New information about new flagship's selling date

surfar · 11-15-2019, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

so both were most likely in development simultaneously.

I doubt that too,Canon released their M/L and Dslr that were simultaneously developed at the same time.

Why delay 6 months?....they are vastly different cameras that share same sensor.

Zygonyx · 11-15-2019, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Heck, 15 fps is basically top of the line for APS-C.

Fuji X-T3 is 30 fps raw capable (electronic shutter, 1,25x crop) ; and 20 fps fps raw full 26 Mpix resolution capable (electronic shutter).

reh321 · 11-15-2019, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

February 2015, to September 2014 of the NX1... so both were most likely in development simultaneously. If you have two products almost ready for release, and you think they will sell well, there's no real reason to cancel them.

I know nothing about Samsung development, but based on my time in American industry, I'm guessing there were two different development teams which worked closely enough together that they could exchange ideas with each other. For some reason, the NX1 was finished first, so it was released first.

**Serkevan** · 11-16-2019, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I know nothing about Samsung development, but based on my time in American industry, I'm guessing there were two different development teams which worked closely enough together that they could exchange ideas with each other. For some reason, the NX1 was finished first, so it was released first.

My thoughts exactly.

---------- Post added 11-16-19 at 02:04 AM ----------

Originally posted by surfar

I doubt that too,Canon released their M/L and Dslr that were simultaneously developed at the same time.

Why delay 6 months?....they are vastly different cameras that share same sensor.

"Simultaneously" meaning "In parallel", not that the teams finished the same day. The alternative is having the NX500 go from "no specs defined" to completion in about 5 months.

---------- Post added 11-16-19 at 02:22 AM ----------

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Fuji X-T3 is 30 fps raw capable (electronic shutter, 1,25x crop) ; and 20 fps fps raw full 26 Mpix resolution capable (electronic shutter).

True, but the NX1 has, from what I see, 15 fps with mechanical shutter (plus 40 RAW buffer), which is significantly higher than the X-T3's 11 fps and 36 RAW.

surfar · 11-16-2019, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I know nothing about Samsung development,

Yes

Originally posted by reh321

I'm guessing

Yes

Originally posted by Serkevan

exactly.

No

**Serkevan** · 11-16-2019, 04:14 AM - **1 Like**

Did you forget to read the "my thoughts" part or are you being contrarian for the sake of it? I was agreeing in that, from my own experience, development cycles of similar products overlap a lot.

**mlt** · 11-16-2019, 07:38 AM

Have there been any hints, patents, or other news about Samsung developing a new apsc sensor beyond the capabilities of the one in the NX1 in the past 3 years? I still think it would be a major surprise if we don’t see a Sony sensor in the new K.

thibs · 11-16-2019, 10:28 AM - **1 Like**

Let's add the fact that Samsung is closing its Exynos SOC division.

**Serkevan** · 11-16-2019, 10:45 AM

The only possibility would be if Samsung somehow kept a bunch of sensors around, which is anyway unlikely. We'll see soon enough, anyway.

Kunzite · 11-16-2019, 02:11 PM

We'll see... what?
The Samsung sensor theory, just like "Ricoh/Nikon/someone will save Samsung!", is nothing more than wet dreaming... the hope that, somehow, a completely unrealistic option might solve all of Pentax' (or Samsung's/whatever's) issues.
It doesn't work like that in the real life. And the old Samsung sensor isn't that special anymore.

**Serkevan** · 11-16-2019, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

We'll see... what?

Whether it is the good old 24 MP sensor, a 26 MP one, or something that we haven't thought about. Fun speculation and banter is wet dreaming now? Come on, don't take it so seriously

Originally posted by Kunzite

"Ricoh/Nikon/someone will save Samsung!"

Samsung doesn't really need any saving, now does it? They probably decided that focusing on smartphone cameras was the way to go, which is not necessarily a bad decision.

Kunzite · 11-16-2019, 02:31 PM

No, just thinking they'd get some Samsung tech and all will be magically solved

As long as it doesn't involve magic, speculation is fine I'd guess...

**TwoUptons** · 11-16-2019, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

No, just thinking they'd get some Samsung tech and all will be magically solved

As long as it doesn't involve magic, speculation is fine I'd guess...

So far, I haven’t heard anyone mention the sensor on the Argus used in the Harry Potter films, so I think we’re good.

I’m a bit skeptical that a five-year-old Samsung sensor from a product line that’s been ended would a great choice, even if it were available.

It would have to meet a high threshold for dynamic range and high-iso sensitivity, in addition to being fast and having a few more megapixels.

That said, it would be OK to be surprised with something better than I expect...

-Eric

thibs · 11-17-2019, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Samsung doesn't really need any saving, now does it? They probably decided that focusing on smartphone cameras was the way to go, which is not necessarily a bad decision.

Even in the smartphone business, they closed their custom SOC division. So the supposedly magical sensor+SOC combination is dead.

Kunzite · 11-17-2019, 02:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by thibs

Even in the smartphone business, they closed their custom SOC division. So the supposedly magical sensor+SOC combination is dead.

Necromancy is a form of magic.

11-15-2019, 08:17 PM	#437
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Serkevan Heck, 15 fps is basically top of the line for APS-C. Fuji X-T3 is 30 fps raw capable (electronic shutter, 1,25x crop) ; and 20 fps fps raw full 26 Mpix resolution capable (electronic shutter). Last edited by Zygonyx; 11-15-2019 at 08:24 PM.

11-16-2019, 02:28 PM	#446
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Kunzite We'll see... what? Whether it is the good old 24 MP sensor, a 26 MP one, or something that we haven't thought about. Fun speculation and banter is wet dreaming now? Come on, don't take it so seriously Originally posted by Kunzite "Ricoh/Nikon/someone will save Samsung!" Samsung doesn't really need any saving, now does it? They probably decided that focusing on smartphone cameras was the way to go, which is not necessarily a bad decision. Last edited by Serkevan; 11-16-2019 at 02:41 PM.

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11-15-2019, 05:29 PM	#436
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by Serkevan so both were most likely in development simultaneously. I doubt that too,Canon released their M/L and Dslr that were simultaneously developed at the same time. Why delay 6 months?....they are vastly different cameras that share same sensor.

11-15-2019, 09:30 PM	#438
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Serkevan February 2015, to September 2014 of the NX1... so both were most likely in development simultaneously. If you have two products almost ready for release, and you think they will sell well, there's no real reason to cancel them. I know nothing about Samsung development, but based on my time in American industry, I'm guessing there were two different development teams which worked closely enough together that they could exchange ideas with each other. For some reason, the NX1 was finished first, so it was released first.

11-16-2019, 02:02 AM	#439
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by reh321 I know nothing about Samsung development, but based on my time in American industry, I'm guessing there were two different development teams which worked closely enough together that they could exchange ideas with each other. For some reason, the NX1 was finished first, so it was released first. My thoughts exactly. ---------- Post added 11-16-19 at 02:04 AM ---------- Originally posted by surfar I doubt that too,Canon released their M/L and Dslr that were simultaneously developed at the same time. Why delay 6 months?....they are vastly different cameras that share same sensor. "Simultaneously" meaning "In parallel", not that the teams finished the same day. The alternative is having the NX500 go from "no specs defined" to completion in about 5 months. ---------- Post added 11-16-19 at 02:22 AM ---------- Originally posted by Zygonyx Fuji X-T3 is 30 fps raw capable (electronic shutter, 1,25x crop) ; and 20 fps fps raw full 26 Mpix resolution capable (electronic shutter). True, but the NX1 has, from what I see, 15 fps with mechanical shutter (plus 40 RAW buffer), which is significantly higher than the X-T3's 11 fps and 36 RAW.

11-16-2019, 04:05 AM	#440
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by reh321 I know nothing about Samsung development, Yes Originally posted by reh321 I'm guessing Yes Originally posted by Serkevan exactly. No

11-16-2019, 04:14 AM - 1 Like	#441
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Did you forget to read the "my thoughts" part or are you being contrarian for the sake of it? I was agreeing in that, from my own experience, development cycles of similar products overlap a lot.

11-16-2019, 07:38 AM	#442
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Have there been any hints, patents, or other news about Samsung developing a new apsc sensor beyond the capabilities of the one in the NX1 in the past 3 years? I still think it would be a major surprise if we don’t see a Sony sensor in the new K.

11-16-2019, 10:28 AM - 1 Like	#443
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Let's add the fact that Samsung is closing its Exynos SOC division.

11-16-2019, 10:45 AM	#444
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	The only possibility would be if Samsung somehow kept a bunch of sensors around, which is anyway unlikely. We'll see soon enough, anyway.

11-16-2019, 02:11 PM	#445
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	We'll see... what? The Samsung sensor theory, just like "Ricoh/Nikon/someone will save Samsung!", is nothing more than wet dreaming... the hope that, somehow, a completely unrealistic option might solve all of Pentax' (or Samsung's/whatever's) issues. It doesn't work like that in the real life. And the old Samsung sensor isn't that special anymore.

11-16-2019, 02:31 PM	#447
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	No, just thinking they'd get some Samsung tech and all will be magically solved As long as it doesn't involve magic, speculation is fine I'd guess...

11-16-2019, 02:42 PM	#448
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,214	Originally posted by Kunzite No, just thinking they'd get some Samsung tech and all will be magically solved As long as it doesn't involve magic, speculation is fine I'd guess... So far, I haven’t heard anyone mention the sensor on the Argus used in the Harry Potter films, so I think we’re good. I’m a bit skeptical that a five-year-old Samsung sensor from a product line that’s been ended would a great choice, even if it were available. It would have to meet a high threshold for dynamic range and high-iso sensitivity, in addition to being fast and having a few more megapixels. That said, it would be OK to be surprised with something better than I expect... -Eric

11-17-2019, 01:46 PM	#449
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Serkevan Samsung doesn't really need any saving, now does it? They probably decided that focusing on smartphone cameras was the way to go, which is not necessarily a bad decision. Even in the smartphone business, they closed their custom SOC division. So the supposedly magical sensor+SOC combination is dead.

11-17-2019, 02:08 PM - 1 Like	#450
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by thibs Even in the smartphone business, they closed their custom SOC division. So the supposedly magical sensor+SOC combination is dead. Necromancy is a form of magic.