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01-04-2020, 01:47 PM - 2 Likes   #1096
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Both rumours emanate from Kimio Tanaka.

In November he thought and wrote in his blog that the camera should be available at the beginning of summer. On the 31st of December he twitted that the camera could be released later than that, after summer.
So, any "delay" could be in his head??

As far as I know, Ricoh has never made any promises.

01-04-2020, 01:49 PM   #1097
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
The Sony 26.3 mp sensor is used by Fujifilm in their X-T3, X-T30 and X-Pro3 cameras.
I remember that now that you mention it. So relatively new to the market sensor.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
This is all speculation that:
  1. there will be a delay (the source is Kimio Tanaka first thinking that the camera would be available by next summer, then thinking that it wouldn't) and
  2. if there is indeed any delay (in comparison to internal programming, because no launch date has been announce yet), that it could be due to partly redesigning the camera to include a flip screen.
And we really needed more baseless, senseless speculation

Missing estimates usually don't mean anything but that more hard work is needed to finish than the estimate.
But we don't know if the camera missed an internal estimate, or some kind of deadline at all.
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I remember that now that you mention it. So relatively new to the market sensor.
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You're welcome.

'Relatively' new indeed: the Fujifilm X-T3 will be almost two years old when the K-New will be available.

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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
So, any "delay" could be in his head??

As far as I know, Ricoh has never made any promises.
More an internal rescheduling indeed since no estimated launch or availability date has ever been published by Ricoh.

But more than 'in his head' too: Tanaka-san is very well connected.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
But more than 'in his head' too: Tanaka-san is very well connected.
That means nothing, unless he hinted at some planned release date. AFAIK, he didn't.
Yes, well connected people have wishes, too.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
You're welcome.

'Relatively' new indeed: the Fujifilm X-T3 will be almost two years old when the K-New will be available.
I like newly developed less than 2 years ago.


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I do not buy K1 because I own much great lenses for aps-c. The K1 is not expensive, but we need lenses, too.

I don't think about delay.
First someone told us Pentax will go out of cameras. Then pentax present the new one.

I wait for February. Because is my birthday.
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That means nothing, unless he hinted at some planned release date. AFAIK, he didn't.
Yes, well connected people have wishes, too.
On the 4th of November Kimio Tanaka hinted at a probable release in summer 2020 if the development were to be going as planned: 発売時期は(開発が順調に進んでいるとして)、おそらく来年の夏頃になるでしょうね。

Source: Photo of the Day 11月4日

On the 31st of December he wrote that he formerly hoped that the lens would be released before summer and now expects it to be a bit behind schedule and not to be ready for launch in summer.

Source: Twitter

Therefore there appears to be a first schedule (summer 2020), a wish (before summer) and a second schedule (after summer), which can hardly be described as a wish.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
On the 4th of November Kimio Tanaka hinted at a probable release in summer 2020 if the development were to be going as planned: 発売時期は(開発が順調に進んでいるとして)、おそらく来年の夏頃になるでしょうね。

Source: Photo of the Day 11月4日

On the 31st of December he wrote that he formerly hoped that the lens would be released before summer and now expects it to be a bit behind schedule and not to be ready for launch in summer.

Source: Twitter

Therefore there appears to be a first schedule (summer 2020), a wish (before summer) and a second schedule (after summer), which can hardly be described as a wish.
A hope which is the way he first described it and a company-announced schedule are not at all the same thing. If anything a hope and wish are more alike. Just sayin'. You can't say the camera is behind schedule unless you know what Ricoh's schedule is.

We saw the last new Pentax APS-C three years ago. An extra month or two now doesn't much matter. I can be patient and I hope you can too. Now if it looks like it's slipping into 2021 I'd be a bit concerned.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gatorguy Quote
(...) If anything a hope and wish are more alike. Just sayin'. (...)
Indeed, this is why I wrote:
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
(...) On the 31st of December he wrote that he formerly hoped that the lens would be released before summer and now expects it to be a bit behind schedule and not to be ready for launch in summer.

(...)

Therefore there appears to be a first schedule (summer 2020), a wish (before summer) and a second schedule (after summer), which can hardly be described as a wish.

QuoteOriginally posted by gatorguy Quote
(...) You can't say the camera is behind schedule unless you know what Ricoh's schedule is.
Indeed, this is why I wrote:
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
More an internal rescheduling indeed since no estimated launch or availability date has ever been published by Ricoh.

(...)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
^ Nor am I saying so. I wrote:
Cool! So we're actually on the same page. As we were....
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
On the 4th of November Kimio Tanaka hinted at a probable release in summer 2020 if the development were to be going as planned: 発売時期は(開発が順調に進んでいるとして)、おそらく来年の夏頃になるでしょうね。

Source: Photo of the Day 11月4日

On the 31st of December he wrote that he formerly hoped that the lens would be released before summer and now expects it to be a bit behind schedule and not to be ready for launch in summer.

Source: Twitter

Therefore there appears to be a first schedule (summer 2020), a wish (before summer) and a second schedule (after summer), which can hardly be described as a wish.
I appreciate that you provide your sources, but has anyone knowledgeable translated the Japanese?
Bing gives me:
It is the highest model of PENTAX that is scheduled to be released next year, but Although I was hoping that it would be released before the summer, I was a little more off than the schedule, and I don't have any premonitions that it will probably be too summer.
I'm going to go out, say, it's hard to come out "Wolf Boy PENTAX" face to face? Do I have to be patient and wait? https://twitter.com/thisistanaka/status/1211970207356350465/photo/1

As far as I understand he says he does not have any reassurance/hints/idea that it would be summer. He seems to express his discomfort with a lack of information for any date. Since "in 2020" is the last official statement, it's just no new information coming from Ricoh directly. Whoever wants to read a delay from these statements might do it, but I would have expected a confirmed date first, and a deviation of that would be a delay.

Edit:
hypothetical information flow:
Company: it will be released in 2020
Insider: will it be before summer?
C: No, it will not be before summer
I: Can you confirm release for summer
C: We cant confirm release for summer

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If memory serves, Pentax cameras have often release in early May, late August and around Thanksgiving.
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If memory serves, Pentax cameras have often release in early May, late August and around Thanksgiving.
Announcement dates:
  • January: Q10 Evangelion (2013), KP (2017)
  • February: K-01 (2012), K-S2 (2015), K-1 (2016), K-1 Mark II (2018)
  • March: K-5 Silver Special Edition (2012)
  • April: K-30 in nine colours (2013), 645Z (2014), K-3 II (2015)
  • May: K-30 (2012), Q7 Crystal Red, Crystal Blue and Crystal White (2014)
  • June: Q7 (2013), K-500 (2013), K-50 (2013), K-70 (2016), KP J Limited Black & Gold and Dark Night Navy (2019)
  • July: K-3 Prestige Edition (2014), KP IR (2019)
  • August: Q-S1 (2014), K-S1 (2014), K-1 Limited Silver (2017)
  • September: K-5 II and K-5 IIs (2012), Q10 (2012)
  • October: K-3 (2013), K-S1 Sweets Collection (2014)
  • November: 645Z IR (2015)
  • December: nil.
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