interview with Ricoh Imaging General Sales Manager for Europe

edri · 12-23-2019, 02:49 PM

If a modern FF can be purchased with 2000, the price of 1800-2000 will be a bit high for a small sensor device, no matter what it can.

agukha · 12-23-2019, 03:13 PM

The K1 ii can be found for 1700€, it's unlikely that the APS-C will cost the same or more !

**Cerebum** · 12-23-2019, 03:19 PM - **1 Like**

K1- £1275, K1ii - £1495 on amazon right now. I can't see the K-new being much cheaper than that

reh321 · 12-23-2019, 03:41 PM

We really shouldn't guess about price until we know something about the specifications - at least.

**SteveinSLC** · 12-23-2019, 04:25 PM

Well, a new D500 costs about $1500. Since I think that's roughly what they would want this to be competing against, and hopefully surpassing, seems like a price in that range is not out of the question.

**monochrome** · 12-23-2019, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by SteveinSLC

Well, a new D500 costs about $1500. Since I think that's roughly what they would want this to be competing against, and hopefully surpassing, seems like a price in that range is not out of the question.

D500 is four year old technology and lacks features K-New will have. I expect K-New to be priced at a premium to current D500, and comparable to or above K-1ll. OTOH Ricoh could surprise us and price K-New aggressively. in that case I would expect rapid release of high-end bodies in the other two formats to build volume for the new tech components.

**Serkevan** · 12-23-2019, 05:15 PM - **1 Like**

We don't know yet what features the K-new will have - and certainly we have no clue on the performance.
Pentax doesn't yet have any cameras that get close to the D500 in terms of focus or frame rate, although that will hopefully change in half a year

reh321 · 12-23-2019, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

We don't know yet what features the K-new will have - and certainly we have no clue on the performance.
Pentax doesn't yet have any cameras that get close to the D500 in terms of focus or frame rate, although that will hopefully change in half a year

We hear so much about focusing, but even the KP does better than the D500 in NR, DR, and color preservation at High ISO settings {look at last photo in Pentax KP First Shots: Going head-to-head against the Nikon D500 at ISO 819,200!

**Serkevan** · 12-23-2019, 06:12 PM

Exclusively because of the accelerator (which is present in the not-so-expensive K-70). The one and only thing that is specific to the D500, 7D and other top-of-line APS-C cameras is the focusing and speed. The D7500 takes about the same pictures as the D500 and costs substantially less. Five hundreds of USD in fact. If you look for IQ per dollar, the D3500 is flat out unbeatable.

Unless the K-new is *substantially* better than the Canikon offerings it will have no business costing as much as (or even more than) the K-1ii, which packs A LOT of impressive features.

reh321 · 12-23-2019, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Exclusively because of the accelerator (which is present in the not-so-expensive K-70). The one and only thing that is specific to the D500, 7D and other top-of-line APS-C cameras is the focusing and speed. The D7500 takes about the same pictures as the D500 and costs substantially less. Five hundreds of USD in fact. If you look for IQ per dollar, the D3500 is flat out unbeatable.

Unless the K-new is *substantially* better than the Canikon offerings it will have no business costing as much as (or even more than) the K-1ii, which packs A LOT of impressive features.

Yes, "consumer build" cameras, like the D3500 and the K-70, cost less ..... but you get what you pay for - namely "consumer build".

Dieseler · 12-23-2019, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

D500 is four year old technology and lacks features K-New will have. I expect K-New to be priced at a premium to current D500, and comparable to or above K-1ll.

Yes, the D500 was US$2000 at launch and is now US$1500 rrp, so I would not be surprised to see the K-New launched at US$1600-1800, perhaps not quite as much as the K-1II rrp but we will see.

Kunzite · 12-24-2019, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by reh321

We hear so much about focusing, but even the KP does better than the D500 in NR, DR, and color preservation at High ISO settings {look at last photo in Pentax KP First Shots: Going head-to-head against the Nikon D500 at ISO 819,200!

But... but... "Star Eater on steroids!"

reh321 · 12-24-2019, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

But... but... "Star Eater on steroids!"

Regrettably people keep repeating that untruth despite the Astronomy Photography report that they could not find a single missing star
Pentax K-1 Mark II Astrophotography Review – Lonely Speck

tvdtvdtvd · 12-24-2019, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Dieseler

Yes, the D500 was US$2000 at launch and is now US$1500 rrp, so I would not be surprised to see the K-New launched at US$1600-1800, perhaps not quite as much as the K-1II rrp but we will see.

The price of the K-New has to scale with other Pentax offerings. Yes, the D500 was $2000 at launch, but Nikon's FF bodies also exceed
$3000, which is considerably higher than the K-1 at launch.

I would expect the K-New to launch at a price less than whatever the K1ii is then currently priced.

Kunzite · 12-25-2019, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

I would expect the K-New to launch at a price less than whatever the K1ii is then currently priced.

What if it has to be priced higher than that, in order to offer the expected substantial performance boost?

12-23-2019, 05:25 PM	#578
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Serkevan We don't know yet what features the K-new will have - and certainly we have no clue on the performance. Pentax doesn't yet have any cameras that get close to the D500 in terms of focus or frame rate, although that will hopefully change in half a year We hear so much about focusing, but even the KP does better than the D500 in NR, DR, and color preservation at High ISO settings {look at last photo in Pentax KP First Shots: Going head-to-head against the Nikon D500 at ISO 819,200! Attached Images Last edited by reh321; 12-23-2019 at 05:32 PM.

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12-23-2019, 02:49 PM	#571
edri Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: walking in the air Posts: 1,315	If a modern FF can be purchased with 2000, the price of 1800-2000 will be a bit high for a small sensor device, no matter what it can.

12-23-2019, 03:13 PM	#572
agukha Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 367	The K1 ii can be found for 1700€, it's unlikely that the APS-C will cost the same or more !

12-23-2019, 03:19 PM - 1 Like	#573
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	K1- £1275, K1ii - £1495 on amazon right now. I can't see the K-new being much cheaper than that

12-23-2019, 03:41 PM	#574
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	We really shouldn't guess about price until we know something about the specifications - at least.

12-23-2019, 04:25 PM	#575
SteveinSLC Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2017 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 568	Well, a new D500 costs about $1500. Since I think that's roughly what they would want this to be competing against, and hopefully surpassing, seems like a price in that range is not out of the question.

12-23-2019, 04:52 PM	#576
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by SteveinSLC Well, a new D500 costs about $1500. Since I think that's roughly what they would want this to be competing against, and hopefully surpassing, seems like a price in that range is not out of the question. D500 is four year old technology and lacks features K-New will have. I expect K-New to be priced at a premium to current D500, and comparable to or above K-1ll. OTOH Ricoh could surprise us and price K-New aggressively. in that case I would expect rapid release of high-end bodies in the other two formats to build volume for the new tech components.

12-23-2019, 05:15 PM - 1 Like	#577
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	We don't know yet what features the K-new will have - and certainly we have no clue on the performance. Pentax doesn't yet have any cameras that get close to the D500 in terms of focus or frame rate, although that will hopefully change in half a year

12-23-2019, 06:12 PM	#579
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Exclusively because of the accelerator (which is present in the not-so-expensive K-70). The one and only thing that is specific to the D500, 7D and other top-of-line APS-C cameras is the focusing and speed. The D7500 takes about the same pictures as the D500 and costs substantially less. Five hundreds of USD in fact. If you look for IQ per dollar, the D3500 is flat out unbeatable. Unless the K-new is substantially better than the Canikon offerings it will have no business costing as much as (or even more than) the K-1ii, which packs A LOT of impressive features.

12-23-2019, 07:39 PM	#580
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Serkevan Exclusively because of the accelerator (which is present in the not-so-expensive K-70). The one and only thing that is specific to the D500, 7D and other top-of-line APS-C cameras is the focusing and speed. The D7500 takes about the same pictures as the D500 and costs substantially less. Five hundreds of USD in fact. If you look for IQ per dollar, the D3500 is flat out unbeatable. Unless the K-new is substantially better than the Canikon offerings it will have no business costing as much as (or even more than) the K-1ii, which packs A LOT of impressive features. Yes, "consumer build" cameras, like the D3500 and the K-70, cost less ..... but you get what you pay for - namely "consumer build".

12-23-2019, 08:32 PM	#581
Dieseler Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Western Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 351	Originally posted by monochrome D500 is four year old technology and lacks features K-New will have. I expect K-New to be priced at a premium to current D500, and comparable to or above K-1ll. Yes, the D500 was US$2000 at launch and is now US$1500 rrp, so I would not be surprised to see the K-New launched at US$1600-1800, perhaps not quite as much as the K-1II rrp but we will see.

12-24-2019, 06:35 AM	#582
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 We hear so much about focusing, but even the KP does better than the D500 in NR, DR, and color preservation at High ISO settings {look at last photo in Pentax KP First Shots: Going head-to-head against the Nikon D500 at ISO 819,200! But... but... "Star Eater on steroids!"

12-24-2019, 07:42 AM	#583
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Kunzite But... but... "Star Eater on steroids!" Regrettably people keep repeating that untruth despite the Astronomy Photography report that they could not find a single missing star Pentax K-1 Mark II Astrophotography Review – Lonely Speck

12-24-2019, 02:55 PM	#584
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by Dieseler Yes, the D500 was US$2000 at launch and is now US$1500 rrp, so I would not be surprised to see the K-New launched at US$1600-1800, perhaps not quite as much as the K-1II rrp but we will see. The price of the K-New has to scale with other Pentax offerings. Yes, the D500 was $2000 at launch, but Nikon's FF bodies also exceed $3000, which is considerably higher than the K-1 at launch. I would expect the K-New to launch at a price less than whatever the K1ii is then currently priced.

12-25-2019, 02:17 AM	#585
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd I would expect the K-New to launch at a price less than whatever the K1ii is then currently priced. What if it has to be priced higher than that, in order to offer the expected substantial performance boost?