New information about new flagship's selling date

Karen the Star · 12-12-2019, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by lsimpkins

Sorry to hear that you needed to leave "mothership" Pentax. At some point in the future I hope that the Pentax ecosystem is sufficiently fleshed out to lure you back.

In the mean time, thank you for your information dumps and we look forward to further information that you're able to share.

I don's mean I gave up, still KP is my sub-camera, and I keep using it all the time

only when I need to take some picture with high-speed response and reaction I will take Z7

**Cerebum** · 12-14-2019, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

The top dial for still, LiveView and video replaces the lever beneath the dial on the KP.

Logic suggests: the controls on the former dial will be handled by the new S.Fn button and the larger LCD; tapping the button will scroll through Functions; using the third wheel will modify settings for each function.

I love the retro look of the wheels on the KP. One VERY minor niggle is the empty space on the third wheel. The K1 has lots of options on the top wheel, the KP, has some but three clustered together looks a bit half assed

**monochrome** · 12-14-2019, 07:04 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Cerebum

I love the retro look of the wheels on the KP. One VERY minor niggle is the empty space on the third wheel. The K1 has lots of options on the top wheel, the KP, has some but three clustered together looks a bit half assed

Perhaps the additional control spots are blank to support a surprise, the way the button on the upper left is blank.

**TwoUptons** · 12-14-2019, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Perhaps the additional control spots are blank to support a surprise, the way the button on the upper left is blank.

That’s my hope...

-Eric

**Cerebum** · 12-14-2019, 08:17 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

Perhaps the additional control spots are blank to support a surprise, the way the button on the upper left is blank.

Aaaaaaah, secret options

they could just fill it with u1/2 /3 I guess

I do like the feature on the KP

**lsimpkins** · 12-14-2019, 08:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

Perhaps the additional control spots are blank to support a surprise, the way the button on the upper left is blank.

Yes, if all the detents had been labeled, it would have given everything away. Perhaps in addition to the OVF/LV/Video, there might be EVF, HVF, and some other combinations of shooting modes.
I can't believe that a rotary knob would be used with only three closely spaced detents even if it would work ergonomically.

**microlight** · 12-14-2019, 09:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Cerebum

they could just fill it with u1/2 /3 I guess

There are already U1-5 on the mode dial. But I like the thought of switchable options for OVF vs hybrid EVF on the extra dial. Now here's a thought - if as lsimpkins noted there were to be an EVF mode, then what if the power-off mode was mirror up rather than mirror down, and the OVF view required power to put the mirror down into the 'usual' position? In this way, the mirror would already be up for LiveView and video positions. Just a thought.

**mlt** · 12-14-2019, 09:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by microlight

There are already U1-5 on the mode dial. But I like the thought of switchable options for OVF vs hybrid EVF on the extra dial. Now here's a thought - if as lsimpkins noted there were to be an EVF mode, then what if the power-off mode was mirror up rather than mirror down, and the OVF view required power to put the mirror down into the 'usual' position? In this way, the mirror would already be up for LiveView and video positions. Just a thought.

That would be an interesting concept and might even be doable if the vf is a hybrid combination. Pentax could chalk up another first in the industry that would be even more noticeable than being the only one to use ibis for other things (shift, anti-alias, and astro-tracer).

MossFrog · 12-14-2019, 12:02 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by panonski

in photography terms, flash is far more usefull unit, I think majority of users can agree on that point....

--
I was nevere ever neded GPS - while flash is need...

I use it numerous times, just to optically triger another slave flash unit. - or when I wanted to enlight poor light situation.
--
This photo here is with pop up flash.and K-3 .. Not much PP here, but you can clearly se, how flash pop up her eyes, and not harsh ruined the atmosphere, which remains intact, and actually improved - because she is standing in shadow, while sun is lightning her other side of body and the hair.
--
It was intent use of flash - where I just wanted it to be this way. I wanted that sun glow in hair, but also wanted the light on her face.
--
I think it's a good example why the flash is useful - when you know how to well use it.
--
It's a criple pop up flash, but as you can see - well used here.

--
f 4.5 ISO 100 Shutter speed 1/90 sec

Depends what you do. I always have at least one external flash and absolutely rely on gps for recording locality of pictures with scientific value.

reh321 · 12-14-2019, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by MossFrog

Depends what you do. I always have at least one external flash and absolutely rely on gps for recording locality of pictures with scientific value.

Yes, it depends on you. Going back to the Age of Film, when my camera had neither, I carried a flash and I recorded externally location if it was important. I still think internal flash is useless in most cases, for "amateurs" wanting to mark important event too far away to lit by flash anyway.

photoptimist · 12-14-2019, 01:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by microlight

There are already U1-5 on the mode dial. But I like the thought of switchable options for OVF vs hybrid EVF on the extra dial. Now here's a thought - if as lsimpkins noted there were to be an EVF mode, then what if the power-off mode was mirror up rather than mirror down, and the OVF view required power to put the mirror down into the 'usual' position? In this way, the mirror would already be up for LiveView and video positions. Just a thought.

It's a nice idea but it should be user-controlled whether the camera has mirror-up or mirror-down when off.

One of the huge advantages of a DSLR over MILC is you can look through the viewfinder WITHOUT having to turn on the camera. It a nice feature to take a quick peek at the framing of a scene and to decide focal length. But that feature requires the mirror to be down when the camera is off.

Others who want the silent photography experience would want to set the camera for mirror-up when off. They'd have the camera in hybrid-EVF of LV mode which would keep the mirror up even when switched off.

jeallen01 · 12-14-2019, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

Is this the new Pentax video meme in the make?

ber-car/]Is This Car Loaded with 3000 Lbs. of Building Supplies?

Not sure if that might have been "trumped" (NOTE: no "T" in that word!) since it was posted - but just go visit somewhere like Thailand/Cambodia (etc.!) and you'll probably see a lot of "vehicles loaded like that" - almost on a daily basis - outside the large towns/cities (might dig up one or two pics tomorrow!)

MikeyBugs95 · 12-14-2019, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by photoptimist

It's a nice idea but it should be user-controlled whether the camera has mirror-up or mirror-down when off.

One of the huge advantages of a DSLR over MILC is you can look through the viewfinder WITHOUT having to turn on the camera. It a nice feature to take a quick peek at the framing of a scene and to decide focal length. But that feature requires the mirror to be down when the camera is off.

Others who want the silent photography experience would want to set the camera for mirror-up when off. They'd have the camera in hybrid-EVF of LV mode which would keep the mirror up even when switched off.

I would assume that the mirror would reset to down when powered off much like it does in LV mode.

reh321 · 12-14-2019, 04:25 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MikeyBugs95

I would assume that the mirror would reset to down when powered off much like it does in LV mode.

Both my KP and my K-30 do lower the mirror when powered off. If I understand correctly, the idea is that the camera would be quieter if the mirror could {optionally, under menu control} stay up on power off / power on.

**Cerebum** · 12-15-2019, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Yes, it depends on you. Going back to the Age of Film, when my camera had neither, I carried a flash and I recorded externally location if it was important. I still think internal flash is useless in most cases, for "amateurs" wanting to mark important event too far away to lit by flash anyway.

I agree re flash being not good enough for anyone bar a beginner, and hopeless for anything more than a few feet away. It is however useful for triggering off camera speedlights and I have used mine a few times for subtle additional lighting so I wouldn't like to see it go. This is current personal preference though, which is subject to change

12-14-2019, 02:44 PM	#807
jeallen01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2008 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,697	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd Is this the new Pentax video meme in the make? ber-car/]Is This Car Loaded with 3000 Lbs. of Building Supplies? Not sure if that might have been "trumped" (NOTE: no "T" in that word!) since it was posted - but just go visit somewhere like Thailand/Cambodia (etc.!) and you'll probably see a lot of "vehicles loaded like that" - almost on a daily basis - outside the large towns/cities (might dig up one or two pics tomorrow!) Last edited by jeallen01; 12-14-2019 at 02:57 PM.

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12-12-2019, 02:28 AM	#796
Karen the Star Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Sapporo, Hokkaido Posts: 150 Original Poster	Originally posted by lsimpkins Sorry to hear that you needed to leave "mothership" Pentax. At some point in the future I hope that the Pentax ecosystem is sufficiently fleshed out to lure you back. In the mean time, thank you for your information dumps and we look forward to further information that you're able to share. I don's mean I gave up, still KP is my sub-camera, and I keep using it all the time only when I need to take some picture with high-speed response and reaction I will take Z7

12-14-2019, 01:29 AM	#797
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Originally posted by monochrome The top dial for still, LiveView and video replaces the lever beneath the dial on the KP. Logic suggests: the controls on the former dial will be handled by the new S.Fn button and the larger LCD; tapping the button will scroll through Functions; using the third wheel will modify settings for each function. I love the retro look of the wheels on the KP. One VERY minor niggle is the empty space on the third wheel. The K1 has lots of options on the top wheel, the KP, has some but three clustered together looks a bit half assed

12-14-2019, 07:04 AM - 1 Like	#798
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Cerebum I love the retro look of the wheels on the KP. One VERY minor niggle is the empty space on the third wheel. The K1 has lots of options on the top wheel, the KP, has some but three clustered together looks a bit half assed Perhaps the additional control spots are blank to support a surprise, the way the button on the upper left is blank.

12-14-2019, 08:01 AM	#799
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,214	Originally posted by monochrome Perhaps the additional control spots are blank to support a surprise, the way the button on the upper left is blank. That’s my hope... -Eric

12-14-2019, 08:17 AM - 1 Like	#800
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Originally posted by monochrome Perhaps the additional control spots are blank to support a surprise, the way the button on the upper left is blank. Aaaaaaah, secret options they could just fill it with u1/2 /3 I guess I do like the feature on the KP

12-14-2019, 08:22 AM - 1 Like	#801
lsimpkins Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: SE Pennsylvania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 537	Originally posted by monochrome Perhaps the additional control spots are blank to support a surprise, the way the button on the upper left is blank. Yes, if all the detents had been labeled, it would have given everything away. Perhaps in addition to the OVF/LV/Video, there might be EVF, HVF, and some other combinations of shooting modes. I can't believe that a rotary knob would be used with only three closely spaced detents even if it would work ergonomically.

12-14-2019, 09:37 AM - 1 Like	#802
microlight Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,129	Originally posted by Cerebum they could just fill it with u1/2 /3 I guess There are already U1-5 on the mode dial. But I like the thought of switchable options for OVF vs hybrid EVF on the extra dial. Now here's a thought - if as lsimpkins noted there were to be an EVF mode, then what if the power-off mode was mirror up rather than mirror down, and the OVF view required power to put the mirror down into the 'usual' position? In this way, the mirror would already be up for LiveView and video positions. Just a thought.

12-14-2019, 09:45 AM - 1 Like	#803
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Originally posted by microlight There are already U1-5 on the mode dial. But I like the thought of switchable options for OVF vs hybrid EVF on the extra dial. Now here's a thought - if as lsimpkins noted there were to be an EVF mode, then what if the power-off mode was mirror up rather than mirror down, and the OVF view required power to put the mirror down into the 'usual' position? In this way, the mirror would already be up for LiveView and video positions. Just a thought. That would be an interesting concept and might even be doable if the vf is a hybrid combination. Pentax could chalk up another first in the industry that would be even more noticeable than being the only one to use ibis for other things (shift, anti-alias, and astro-tracer).

12-14-2019, 12:02 PM - 1 Like	#804
MossFrog New Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 16	Originally posted by panonski in photography terms, flash is far more usefull unit, I think majority of users can agree on that point.... -- I was nevere ever neded GPS - while flash is need... I use it numerous times, just to optically triger another slave flash unit. - or when I wanted to enlight poor light situation. -- This photo here is with pop up flash.and K-3 .. Not much PP here, but you can clearly se, how flash pop up her eyes, and not harsh ruined the atmosphere, which remains intact, and actually improved - because she is standing in shadow, while sun is lightning her other side of body and the hair. -- It was intent use of flash - where I just wanted it to be this way. I wanted that sun glow in hair, but also wanted the light on her face. -- I think it's a good example why the flash is useful - when you know how to well use it. -- It's a criple pop up flash, but as you can see - well used here. -- f 4.5 ISO 100 Shutter speed 1/90 sec Depends what you do. I always have at least one external flash and absolutely rely on gps for recording locality of pictures with scientific value.

12-14-2019, 12:23 PM	#805
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by MossFrog Depends what you do. I always have at least one external flash and absolutely rely on gps for recording locality of pictures with scientific value. Yes, it depends on you. Going back to the Age of Film, when my camera had neither, I carried a flash and I recorded externally location if it was important. I still think internal flash is useless in most cases, for "amateurs" wanting to mark important event too far away to lit by flash anyway.

12-14-2019, 01:55 PM - 1 Like	#806
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Originally posted by microlight There are already U1-5 on the mode dial. But I like the thought of switchable options for OVF vs hybrid EVF on the extra dial. Now here's a thought - if as lsimpkins noted there were to be an EVF mode, then what if the power-off mode was mirror up rather than mirror down, and the OVF view required power to put the mirror down into the 'usual' position? In this way, the mirror would already be up for LiveView and video positions. Just a thought. It's a nice idea but it should be user-controlled whether the camera has mirror-up or mirror-down when off. One of the huge advantages of a DSLR over MILC is you can look through the viewfinder WITHOUT having to turn on the camera. It a nice feature to take a quick peek at the framing of a scene and to decide focal length. But that feature requires the mirror to be down when the camera is off. Others who want the silent photography experience would want to set the camera for mirror-up when off. They'd have the camera in hybrid-EVF of LV mode which would keep the mirror up even when switched off.

12-14-2019, 03:23 PM	#808
MikeyBugs95 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,206	Originally posted by photoptimist It's a nice idea but it should be user-controlled whether the camera has mirror-up or mirror-down when off. One of the huge advantages of a DSLR over MILC is you can look through the viewfinder WITHOUT having to turn on the camera. It a nice feature to take a quick peek at the framing of a scene and to decide focal length. But that feature requires the mirror to be down when the camera is off. Others who want the silent photography experience would want to set the camera for mirror-up when off. They'd have the camera in hybrid-EVF of LV mode which would keep the mirror up even when switched off. I would assume that the mirror would reset to down when powered off much like it does in LV mode.

12-14-2019, 04:25 PM - 1 Like	#809
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by MikeyBugs95 I would assume that the mirror would reset to down when powered off much like it does in LV mode. Both my KP and my K-30 do lower the mirror when powered off. If I understand correctly, the idea is that the camera would be quieter if the mirror could {optionally, under menu control} stay up on power off / power on.

12-15-2019, 03:37 AM	#810
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Originally posted by reh321 Yes, it depends on you. Going back to the Age of Film, when my camera had neither, I carried a flash and I recorded externally location if it was important. I still think internal flash is useless in most cases, for "amateurs" wanting to mark important event too far away to lit by flash anyway. I agree re flash being not good enough for anyone bar a beginner, and hopeless for anything more than a few feet away. It is however useful for triggering off camera speedlights and I have used mine a few times for subtle additional lighting so I wouldn't like to see it go. This is current personal preference though, which is subject to change