Good news ... K-1 is one of 20 most important cameras of the decade - DPReview

**kiwi_jono** · 12-15-2019, 12:44 PM

Well I remain skeptical about DPR but nice to see some recognition for sure!

VSTAR · 12-15-2019, 06:38 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

That wasn't even quality but sharpening. True, Pentax responded to that by adding further sharpening levels.

The K-1 II got the second worst camera of the year award, didn't it? They even lost that prize... to the "Yashika"!

dpr gave them the second worst review....because as they stated...there were not enough changes from the K1 to the K1 mark II. Now there's logic for you.

pentaxshooter89 · 12-15-2019, 06:47 PM

Positive DPR review for the K1.

Class A · 12-16-2019, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by VSTAR

...there were not enough changes from the K1 to the K1 mark II. Now there's logic for you.

Yeah, because it is all about the "change" not about what you get overall, right?

In a way, we cannot blame them for preferring new cameras that are more likely to make people with older models upgrade to the new model.
After all, more camera sales translate into more profit for their Amazon overlords (provided Amazon makes the sale, which is made more likely by the myriad of Amazon links at DPReview).

DPReview keep reassuring readers that Amazon does not influence their work but the DPReview crew is quite big and running this operation is sure to cost Amazon quite a bit of marketing pennies. Consciously or subconsciously, DPReview staff must understand what will help pay their bills and what doesn't quite so much.

Kunzite · 12-16-2019, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by VSTAR

dpr gave them the second worst review....because as they stated...there were not enough changes from the K1 to the K1 mark II. Now there's logic for you.

That's not logic, that is an excuse.

fsge · 12-16-2019, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by kiwi_jono

Well I remain skeptical about DPR but nice to see some recognition for sure!

DPR keeps sucking and blowing when it is about Pentax. I do not spend time on DPR anymore

**Rondec** · 12-16-2019, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by yorik

If I recall correctly (always a questionable assumption), the most valid criticism of the K-01 was the fact that
Pentax let an industrial designer (Marc Newson) with no notable photography cred design the camera.
It is fun to use under the right conditions (I have one), but it does not have great photographic haptics.

I thought the big issues with the K-01 were a mixture of being over priced at launch, combined with really poor specifications (terrible auto focus, bad buffer situation, slow frame rate, and no viewfinder). For some reason Pentax thought people would pay big dollars for a specially designed camera, even if it didn't function terribly well as a camera.

Don't get me wrong, I still shoot with my K-01 and I enjoy it, but it has huge limitations that weren't limitations of similarly priced SLRs that were out at that time.

Jonathan Mac · 12-16-2019, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

That's not logic, that is an excuse.

I agree, but I think their main complaint was that the accelerator chip was baking in heavy-handed NR to the RAWs. I haven't used a camera that has it, but some people seem to really like what the AC does, I suppose it's a matter of preference when it comes to noise removal vs detail removal/smearing.

reh321 · 12-16-2019, 05:47 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

I suppose it's a matter of preference when it comes to noise removal vs detail removal/smearing.

Please give one documented, “printed” example of “detail smearing”. I have an ‘accelerator’ in my KP, and I have never seen it.

But, yes, they don’t like “baked in” ‘raw’ files, which simply means ‘raw’ files which have changes which cannot be changed back - but I cannot think of why someone would want to go back to the noise.

Kunzite · 12-16-2019, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Jonathan Mac

I agree, but I think their main complaint was that the accelerator chip was baking in heavy-handed NR to the RAWs. I haven't used a camera that has it, but some people seem to really like what the AC does, I suppose it's a matter of preference when it comes to noise removal vs detail removal/smearing.

That is an excuse, too - "Star Eater on steroids but we never tested"?

reh321 · 12-16-2019, 07:25 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

That is an excuse, too - "Star Eater on steroids but we never tested"?

Especially since the only astronomy photographer to test the K-1ii and write about it
Pentax K-1 Mark II Astrophotography Review – Lonely Speck
found no stars missing. He doesn't like the fact that you cannot turn the 'accelerator' off, but he doesn't give any reason for not liking that.

**SteveinSLC** · 12-16-2019, 07:38 AM

I've not really seen it in my KP either.
There were a lot of pics posted when the K1Mk2 came out trying to figure out if there was a loss of detail. I didn't come away from all of those messages with a conclusion that there would be any noticeable losses in the real world.

BarneyL · 12-16-2019, 07:53 AM

Question - does the newest GR also include Accelerator Unit?

Because when LensTip tested K-70, KP and K-1 II they pointed out the NR. However, they didn't say the same about GR III.

Kunzite · 12-16-2019, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by BarneyL

Question - does the newest GR also include Accelerator Unit?

Because when LensTip tested K-70, KP and K-1 II they pointed out the NR. However, they didn't say the same about GR III.

The GR III yes, it has the accelerator.

Jonathan Mac · 12-17-2019, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Please give one documented, “printed” example of “detail smearing”. I have an ‘accelerator’ in my KP, and I have never seen it.

But, yes, they don’t like “baked in” ‘raw’ files, which simply means ‘raw’ files which have changes which cannot be changed back - but I cannot think of why someone would want to go back to the noise.

I don't have any examples, I'm just going on what people here have said. Some are very happy with the accelerator, others are not. I don't know where I'd fall on that scale.

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12-15-2019, 12:44 PM	#121
kiwi_jono Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,437	Well I remain skeptical about DPR but nice to see some recognition for sure!

12-15-2019, 06:38 PM - 1 Like	#122
VSTAR Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 390	Originally posted by Kunzite That wasn't even quality but sharpening. True, Pentax responded to that by adding further sharpening levels. The K-1 II got the second worst camera of the year award, didn't it? They even lost that prize... to the "Yashika"! dpr gave them the second worst review....because as they stated...there were not enough changes from the K1 to the K1 mark II. Now there's logic for you.

12-15-2019, 06:47 PM	#123
pentaxshooter89 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oregon Posts: 365	Positive DPR review for the K1.

12-16-2019, 03:39 AM	#124
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by VSTAR ...there were not enough changes from the K1 to the K1 mark II. Now there's logic for you. Yeah, because it is all about the "change" not about what you get overall, right? In a way, we cannot blame them for preferring new cameras that are more likely to make people with older models upgrade to the new model. After all, more camera sales translate into more profit for their Amazon overlords (provided Amazon makes the sale, which is made more likely by the myriad of Amazon links at DPReview). DPReview keep reassuring readers that Amazon does not influence their work but the DPReview crew is quite big and running this operation is sure to cost Amazon quite a bit of marketing pennies. Consciously or subconsciously, DPReview staff must understand what will help pay their bills and what doesn't quite so much.

12-16-2019, 04:10 AM	#125
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by VSTAR dpr gave them the second worst review....because as they stated...there were not enough changes from the K1 to the K1 mark II. Now there's logic for you. That's not logic, that is an excuse.

12-16-2019, 04:11 AM	#126
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by kiwi_jono Well I remain skeptical about DPR but nice to see some recognition for sure! DPR keeps sucking and blowing when it is about Pentax. I do not spend time on DPR anymore

12-16-2019, 04:29 AM	#127
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by yorik If I recall correctly (always a questionable assumption), the most valid criticism of the K-01 was the fact that Pentax let an industrial designer (Marc Newson) with no notable photography cred design the camera. It is fun to use under the right conditions (I have one), but it does not have great photographic haptics. I thought the big issues with the K-01 were a mixture of being over priced at launch, combined with really poor specifications (terrible auto focus, bad buffer situation, slow frame rate, and no viewfinder). For some reason Pentax thought people would pay big dollars for a specially designed camera, even if it didn't function terribly well as a camera. Don't get me wrong, I still shoot with my K-01 and I enjoy it, but it has huge limitations that weren't limitations of similarly priced SLRs that were out at that time.

12-16-2019, 04:56 AM	#128
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,897	Originally posted by Kunzite That's not logic, that is an excuse. I agree, but I think their main complaint was that the accelerator chip was baking in heavy-handed NR to the RAWs. I haven't used a camera that has it, but some people seem to really like what the AC does, I suppose it's a matter of preference when it comes to noise removal vs detail removal/smearing.

12-16-2019, 05:47 AM - 2 Likes	#129
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac I suppose it's a matter of preference when it comes to noise removal vs detail removal/smearing. Please give one documented, “printed” example of “detail smearing”. I have an ‘accelerator’ in my KP, and I have never seen it. But, yes, they don’t like “baked in” ‘raw’ files, which simply means ‘raw’ files which have changes which cannot be changed back - but I cannot think of why someone would want to go back to the noise.

12-16-2019, 07:20 AM	#130
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Jonathan Mac I agree, but I think their main complaint was that the accelerator chip was baking in heavy-handed NR to the RAWs. I haven't used a camera that has it, but some people seem to really like what the AC does, I suppose it's a matter of preference when it comes to noise removal vs detail removal/smearing. That is an excuse, too - "Star Eater on steroids but we never tested"?

12-16-2019, 07:25 AM - 1 Like	#131
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Kunzite That is an excuse, too - "Star Eater on steroids but we never tested"? Especially since the only astronomy photographer to test the K-1ii and write about it Pentax K-1 Mark II Astrophotography Review – Lonely Speck found no stars missing. He doesn't like the fact that you cannot turn the 'accelerator' off, but he doesn't give any reason for not liking that.

12-16-2019, 07:38 AM	#132
SteveinSLC Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2017 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 568	I've not really seen it in my KP either. There were a lot of pics posted when the K1Mk2 came out trying to figure out if there was a loss of detail. I didn't come away from all of those messages with a conclusion that there would be any noticeable losses in the real world.

12-16-2019, 07:53 AM	#133
BarneyL Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 899	Question - does the newest GR also include Accelerator Unit? Because when LensTip tested K-70, KP and K-1 II they pointed out the NR. However, they didn't say the same about GR III.

12-16-2019, 08:17 AM	#134
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by BarneyL Question - does the newest GR also include Accelerator Unit? Because when LensTip tested K-70, KP and K-1 II they pointed out the NR. However, they didn't say the same about GR III. The GR III yes, it has the accelerator.

12-17-2019, 05:18 AM	#135
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,897	Originally posted by reh321 Please give one documented, “printed” example of “detail smearing”. I have an ‘accelerator’ in my KP, and I have never seen it. But, yes, they don’t like “baked in” ‘raw’ files, which simply means ‘raw’ files which have changes which cannot be changed back - but I cannot think of why someone would want to go back to the noise. I don't have any examples, I'm just going on what people here have said. Some are very happy with the accelerator, others are not. I don't know where I'd fall on that scale.