Not good news ...

Kunzite · 11-12-2019, 10:34 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Jean Poitiers

What was fake about my news?

Your claim that PentaxIsDoomed, obviously!

Jean Poitiers · 11-12-2019, 10:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BarneyL

Was Panasonic present at the show?

Yes ... Lumix had a huge stand (two parts) as well.

zapp · 11-12-2019, 10:38 AM - **3 Likes**

Don’t care about Sigma, but it is correct that Pentax is absent.

**Cerebum** · 11-12-2019, 10:38 AM - **1 Like**

Is there any point in Pentax spending money on a pitch at a camera event when they have nothing new? OK, they have one lens and the KP-J which is a custom version of a 2yo camera. And had they shown up, how would they compete with canikon and their mirrorless, Fuji and their weird screen, Sony and this weeks new release, sigma and their new lenses, etc. etc. etc. I am quite happy for Pentax to quietly tick over, and when they have something new, then blow the advertising budget

Jean Poitiers · 11-12-2019, 10:39 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

Your claim that PentaxIsDoomed, obviously!

No.

I did not claim that " PentaxIsDoomed " ... I disappointed that they did not show up.

Like I wrote ... this is not good news.

BarneyL · 11-12-2019, 10:41 AM - **3 Likes**

Well, seeing Ricoh as the only camera manufacturer absent at the biggest photo fair in France is quite sad, actually. A prestige hit, surely.

stevebrot · 11-12-2019, 10:42 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Jean Poitiers

What was fake about my news?

I am sure that no personal insult was meant by the comment. Standards for polite discussion vary in some parts of the world and sometimes nuance (even if present or intended) is sometimes lost in the translation.

Steve

Kunzite · 11-12-2019, 10:46 AM

Yet they had a get together, and from what I understand it was very nice - beyond what they could organize in a "standard" show and a corresponding smallish stand, most likely at a much smaller cost.
Why are you so upset they did the smart thing?
After seeing what is happening with Photokina, traditional photo fairs should be left to die.

By the way:
Info from the Pentax Meeting 100 events - Page 3 - PentaxForums.com

troenaas · 11-12-2019, 10:46 AM - **1 Like**

Lensbaby didn't need any support or cooperation with Pentax as their lenses are dumb (no electronics). They only needed to add a dumb mount. But my guess is that so few pentaxians bought Lensbaby lenses that it didn't make economic sense for Lensbaby.

Jean Poitiers · 11-12-2019, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

I am sure that no personal insult was meant by the comment. Standards for polite discussion vary in some parts of the world and sometimes nuance (even if present or intended) is sometimes lost in the translation.

Steve

Point well taken.

But read the next post after yours ...

SSGGeezer · 11-12-2019, 10:49 AM - **4 Likes**

The correct response to the Sigma rep should have been, "So you can't afford to do your reverse engineering on the newer KAF 3 and 4 lenses from Pentax? Since you couldn't get your 18-35 right." I see no reason for Pentax to go to this show until the K-new is ready for prime time. In the industry I am working in now, there are dozens of trade shows we could attend, but it would cost us thousands in expenses other than just the booth rental, sending at least two people, shipping of the booth contents, salaries during decisions on what to take, set up the booth, etc. These employees are also not doing their normal jobs while traveling to shows, while resulting sales have dropped from when trade shows were a primary source of customer prospecting. So, a company has to choose their spending carefully when properly targeted on line ads are generally more cost effective. (Just try to convince a luddite boss of this!)

Kunzite · 11-12-2019, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Jean Poitiers

Point well taken.

But read the next post after yours ...

There's no insult there, either.

Zygonyx · 11-12-2019, 10:52 AM

OK, time to wake up and go shooting / buy online

Jean Poitiers · 11-12-2019, 10:52 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

Yet they had a get together, and from what I understand it was very nice - beyond what they could organize in a "standard" show and a corresponding smallish stand, most likely at a much smaller cost.
Why are you so upset they did the smart thing?
After seeing what is happening with Photokina, traditional photo fairs should be left to die.

By the way:
Info from the Pentax Meeting 100 events - Page 3 - PentaxForums.com

Two points :

(1.) I am not "so upset", just disappointed and passing the news along ... don't shoot the messenger.

(2.) The Paris Photo Salon/Expo was wall-to-wall people on Saturday (and Friday, too ... because I talked to a friend at a specialized film booth) ...

Jean Poitiers · 11-12-2019, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

There's no insult there, either.

... " so upset " ... your words.

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11-12-2019, 10:34 AM - 1 Like	#16
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Jean Poitiers What was fake about my news? Your claim that PentaxIsDoomed, obviously!

11-12-2019, 10:37 AM - 1 Like	#17
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076 Original Poster	Originally posted by BarneyL Was Panasonic present at the show? Yes ... Lumix had a huge stand (two parts) as well.

11-12-2019, 10:38 AM - 3 Likes	#18
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Don’t care about Sigma, but it is correct that Pentax is absent.

11-12-2019, 10:38 AM - 1 Like	#19
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Is there any point in Pentax spending money on a pitch at a camera event when they have nothing new? OK, they have one lens and the KP-J which is a custom version of a 2yo camera. And had they shown up, how would they compete with canikon and their mirrorless, Fuji and their weird screen, Sony and this weeks new release, sigma and their new lenses, etc. etc. etc. I am quite happy for Pentax to quietly tick over, and when they have something new, then blow the advertising budget

11-12-2019, 10:39 AM - 2 Likes	#20
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite Your claim that PentaxIsDoomed, obviously! No. I did not claim that " PentaxIsDoomed " ... I disappointed that they did not show up. Like I wrote ... this is not good news.

11-12-2019, 10:41 AM - 3 Likes	#21
BarneyL Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 899	Well, seeing Ricoh as the only camera manufacturer absent at the biggest photo fair in France is quite sad, actually. A prestige hit, surely.

11-12-2019, 10:42 AM - 1 Like	#22
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Jean Poitiers What was fake about my news? I am sure that no personal insult was meant by the comment. Standards for polite discussion vary in some parts of the world and sometimes nuance (even if present or intended) is sometimes lost in the translation. Steve

11-12-2019, 10:46 AM	#23
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Yet they had a get together, and from what I understand it was very nice - beyond what they could organize in a "standard" show and a corresponding smallish stand, most likely at a much smaller cost. Why are you so upset they did the smart thing? After seeing what is happening with Photokina, traditional photo fairs should be left to die. By the way: Info from the Pentax Meeting 100 events - Page 3 - PentaxForums.com

11-12-2019, 10:46 AM - 1 Like	#24
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Lensbaby didn't need any support or cooperation with Pentax as their lenses are dumb (no electronics). They only needed to add a dumb mount. But my guess is that so few pentaxians bought Lensbaby lenses that it didn't make economic sense for Lensbaby.

11-12-2019, 10:47 AM	#25
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076 Original Poster	Originally posted by stevebrot I am sure that no personal insult was meant by the comment. Standards for polite discussion vary in some parts of the world and sometimes nuance (even if present or intended) is sometimes lost in the translation. Steve Point well taken. But read the next post after yours ...

11-12-2019, 10:49 AM - 4 Likes	#26
SSGGeezer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Indiana, U.S. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,845	The correct response to the Sigma rep should have been, "So you can't afford to do your reverse engineering on the newer KAF 3 and 4 lenses from Pentax? Since you couldn't get your 18-35 right." I see no reason for Pentax to go to this show until the K-new is ready for prime time. In the industry I am working in now, there are dozens of trade shows we could attend, but it would cost us thousands in expenses other than just the booth rental, sending at least two people, shipping of the booth contents, salaries during decisions on what to take, set up the booth, etc. These employees are also not doing their normal jobs while traveling to shows, while resulting sales have dropped from when trade shows were a primary source of customer prospecting. So, a company has to choose their spending carefully when properly targeted on line ads are generally more cost effective. (Just try to convince a luddite boss of this!)

11-12-2019, 10:49 AM	#27
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Jean Poitiers Point well taken. But read the next post after yours ... There's no insult there, either.

11-12-2019, 10:52 AM	#28
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	OK, time to wake up and go shooting / buy online

11-12-2019, 10:52 AM - 2 Likes	#29
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite Yet they had a get together, and from what I understand it was very nice - beyond what they could organize in a "standard" show and a corresponding smallish stand, most likely at a much smaller cost. Why are you so upset they did the smart thing? After seeing what is happening with Photokina, traditional photo fairs should be left to die. By the way: Info from the Pentax Meeting 100 events - Page 3 - PentaxForums.com Two points : (1.) I am not "so upset", just disappointed and passing the news along ... don't shoot the messenger. (2.) The Paris Photo Salon/Expo was wall-to-wall people on Saturday (and Friday, too ... because I talked to a friend at a specialized film booth) ...

11-12-2019, 10:55 AM	#30
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite There's no insult there, either. ... " *so upset* " ... your words.