interview with Ricoh Imaging General Sales Manager for Europe

biz-engineer · 12-25-2019, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Unless the K-new is *substantially* better than the Canikon offerings it will have no business costing as much as (or even more than) the K-1ii, which packs A LOT of impressive features.

Doesnt work that way because lots of us have K mount glass already, we are not going to buy new F or FE mount glass just to save a few hundred $ on a camera body. In the ILC business, owning long lenses increase the cost of switching lens mounts, slows down market share changes among camera brands. The reason why I have a complete Pentax system is because I was hooked by the D-FA150-450; if I didn't buy and use the 150450 on the K3, I'd have not bought the K1 and I'd be with Nikon.

tvdtvdtvd · 12-25-2019, 06:56 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

What if it has to be priced higher than that, in order to offer the expected substantial performance boost?

Then it will be more.....

house · 12-25-2019, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

Then it will be more.....

I have no empathy towards the folks setting the prices but I do acknowledge that it must be complicated stuff.

Kunzite · 12-25-2019, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by house

the folks setting the prices

On the Internet, there's a disconnect between a product and its price. In practice though, I suspect they're closely tied - and a product is designed with a certain price target in mind.
Some of the folks setting the prices might be the designers themselves.

dstar · 12-25-2019, 09:04 AM

Possibly 2 way road 100 %new stile camera and price will be high typical pentax range as before with new model or if production may be behind they offer upgrade with new motherboard may be KP as they did before .For now we can only try imagination how much and what will be inside

troenaas · 12-25-2019, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

I'd be with Nikon.

You don't mean that!

reh321 · 12-25-2019, 09:34 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Doesnt work that way because lots of us have K mount glass already, we are not going to buy new F or FE mount glass just to save a few hundred $ on a camera body. In the ILC business, owning long lenses increase the cost of switching lens mounts, slows down market share changes among camera brands. The reason why I have a complete Pentax system is because I was hooked by the D-FA150-450; if I didn't buy and use the 150450 on the K3, I'd have not bought the K1 and I'd be with Nikon.

Interesting you make that comment - Nikon has the most confusing compatibility rules I have seen - almost MacDonald's Farm with the AI - AI - Oh.

Not a Number · 12-25-2019, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Interesting you make that comment - Nikon has the most confusing compatibility rules I have seen - almost MacDonald's Farm with the AI - AI - Oh.

As far as I can make out the lower the tier the body the less compatible to "legacy" lenses. I guess Nikon thinks that an entry level camera owner couldn't deal with using MF and non-"Auto" lenses.

**mlt** · 12-25-2019, 11:15 AM - **1 Like**

Not so much that they couldn’t deal with older glass, rather the marketing people thinking that they won’t want to add anything more to, or continue to use their basic 1 or 2 lens kits. Basically, how many D40 or D3000 series kits were sold that sit in a closet while their owners just use a smart phone instead.

reh321 · 12-25-2019, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by mlt

Not so much that they couldn’t deal with older glass, rather the marketing people thinking that they won’t want to add anything more to, or continue to use their basic 1 or 2 lens kits. Basically, how many D40 or D3000 series kits were sold that sit in a closet while their owners just use a smart phone instead.

This past month. while we were in Florida I met for a while with my wife's cousin about the Nikon her husband had bought - but neither of them understands such basic items as ISO setting, so even "Green Auto" mode was beyond their combined understanding.

troenaas · 12-25-2019, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by reh321

This past month. while we were in Florida I met for a while with my wife's cousin about the Nikon her husband had bought - but neither of them understands such basic items as ISO setting, so even "Green Auto" mode was beyond their combined understanding.

Basically, they use it as an point & shoot camera...

reh321 · 12-25-2019, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by mlt

Not so much that they couldn’t deal with older glass, rather the marketing people thinking that they won’t want to add anything more to, or continue to use their basic 1 or 2 lens kits. Basically, how many D40 or D3000 series kits were sold that sit in a closet while their owners just use a smart phone instead.

Nikon lenses are more complicated than Pentax users recognize. If I understand correctly, many of them are screw-driven, and the D3xxx and D5xxx cameras lack in-body AF motor. Also, they have the equivalent of aperture recognition problems, and someone who uses the wrong lenses with wrong bodies risks physical damage, not just an incorrect metering.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 12-26-2019, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Nikon lenses are more complicated than Pentax users recognize. If I understand correctly, many of them are screw-driven, and the D3xxx and D5xxx cameras lack in-body AF motor. Also, they have the equivalent of aperture recognition problems, and someone who uses the wrong lenses with wrong bodies risks physical damage, not just an incorrect metering.

Nikon D lenses are screw driven, and you are correct to say the lower order bodies cannot autofocus with them. Some of the newer E (for electronic aperture) designated lenses will not set aperture on older DSLRs. As for physical damage, I think this arises only with old non-AiS lenses. The Nikon Df has a small lever device by the lens mount, which has to be raised to use these lenses without causing damage. I am not aware of any other Nikon DSLR that has this feature.

reh321 · 12-26-2019, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

Nikon D lenses are screw driven, and you are correct to say the lower order bodies cannot autofocus with them. Some of the newer E (for electronic aperture) designated lenses will not set aperture on older DSLRs. As for physical damage, I think this arises only with old non-AiS lenses. The Nikon Df has a small lever device by the lens mount, which has to be raised to use these lenses without causing damage. I am not aware of any other Nikon DSLR that has this feature.

A problem for Nikon users seems to be distinguishing AiS lenses - discussions between Nikon users leave me singing “AiS, AiS NO”” and then onto ‘old Mac Donald’s farm’.

**Serkevan** · 12-26-2019, 12:43 PM

The Nikon compatibility chart is atrocious. I gotta hand it to Canon there: 32 years of 100% compatibility, unless I'm mistaken. I would love for Pentax to give us Av on K/M/A lenses, it cannot be *that* hard right?

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12-25-2019, 02:51 AM	#586
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by Serkevan Unless the K-new is substantially better than the Canikon offerings it will have no business costing as much as (or even more than) the K-1ii, which packs A LOT of impressive features. Doesnt work that way because lots of us have K mount glass already, we are not going to buy new F or FE mount glass just to save a few hundred $ on a camera body. In the ILC business, owning long lenses increase the cost of switching lens mounts, slows down market share changes among camera brands. The reason why I have a complete Pentax system is because I was hooked by the D-FA150-450; if I didn't buy and use the 150450 on the K3, I'd have not bought the K1 and I'd be with Nikon.

12-25-2019, 06:56 AM - 1 Like	#587
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by Kunzite What if it has to be priced higher than that, in order to offer the expected substantial performance boost? Then it will be more.....

12-25-2019, 06:59 AM	#588
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd Then it will be more..... I have no empathy towards the folks setting the prices but I do acknowledge that it must be complicated stuff.

12-25-2019, 08:02 AM	#589
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by house the folks setting the prices On the Internet, there's a disconnect between a product and its price. In practice though, I suspect they're closely tied - and a product is designed with a certain price target in mind. Some of the folks setting the prices might be the designers themselves.

12-25-2019, 09:04 AM	#590
dstar Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 475	Possibly 2 way road 100 %new stile camera and price will be high typical pentax range as before with new model or if production may be behind they offer upgrade with new motherboard may be KP as they did before .For now we can only try imagination how much and what will be inside

12-25-2019, 09:31 AM	#591
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Originally posted by biz-engineer I'd be with Nikon. You don't mean that!

12-25-2019, 09:34 AM - 2 Likes	#592
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by biz-engineer Doesnt work that way because lots of us have K mount glass already, we are not going to buy new F or FE mount glass just to save a few hundred $ on a camera body. In the ILC business, owning long lenses increase the cost of switching lens mounts, slows down market share changes among camera brands. The reason why I have a complete Pentax system is because I was hooked by the D-FA150-450; if I didn't buy and use the 150450 on the K3, I'd have not bought the K1 and I'd be with Nikon. Interesting you make that comment - Nikon has the most confusing compatibility rules I have seen - almost MacDonald's Farm with the AI - AI - Oh.

12-25-2019, 10:27 AM	#593
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by reh321 Interesting you make that comment - Nikon has the most confusing compatibility rules I have seen - almost MacDonald's Farm with the AI - AI - Oh. As far as I can make out the lower the tier the body the less compatible to "legacy" lenses. I guess Nikon thinks that an entry level camera owner couldn't deal with using MF and non-"Auto" lenses.

12-25-2019, 11:15 AM - 1 Like	#594
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Not so much that they couldn’t deal with older glass, rather the marketing people thinking that they won’t want to add anything more to, or continue to use their basic 1 or 2 lens kits. Basically, how many D40 or D3000 series kits were sold that sit in a closet while their owners just use a smart phone instead.

12-25-2019, 11:28 AM	#595
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by mlt Not so much that they couldn’t deal with older glass, rather the marketing people thinking that they won’t want to add anything more to, or continue to use their basic 1 or 2 lens kits. Basically, how many D40 or D3000 series kits were sold that sit in a closet while their owners just use a smart phone instead. This past month. while we were in Florida I met for a while with my wife's cousin about the Nikon her husband had bought - but neither of them understands such basic items as ISO setting, so even "Green Auto" mode was beyond their combined understanding.

12-25-2019, 01:14 PM	#596
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Originally posted by reh321 This past month. while we were in Florida I met for a while with my wife's cousin about the Nikon her husband had bought - but neither of them understands such basic items as ISO setting, so even "Green Auto" mode was beyond their combined understanding. Basically, they use it as an point & shoot camera...

12-25-2019, 02:29 PM	#597
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by mlt Not so much that they couldn’t deal with older glass, rather the marketing people thinking that they won’t want to add anything more to, or continue to use their basic 1 or 2 lens kits. Basically, how many D40 or D3000 series kits were sold that sit in a closet while their owners just use a smart phone instead. Nikon lenses are more complicated than Pentax users recognize. If I understand correctly, many of them are screw-driven, and the D3xxx and D5xxx cameras lack in-body AF motor. Also, they have the equivalent of aperture recognition problems, and someone who uses the wrong lenses with wrong bodies risks physical damage, not just an incorrect metering.

12-26-2019, 04:29 AM	#598
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by reh321 Nikon lenses are more complicated than Pentax users recognize. If I understand correctly, many of them are screw-driven, and the D3xxx and D5xxx cameras lack in-body AF motor. Also, they have the equivalent of aperture recognition problems, and someone who uses the wrong lenses with wrong bodies risks physical damage, not just an incorrect metering. Nikon D lenses are screw driven, and you are correct to say the lower order bodies cannot autofocus with them. Some of the newer E (for electronic aperture) designated lenses will not set aperture on older DSLRs. As for physical damage, I think this arises only with old non-AiS lenses. The Nikon Df has a small lever device by the lens mount, which has to be raised to use these lenses without causing damage. I am not aware of any other Nikon DSLR that has this feature.

12-26-2019, 06:01 AM	#599
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Nikon D lenses are screw driven, and you are correct to say the lower order bodies cannot autofocus with them. Some of the newer E (for electronic aperture) designated lenses will not set aperture on older DSLRs. As for physical damage, I think this arises only with old non-AiS lenses. The Nikon Df has a small lever device by the lens mount, which has to be raised to use these lenses without causing damage. I am not aware of any other Nikon DSLR that has this feature. A problem for Nikon users seems to be distinguishing AiS lenses - discussions between Nikon users leave me singing “AiS, AiS NO”” and then onto ‘old Mac Donald’s farm’.

12-26-2019, 12:43 PM	#600
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	The Nikon compatibility chart is atrocious. I gotta hand it to Canon there: 32 years of 100% compatibility, unless I'm mistaken. I would love for Pentax to give us Av on K/M/A lenses, it cannot be that hard right?