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01-14-2020, 11:40 AM - 3 Likes   #1
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Interesting Ricoh Imaging patents (2020 edition)

Of course, a patent won't necessarily make into a product, but it's interesting to know that Ricoh Imaging is actually working on stuff

- voice coil motors for in-lens SR: ??6631046 | ???????IP Force?
(Pentax is already using in-lens SR for their 645 line)
- improving the autofocus sensor: https://ipforce.jp/patent-jp-B9-6627656
(not to the extent Canon did with their new EOS 1Dx monster)

(please correct any misinterpretation of said patents - they're quite hard to read)

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Any chance to translate it? Or better, if someone, who can understand it, could translate it from law&science language to human language?
I must say that Google-translated text from Japanese to Polish is kind-of gibberish.
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Hopefully the autofocus is the new tech for the KNEW. I'm not sure how this differs from the existing system, but I'm pretty sure the current one doesn't use backside illuminated silicon.
01-14-2020, 04:42 PM   #4
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Of course, a patent won't necessarily make into a product, but it's interesting to know that Ricoh Imaging is actually working on stuff

- voice coil motors for in-lens SR: ??6631046 | ???????IP Force?
(Pentax is already using in-lens SR for their 645 line)
- improving the autofocus sensor: ??6627656 | ???????IP Force?
(not to the extent Canon did with their new EOS 1Dx monster)

(please correct any misinterpretation of said patents - they're quite hard to read)
Using Bing translate, the first patent appears to be for the Pentax ibis system..all of the diagrams attached look like the sensor movement mechanicals.

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Hasn’t there been the observation that the Knew has a larger AF sensor (observed on the demonstrator)?

That would explain the second patent, perhaps

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The first patent is a revised IBIS that eliminates the rattle noise we hear and at the same time doesn't over power the electromagnet that's used to move the sensor.
When the electromagnet gets over powered, it can cause the sensor to move too fast in comparison to the actual stabilization needs.
This new revision uses a different type of electromagnet (voice coil) with a different spool of charged wiring to allow the whole system to move at a more controlled and smoother pace than the current SR and SRII systems.

The second patent is a new AF system that uses 2 AF modules and 2 mirrors which are offset and facing different angles. The interesting things (to me) is that the new AF system is directly tied to the exposure system with linked AF points and dual Phase detect sensors that operate both while initially acquiring focus and (if I read this correctly) during the actual time the exposure is taken. IT's basically a full time dual linked Exposure/AF system. It seems that it's very similar to Canons dual pixel AF but possibly with a unique mirror and dual AF sensor placement. The benefit of this system is full time AF with real time tracking using Phase Difference AF (Strengths of Contrast Detect AF: Accuracy, and Strengths of Phase Detect: Tracking and Speed) by combining both using 2 separate modules in parallel that see the same image in 2 different ways regardless if the mirror is down or up by lining up the 2 images (the Difference in Phase) so they match. This allows full time Phase AF in live view, movie recording and using the viewfinder.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kobie Quote
The first patent is a revised IBIS that eliminates the rattle noise we hear and at the same time doesn't over power the electromagnet that's used to move the sensor.
When the electromagnet gets over powered, it can cause the sensor to move too fast in comparison to the actual stabilization needs.
This new revision uses a different type of electromagnet (voice coil) with a different spool of charged wiring to allow the whole system to move at a more controlled and smoother pace than the current SR and SRII systems.

The second patent is a new AF system that uses 2 AF modules and 2 mirrors which are offset and facing different angles. The interesting things (to me) is that the new AF system is directly tied to the exposure system with linked AF points and dual Phase detect sensors that operate both while initially acquiring focus and (if I read this correctly) during the actual time the exposure is taken. IT's basically a full time dual linked Exposure/AF system. It seems that it's very similar to Canons dual pixel AF but possibly with a unique mirror and dual AF sensor placement. The benefit of this system is full time AF with real time tracking using Phase Difference AF (Strengths of Contrast Detect AF: Accuracy, and Strengths of Phase Detect: Tracking and Speed) by combining both using 2 separate modules in parallel that see the same image in 2 different ways regardless if the mirror is down or up by lining up the 2 images (the Difference in Phase) so they match. This allows full time Phase AF in live view, movie recording and using the viewfinder.
Ah Ha, so that's what these devious folks at Ricoh/Pentax have been up to!!

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QuoteOriginally posted by Larrymc Quote
Ah Ha, so that's what these devious folks at Ricoh/Pentax have been up to!!
I can see why they really didn't want to release any info regarding what they've been up to. Mind you, we don't know if this new tech will be in the K-New. On the other hand, with the recently announced delay..... Lol
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kobie Quote
The first patent is a revised IBIS that eliminates the rattle noise we hear and at the same time doesn't over power the electromagnet that's used to move the sensor.
When the electromagnet gets over powered, it can cause the sensor to move too fast in comparison to the actual stabilization needs.
This new revision uses a different type of electromagnet (voice coil) with a different spool of charged wiring to allow the whole system to move at a more controlled and smoother pace than the current SR and SRII systems.

The second patent is a new AF system that uses 2 AF modules and 2 mirrors which are offset and facing different angles. The interesting things (to me) is that the new AF system is directly tied to the exposure system with linked AF points and dual Phase detect sensors that operate both while initially acquiring focus and (if I read this correctly) during the actual time the exposure is taken. IT's basically a full time dual linked Exposure/AF system. It seems that it's very similar to Canons dual pixel AF but possibly with a unique mirror and dual AF sensor placement. The benefit of this system is full time AF with real time tracking using Phase Difference AF (Strengths of Contrast Detect AF: Accuracy, and Strengths of Phase Detect: Tracking and Speed) by combining both using 2 separate modules in parallel that see the same image in 2 different ways regardless if the mirror is down or up by lining up the 2 images (the Difference in Phase) so they match. This allows full time Phase AF in live view, movie recording and using the viewfinder.
But will it track a swerving bicycle?
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But will it track a swerving bicycle?
Partially & that's only IF you swerve too. Hahahah!

Good to see these Ricoh patents. At least it shows that they're busy.
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But will it track a swerving bicycle?
Not only will it track a swerving bicycle the IS system will straighten it out too.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bladerunner6 Quote
But will it track a swerving bicycle?
Track it? Sounds like it'll even ride it for you
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But will it track a swerving bicycle?
It better!
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But will it track a swerving bicycle?
Only if it has square wheels!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kobie Quote
The second patent is a new AF system that uses 2 AF modules and 2 mirrors which are offset and facing different angles. The interesting things (to me) is that the new AF system is directly tied to the exposure system with linked AF points and dual Phase detect sensors that operate both while initially acquiring focus and (if I read this correctly) during the actual time the exposure is taken. IT's basically a full time dual linked Exposure/AF system. It seems that it's very similar to Canons dual pixel AF but possibly with a unique mirror and dual AF sensor placement.
I never delved into it but I though Canons dual pixel af was about the sensor? What you are describing above sounds very different and very Pentax.
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