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**bobbotron** · 12-18-2019, 02:43 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

The “K-3” shelf has already been empty for a long time, way too long. I got a KP eleven months ago, and am completely satisfied, but l am disappointed for those who are satisfied by neither the K-1ii nor the KP - not by any promises made by Pentax/Ricoh, but by the continually empty shelf.

Oh my goodness, some people are never satisfied. :P People should try shooting with 30 year old film cameras for a bit to get some perspective.

**carlb** · 12-18-2019, 02:46 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by bobbotron

Oh my goodness, some people are never satisfied. :P People should try shooting with 30 year old film cameras for a bit to get some perspective.

I think some people are more interested in buying new gear than they are in taking photo's.

reh321 · 12-18-2019, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by bobbotron

Oh my goodness, some people are never satisfied. :P People should try shooting with 30 year old film cameras for a bit to get some perspective.

Actually, between posting here, I've been using gimp to fix a few surface aberrations that resulted when I used the "Super Program" that I purchased in 1983 - that was over thirty years ago according to my calculations

- but I still remember the pain when my only "APS-C" camera failed, and I was unsure what to do.

thibs · 12-18-2019, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by bobbotron

Oh my goodness, some people are never satisfied. :P People should try shooting with 30 year old film cameras for a bit to get some perspective.

Too easy. A mechanical metal film body with no metering at all. And I'm kind.

**mlt** · 12-18-2019, 03:39 PM - **2 Likes**

But that is what today’s smartphones have returned us to..a basic box with 1-3 fixed lenses. No real aperture, shutter speed, focus, or iso control and a flash that makes an AG-1 bulb look like the sun.

If Kodak made a smartphone would they call it a Brownie?

Mistral75 · 12-18-2019, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by reh321

My interest was solely in its weight - it would not have to be turned on and/or functioning to ahow that aspect of it.

Kimio Tanaka had the opportunity to hold the camera. He has made no comment about its weight.

reh321 · 12-18-2019, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Too easy. A mechanical metal film body with no metering at all. And I'm kind.

It has been a long time since that was an adequate description of a Pentax film body; I had two of them - an "ME SE" first, and the metering of each was just fine.

reh321 · 12-18-2019, 04:23 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mlt

But that is what today’s smartphones have returned us to..a basic box with 1-3 fixed lenses. No real aperture, shutter speed, focus, or iso control and a flash that makes an AG-1 bulb look like the sun. If Kodak made a smartphone would they call it a Brownie?

I don't know what kind of smart phone you have used. My iPhone 8 does have focus and exposure control - the Kodak box camera which I started with did lack these, but the modern smart phone is much much better.

**Kobie** · 12-18-2019, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by mlt

But that is what today’s smartphones have returned us to..a basic box with 1-3 fixed lenses. No real aperture, shutter speed, focus, or iso control and a flash that makes an AG-1 bulb look like the sun.

If Kodak made a smartphone would they call it a Brownie?

I'm not sure what smartphone you have either. my 4-5 generation old smartphone LG G4 (Single lens) had ISO, shutter speed, focus control and a pretty powerful color correct LED flash with varying output depending on the scene. My LG G5 (dual lens) added focus peaking. My current Huawei P20 Pro (triple lens) smartphone allows control of ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed, Focus and offers optical, hybrid and digital zoom.

---------- Post added 12-18-19 at 06:51 PM ----------

Originally posted by reh321

I don't know what kind of smart phone you have used. My iPhone 8 does have focus and exposure control - the Kodak box camera which I started with did lack these, but the modern smart phone is much much better.

Not sure what generation Smartphone is being referenced either although it must be more recent as multi lenses were mentioned.

**mlt** · 12-18-2019, 05:04 PM

Note I used the word “real”. My 8plus does not have real aperture, shutter speed, iso, or distance control. There are lighting changes and you can select a focus point, but no distance scale and you can lighten or darken after the image is taken. Granted it is still a quantum step above the box cameras, instamatics, and simple point and shoots of the film era

**mlt** · 12-18-2019, 05:16 PM

Was not aware of the Huawei P20 Pro or P30 Pro full camera controls.. looks awesome. My bad over simplifying things.

yorik · 12-18-2019, 05:44 PM

I've even managed a little out of focus blur (real, not a.i. manufactured) with the 50mm equivalent lens on the iPhone 11pro.

**bobbotron** · 12-18-2019, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Too easy. A mechanical metal film body with no metering at all. And I'm kind.

Yeah, I mostly been trying to shoot with an old 4x5 camera and some random mechanical cameras. Great fun. And you can get some good results.

**monochrome** · 12-18-2019, 07:11 PM - **2 Likes**

Ten more weeks.

yawn

reh321 · 12-18-2019, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Ten more weeks.
:yawn:

What is in 10 weeks??

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12-18-2019, 02:43 PM - 1 Like	#826
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,349	Originally posted by reh321 The “K-3” shelf has already been empty for a long time, way too long. I got a KP eleven months ago, and am completely satisfied, but l am disappointed for those who are satisfied by neither the K-1ii nor the KP - not by any promises made by Pentax/Ricoh, but by the continually empty shelf. Oh my goodness, some people are never satisfied. :P People should try shooting with 30 year old film cameras for a bit to get some perspective.

12-18-2019, 02:46 PM - 3 Likes	#827
carlb Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 1,162	Originally posted by bobbotron Oh my goodness, some people are never satisfied. :P People should try shooting with 30 year old film cameras for a bit to get some perspective. I think some people are more interested in buying new gear than they are in taking photo's.

12-18-2019, 02:48 PM	#828
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by bobbotron Oh my goodness, some people are never satisfied. :P People should try shooting with 30 year old film cameras for a bit to get some perspective. Actually, between posting here, I've been using gimp to fix a few surface aberrations that resulted when I used the "Super Program" that I purchased in 1983 - that was over thirty years ago according to my calculations - but I still remember the pain when my only "APS-C" camera failed, and I was unsure what to do.

12-18-2019, 03:14 PM	#829
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by bobbotron Oh my goodness, some people are never satisfied. :P People should try shooting with 30 year old film cameras for a bit to get some perspective. Too easy. A mechanical metal film body with no metering at all. And I'm kind.

12-18-2019, 03:39 PM - 2 Likes	#830
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	But that is what today’s smartphones have returned us to..a basic box with 1-3 fixed lenses. No real aperture, shutter speed, focus, or iso control and a flash that makes an AG-1 bulb look like the sun. If Kodak made a smartphone would they call it a Brownie?

12-18-2019, 03:51 PM	#831
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by reh321 My interest was solely in its weight - it would not have to be turned on and/or functioning to ahow that aspect of it. Kimio Tanaka had the opportunity to hold the camera. He has made no comment about its weight.

12-18-2019, 04:19 PM	#832
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by thibs Too easy. A mechanical metal film body with no metering at all. And I'm kind. It has been a long time since that was an adequate description of a Pentax film body; I had two of them - an "ME SE" first, and the metering of each was just fine.

12-18-2019, 04:23 PM - 1 Like	#833
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by mlt But that is what today’s smartphones have returned us to..a basic box with 1-3 fixed lenses. No real aperture, shutter speed, focus, or iso control and a flash that makes an AG-1 bulb look like the sun. If Kodak made a smartphone would they call it a Brownie? I don't know what kind of smart phone you have used. My iPhone 8 does have focus and exposure control - the Kodak box camera which I started with did lack these, but the modern smart phone is much much better.

12-18-2019, 04:50 PM	#834
Kobie Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Bowmanville Photos: Albums Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by mlt But that is what today’s smartphones have returned us to..a basic box with 1-3 fixed lenses. No real aperture, shutter speed, focus, or iso control and a flash that makes an AG-1 bulb look like the sun. If Kodak made a smartphone would they call it a Brownie? I'm not sure what smartphone you have either. my 4-5 generation old smartphone LG G4 (Single lens) had ISO, shutter speed, focus control and a pretty powerful color correct LED flash with varying output depending on the scene. My LG G5 (dual lens) added focus peaking. My current Huawei P20 Pro (triple lens) smartphone allows control of ISO, Aperture, Shutter Speed, Focus and offers optical, hybrid and digital zoom. ---------- Post added 12-18-19 at 06:51 PM ---------- Originally posted by reh321 I don't know what kind of smart phone you have used. My iPhone 8 does have focus and exposure control - the Kodak box camera which I started with did lack these, but the modern smart phone is much much better. Not sure what generation Smartphone is being referenced either although it must be more recent as multi lenses were mentioned.

12-18-2019, 05:04 PM	#835
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Note I used the word “real”. My 8plus does not have real aperture, shutter speed, iso, or distance control. There are lighting changes and you can select a focus point, but no distance scale and you can lighten or darken after the image is taken. Granted it is still a quantum step above the box cameras, instamatics, and simple point and shoots of the film era

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12-18-2019, 05:16 PM	#836
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Was not aware of the Huawei P20 Pro or P30 Pro full camera controls.. looks awesome. My bad over simplifying things.

12-18-2019, 05:44 PM	#837
yorik Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Scotts Valley, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 991	I've even managed a little out of focus blur (real, not a.i. manufactured) with the 50mm equivalent lens on the iPhone 11pro.

12-18-2019, 05:59 PM	#838
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,349	Originally posted by thibs Too easy. A mechanical metal film body with no metering at all. And I'm kind. Yeah, I mostly been trying to shoot with an old 4x5 camera and some random mechanical cameras. Great fun. And you can get some good results.

12-18-2019, 07:11 PM - 2 Likes	#839
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Ten more weeks.

12-18-2019, 07:13 PM	#840
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by monochrome Ten more weeks. :yawn: What is in 10 weeks??