Originally posted by biz-engineer Flare launcher is a better option than flash for landscape photography at night, the flare illuminate the landscape much further away than a flash could do. And it can work for short pieces of video -Eric

11-02-2019, 09:57 AM - 2 Likes	#3216
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Maybe a return to large trays of flash powder is in the future

11-02-2019, 10:10 AM - 2 Likes	#3217
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,122	Originally posted by biz-engineer Flare launcher is a better option than flash for landscape photography at night, the flare illuminate the landscape much further away than a flash could do. So now the rumor is that the K-new has a true "pop-up" flash -- a flash that pops up into the air and fires the flash and shutter at the optimal time. Cool! I'd buy that!

11-02-2019, 10:34 AM	#3218
yorik Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Scotts Valley, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 991	Originally posted by Dan Rentea Look at this video, look at the results and tell me how many professional lightings were used. I use a lot the ambient light because I'm lazy and I don't want to carry a lot of things with me. If the light is that bad to need the build in pop up flash, I don't use my camera, I use my phone with it's build in flash. Why carry a big camera for a snapshot? Product Photography, still life photography HACK by Karl Taylor - YouTube I prefer the term `available light'... I also rarely use a flash, but I will sometimes move the available light sources around, like in the picture below. Maybe the new camera will come with a detachable iPad..?

11-02-2019, 11:45 AM	#3219
Dan Rentea Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bucharest Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by yorik I prefer the term `available light'... I also rarely use a flash, but I will sometimes move the available light sources around, like in the picture below. Maybe the new camera will come with a detachable iPad..? Yes, available light I wanted to say. I was thinking at it and wrote ambient light. You lifted the shadows under the "chin" of the cat by using a different type of "reflector"? I like it.

11-02-2019, 12:35 PM - 2 Likes	#3220
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Kevin B123 (...) I am surprised to see this thread has run to 214 pages already That's because the moderation didn't close it even though it's completely off topic. It's raffle time, you know...

11-02-2019, 01:41 PM	#3221
microlight Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,129	Yep, I know!

11-02-2019, 01:54 PM - 1 Like	#3222
agukha Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 367	Well, to go back... slighly on the topic ^^ We still don't know what mechanism is activated by the mystery button ! We suppose the AF is way better, but I don't see why it should need a button for it. So ? The switch between OVF and some sort of EVF, possibly not with same functionalities than others, but however something between ?

11-02-2019, 02:05 PM	#3223
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by Mistral75 That's because the moderation didn't close it even though it's completely off topic. It's raffle time, you know... Recently at least, the discussion has been completely on target. The discussion of flash vs available light at higher ISO, of flash vs GPS in the prism housing, is completely encompassed by the title "New K-series DSLR under development to be exhibited". My involvement in this discussion has not been increased by the 'raffle'; in fact, since I already have a KP and a 55-300mm lens, I am not compelled by the 'raffle' to participate.

11-02-2019, 02:06 PM	#3224
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Maybe a multi-function button of some sort depending on other settings or functions.

11-02-2019, 02:09 PM - 1 Like	#3225
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,122	Originally posted by agukha We still don't know what mechanism is activated by the mystery button ! Maybe it's for the new HyperSR® (Subject Stabilization) system that holds the subject still for the shot. Who needs lightning-fast AF or a billion frames-a-second if the camera could stabilize the subject!?!?!?!?