New information about new flagship's selling date

**microlight** · 12-09-2019, 05:37 AM

Yes, it's a puzzle. When we see the final iteration though, we'll think 'of course - why didn't I think of that before!'.

**Serkevan** · 12-09-2019, 05:58 AM

Absolutely, in that regard I am also surprised (and hope for the hybrid VF). It's weird to have a dial there.

Karen the Star · 12-09-2019, 06:32 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Mistral75

^ That's odd, I was told the contrary during the 100th anniversary meeting in Paris: working sample, functional if a bit rough on the edges because of preliminary firmware.

No needs to be worry, when it comes, it comes I think,
and I will participate CP+2020 in Yokohama, just wait my report I will bring useful information

Kunzite · 12-09-2019, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Karen the Star

No needs to be worry, when it comes, it comes I think,
and I will participate CP+2020 in Yokohama, just wait my report I will bring useful information

I can't wait.

bobmaxja · 12-09-2019, 08:07 AM

The inside and firmware could be unfinished otherwise this would on sales as of now but the body it's the final design with final mold. This is still a prototype and in our terminlogy a preproduction sample.

Peoples who expect that the LV screen would be articulated will be very disapointed.

BlackTea · 12-09-2019, 08:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by TwoUptons

Seems a waste of a dial to only put three things on it right next to each other... a three-position slider would have saved space...
I was hoping the rest of the dial's functionality was simply hidden or not entirely determined, hence only having three icons...

Ah, well.

-Eric

The more I look at that, the more I think that it is a very good design. Pentax know how to make their products easy to use.

There is mirrorless hype right now.
What Pentax is missing from mirrorless (in hardware):
- EVF
- short flange focal distance

Short flange focal distance means different mount, new lenses, hard to build converter.
That would anger customers. So it would be a very bold move with stagnating photo market.

EVF - is had for some and a must for the others, but what we need is a hybrid viewfinder., so we can use EVF/OVF depending of the need to do so.
Not EVF vs OVF but EVF or OVF when needed. Best of both worlds.

Now look at that wheel:

Normal photography - OVF.
Live view - EVF or screen.
Film mode - EVF or screen.

No need to add anything more to the wheel. It makes sense.
Easier to use that just a slider (with the gloves).

For me it would make perfect sense to be the wheel that we will use with hybrid viewfinder.
I just hope I'm not wrong.

Karen the Star · 12-09-2019, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I can't wait.

me too, that's why I bought Z7

Kunzite · 12-09-2019, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Karen the Star

me too, that's why I bought Z7

I can't wait to hear your report, I mean.
I can still wait for the next K-1 and future lenses... assuming it won't be decades.

**monochrome** · 12-09-2019, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by TwoUptons

Seems a waste of a dial to only put three things on it right next to each other... a three-position slider would have saved space...
I was hoping the rest of the dial's functionality was simply hidden or not entirely determined, hence only having three icons...

Ah, well.

-Eric

Heh - sure, there might be a function or two not printed on that dial so they will stay a secret. What do you think they might be? Maybe something to do with the unlabeled button on the upper left and the (apparent) sensor below the viewfinder exit pupil?

**TwoUptons** · 12-09-2019, 04:38 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

Heh - sure, there might be a function or two not printed on that dial so they will stay a secret. What do you think they might be? Maybe something to do with the unlabeled button on the upper left and the (apparent) sensor below the viewfinder exit pupil?

Based on my current camera*, it will allow unlabeled access to 1/1000 shutter speed if nothing else

-Eric

*H1a

fsge · 12-10-2019, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by Karen the Star

I'm in Sapporo 100 anniversary meeting, and I asked almost what I want to know all

They tell me this can not be turned on because of that, it's a highly finished model but can not work actually.

Thank you KAren, I first thought it was visible from outside and was a bit lost !

Zygonyx · 12-10-2019, 07:19 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Serkevan

Absolutely, in that regard I am also surprised (and hope for the hybrid VF). It's weird to have a dial there.

We could actually have these 5 functions altogether on the new "shooting assistance dial" :

- photo using OVF
- photo using HVF
- photo in LV using rear ACL
- film using rear ACL
- film using HVF

And Pentax would even more deserve it's brand name

**lsimpkins** · 12-10-2019, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Karen the Star

me too, that's why I bought Z7

Sorry to hear that you needed to leave "mothership" Pentax. At some point in the future I hope that the Pentax ecosystem is sufficiently fleshed out to lure you back.

In the mean time, thank you for your information dumps and we look forward to further information that you're able to share.

dicki · 12-10-2019, 10:08 AM

we have to wait. There are no new information.

yorik · 12-10-2019, 10:30 AM

After PF shut down the last K-new-speculation-thread, I assumed that would be it. Paint me naive.

12-09-2019, 08:20 AM - 1 Like	#786
BlackTea Junior Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 41	Originally posted by TwoUptons Seems a waste of a dial to only put three things on it right next to each other... a three-position slider would have saved space... I was hoping the rest of the dial's functionality was simply hidden or not entirely determined, hence only having three icons... Ah, well. -Eric The more I look at that, the more I think that it is a very good design. Pentax know how to make their products easy to use. There is mirrorless hype right now. What Pentax is missing from mirrorless (in hardware): - EVF - short flange focal distance Short flange focal distance means different mount, new lenses, hard to build converter. That would anger customers. So it would be a very bold move with stagnating photo market. EVF - is had for some and a must for the others, but what we need is a hybrid viewfinder., so we can use EVF/OVF depending of the need to do so. Not EVF vs OVF but EVF or OVF when needed. Best of both worlds. Now look at that wheel: Normal photography - OVF. Live view - EVF or screen. Film mode - EVF or screen. No need to add anything more to the wheel. It makes sense. Easier to use that just a slider (with the gloves). For me it would make perfect sense to be the wheel that we will use with hybrid viewfinder. I just hope I'm not wrong.

12-09-2019, 04:38 PM - 1 Like	#790
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,207	Originally posted by monochrome Heh - sure, there might be a function or two not printed on that dial so they will stay a secret. What do you think they might be? Maybe something to do with the unlabeled button on the upper left and the (apparent) sensor below the viewfinder exit pupil? Based on my current camera, it will allow unlabeled access to 1/1000 shutter speed if nothing else -Eric H1a Last edited by TwoUptons; 12-09-2019 at 04:50 PM.

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12-09-2019, 05:37 AM	#781
microlight Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,129	Yes, it's a puzzle. When we see the final iteration though, we'll think 'of course - why didn't I think of that before!'.

12-09-2019, 05:58 AM	#782
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Absolutely, in that regard I am also surprised (and hope for the hybrid VF). It's weird to have a dial there.

12-09-2019, 06:32 AM - 2 Likes	#783
Karen the Star Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Sapporo, Hokkaido Posts: 150 Original Poster	Originally posted by Mistral75 ^ That's odd, I was told the contrary during the 100th anniversary meeting in Paris: working sample, functional if a bit rough on the edges because of preliminary firmware. No needs to be worry, when it comes, it comes I think, and I will participate CP+2020 in Yokohama, just wait my report I will bring useful information

12-09-2019, 08:03 AM	#784
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Karen the Star No needs to be worry, when it comes, it comes I think, and I will participate CP+2020 in Yokohama, just wait my report I will bring useful information I can't wait.

12-09-2019, 08:07 AM	#785
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	The inside and firmware could be unfinished otherwise this would on sales as of now but the body it's the final design with final mold. This is still a prototype and in our terminlogy a preproduction sample. Peoples who expect that the LV screen would be articulated will be very disapointed.

12-09-2019, 08:33 AM	#787
Karen the Star Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Sapporo, Hokkaido Posts: 150 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite I can't wait. me too, that's why I bought Z7

12-09-2019, 09:06 AM	#788
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Karen the Star me too, that's why I bought Z7 I can't wait to hear your report, I mean. I can still wait for the next K-1 and future lenses... assuming it won't be decades.

12-09-2019, 04:10 PM	#789
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by TwoUptons Seems a waste of a dial to only put three things on it right next to each other... a three-position slider would have saved space... I was hoping the rest of the dial's functionality was simply hidden or not entirely determined, hence only having three icons... Ah, well. -Eric Heh - sure, there might be a function or two not printed on that dial so they will stay a secret. What do you think they might be? Maybe something to do with the unlabeled button on the upper left and the (apparent) sensor below the viewfinder exit pupil?

12-10-2019, 03:32 AM	#791
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by Karen the Star I'm in Sapporo 100 anniversary meeting, and I asked almost what I want to know all They tell me this can not be turned on because of that, it's a highly finished model but can not work actually. Thank you KAren, I first thought it was visible from outside and was a bit lost !

12-10-2019, 07:19 AM - 3 Likes	#792
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,032	Originally posted by Serkevan Absolutely, in that regard I am also surprised (and hope for the hybrid VF). It's weird to have a dial there. We could actually have these 5 functions altogether on the new "shooting assistance dial" : - photo using OVF - photo using HVF - photo in LV using rear ACL - film using rear ACL - film using HVF And Pentax would even more deserve it's brand name

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12-10-2019, 07:28 AM	#793
lsimpkins Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: SE Pennsylvania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 537	Originally posted by Karen the Star me too, that's why I bought Z7 Sorry to hear that you needed to leave "mothership" Pentax. At some point in the future I hope that the Pentax ecosystem is sufficiently fleshed out to lure you back. In the mean time, thank you for your information dumps and we look forward to further information that you're able to share.

12-10-2019, 10:08 AM	#794
dicki Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 180	we have to wait. There are no new information.

12-10-2019, 10:30 AM	#795
yorik Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Scotts Valley, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 991	After PF shut down the last K-new-speculation-thread, I assumed that would be it. Paint me naive.