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10-14-2019, 08:43 AM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
I think you meant "moveable".
Sorry I posted, as my wording obviously is wrong, since this is the 2nd time you've commented on my choice of words!!

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I suspect this is not specific to France but many Pentaxians here are cheap...they don't want to pay more than €999
That's at least partly because customers who bought cameras a long time ago still have the $1000 price as reference in their minds. Those old price references are a problem after a decade of general inflation and shrinking camera market conditions. Camera companies must invest in new product features and invest in marketing to justify new price levels for cameras.
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I suspect this is not specific to France but many Pentaxians here are cheap: they want the K-New's specifications to match and even surpass those of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II and the Nikon D500 but they don't want to pay more than €999 for such a camera whereas the Canon was launched at €1,799 and the Nikon at €2,299.

When reality kicks in, they whine or shout.
What is current exchange rate? Is that at least above where KP opened?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
I suspect this is not specific to France but many Pentaxians here are cheap: they want the K-New's specifications to match and even surpass those of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II and the Nikon D500 but they don't want to pay more than €999 for such a camera whereas the Canon was launched at €1,799 and the Nikon at €2,299.

When reality kicks in, they whine or shout.
I don't feel that this is a problem in Norway. Here people are willing to pay for quality.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
I suspect this is not specific to France but many Pentaxians here are cheap: they want the K-New's specifications to match and even surpass those of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II and the Nikon D500 but they don't want to pay more than €999 for such a camera whereas the Canon was launched at €1,799 and the Nikon at €2,299.

When reality kicks in, they whine or shout.
Agreed 300%
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
I suspect this is not specific to France but many Pentaxians here are cheap: they want the K-New's specifications to match and even surpass those of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II and the Nikon D500 but they don't want to pay more than €999 for such a camera whereas the Canon was launched at €1,799 and the Nikon at €2,299.

When reality kicks in, they whine or shout.
Yeah, that’s not just France...
I think that phenomenon is common worldwide.

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Sorry I posted, as my wording obviously is wrong, since this is the 2nd time you've commented on my choice of words!!
You yourself was not sure of your choice of words:
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Simply that later bodies have had the articulated LCD. My old K10 has the stationary LCD, so maybe a poor choice of words, but an articulated screen would be an update, in my case.
I was merely pointing out that neither of the two most recent bodies {KP and K1ii} has an "articulated LCD" as most of us understands "articulated"

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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
What is current exchange rate? Is that at least above where KP opened?
Pentax KP was launched at €1,299 / $1,099.

Canon EOS 7D Mark II at €1,799 / $1,799. Nikon D500 at €2,299 / $1,999.95.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
I suspect this is not specific to France but many Pentaxians here are cheap: they want the K-New's specifications to match and even surpass those of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II and the Nikon D500 but they don't want to pay more than €999 for such a camera whereas the Canon was launched at €1,799 and the Nikon at €2,299.

When reality kicks in, they whine or shout.
Pentax enjoyed an "excellent value for money" type of image which is probably why many customers came on board. I remember K10D and k-x effects for instance.
It does not necessarily mean they are French or cheap in general but more cash conscious than some Canikon clients.
Pentax now tries to get a chunk of this value gap, KP's pricing being a good example of this increasing margin move ; imo introduction price did hurt the latter's adoption and marketers should pay more attention to client's elasticity for this new APSC launch.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Pentax KP was launched at €1,299 / $1,099.

Canon EOS 7D Mark II at €1,799 / $1,799. Nikon D500 at €2,299 / $1,999.95.
I wouldn't really go by that metric. The D500 and 7D are cameras aimed at sports photographers, emphasizing frame rate and AF speed over absolute IQ. Normally that comes with a need for fast and long lenses, which are also very expensive. A similar price point for the Pentax will be difficult to justify. Unless it has better action performance WHILE beating them in IQ (which it will, I'm sure of it) I think it won't sit well with a lot of people. Of course, before knowing specs there's no point in speculating. I still think it will be priced a bit above the K-3, so $1300-1400 and ~1500€. Definitely not $2000, that's what the K-1 was.
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I wouldn't really go by that metric. The D500 and 7D are cameras aimed at sports photographers, emphasizing frame rate and AF speed over absolute IQ. Normally that comes with a need for fast and long lenses, which are also very expensive. A similar price point for the Pentax will be difficult to justify. Unless it has better action performance WHILE beating them in IQ (which it will, I'm sure of it) I think it won't sit well with a lot of people. Of course, before knowing specs there's no point in speculating. I still think it will be priced a bit above the K-3, so $1300-1400 and ~1500€. Definitely not $2000, that's what the K-1 was.
That is precisely what I was trying to point out. The KP started off above $1000 and floated down to $800 only several years later. Anyone who thinks the new camera will start below $1200 is in for a big {unhappy} surprise.
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It definitely won't start below $1200 in the US, but there's a lot of space between that and 1800... Let's see what Ricoh/Pentax come up with and then we can complain about it being too cheap/expensive/heavy/light/whatever.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Serkevan Quote
I wouldn't really go by that metric. The D500 and 7D are cameras aimed at sports photographers, emphasizing frame rate and AF speed over absolute IQ. Normally that comes with a need for fast and long lenses, which are also very expensive. A similar price point for the Pentax will be difficult to justify. Unless it has better action performance WHILE beating them in IQ (which it will, I'm sure of it) I think it won't sit well with a lot of people. Of course, before knowing specs there's no point in speculating. I still think it will be priced a bit above the K-3, so $1300-1400 and ~1500€. Definitely not $2000, that's what the K-1 was.
I think we both say the same thing. My point was that some (many?) people are demanding the specifications of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II / Nikon D500, or maybe an updated version thereof, at the KP's price point, if not lower. This won't happen, obviously.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
I think we both say the same thing. My point was that some (many?) people are demanding the specifications of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II / Nikon D500, or maybe an updated version thereof, at the KP's price point, if not lower. This won't happen, obviously.
Ah, then it was a misunderstanding on my part; I thought you believed the K-new would be priced around the 7D/D500 price (so around $1800). I totally agree with you that asking for KP price is two or three hundred too short (potentially even a bit more depending on final specs).
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