HD Pentax-D FA 70-210mm f/4 ED SDM WR

**ffking** · 01-23-2020, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by Riddler

The price drop quickly

Didn't happen with the previous rebadges (at least here in the UK, the price went up for a while) - but there ill always be special offers

Riddler · 01-23-2020, 04:04 AM

Possible to pre order in the VS
NOT in Europa?

UlrichSchiegg · 01-23-2020, 04:12 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mistral75

€1,199 actually, €1,200 rounded.

The RRP at launch of the Tamron 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD was €799, €800 rounded.

If the rumoured RRP of the Pentax lens is confirmed, it will be 50% more expensive than the Tamron.

1050€ launch prize of the Tamron in Europe.

**Rondec** · 01-23-2020, 04:14 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Riddler

No Tripod included. ?
Shock

I own the DFA *70-200 which does have a tripod foot with it. The reality is that 70-200 lenses aren't typically shot from a tripod. Not that they can't be. Of course, they can, but typically you are using them for portraits/snap shots/event photography where you would likely be shooting hand held. I took the lens foot off my DFA *70-200 and stuck it in the box and haven't looked at it since. Obviously if you are shooting wildlife with poor light (seems a bit short for that) or landscapes then you might still use it, but those don't seem the most obvious applications for a lens like this.

(multiple people have mentioned the lack of a tripod foot with regard to this lens and I don't think it is a big deal).

**BigMackCam** · 01-23-2020, 04:19 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I own the DFA *70-200 which does have a tripod foot with it. The reality is that 70-200 lenses aren't typically shot from a tripod. Not that they can't be. Of course, they can, but typically you are using them for portraits/snap shots/event photography where you would likely be shooting hand held. I took the lens foot off my DFA *70-200 and stuck it in the box and haven't looked at it since. Obviously if you are shooting wildlife with poor light (seems a bit short for that) or landscapes then you might still use it, but those don't seem the most obvious applications for a lens like this.

(multiple people have mentioned the lack of a tripod foot with regard to this lens and I don't think it is a big deal).

Indeed. I have the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 USD in A-mount, and my tripod mount is also in the box. In fact, the lens is more convenient to operate with the tripod mount removed...

Wheatfield · 01-23-2020, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

Even if the f/4 and f/2.8 were the same price, many would prefer the former because of weight and size. The price of oranges is not relevant if you want an apple.

The price of oranges becomes very relevant if the price is set at userous levels.
The point you are trying to make is not especially reality based.

steephill · 01-23-2020, 04:28 AM

I leave the tripod foot on - rotated to the top of the lens it makes a good carry handle, although I am sad to say that mine hasn't seen many photons since getting the DFA150-450. Price wise I only paid £100 more for the DFA*70-200 than the current launch price of the DFA70-210. So if I were to get an attack of LBA I would be waiting for a much better price than that.

WorksAsIntended · 01-23-2020, 04:29 AM - **1 Like**

The few times I did shoot some soccer games I used a monopod with the 70-200 f2.8 (not Pentax though). I wouls expect monopods to be a more often seen use case than tripods on standard tele lenses.

**Rondec** · 01-23-2020, 04:30 AM - **1 Like**

The point is really that Pentax always sets release prices as high as they think the market will bear. It lets them get the "early money" for those who can't bear to wait for a new lens till the price has dropped a bit and further it lets them claim that the lens is heavily discounted when it eventually sells for 20 percent off list price at 900 dollars.

Retailers do this all the time with clothing. The shirts I buy always are discounted 25 percent, but then I think the MSRP on them is just set 25 percent higher than what the brands actually expect to get.

Andrea K · 01-23-2020, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Indeed. I have the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 USD in A-mount, and my tripod mount is also in the box. In fact, the lens is more convenient to operate with the tripod mount removed...

The tripod mount of my 60-250 is used when needed

**Rondec** · 01-23-2020, 04:32 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by WorksAsIntended

The few times I did shoot some soccer games I used a monopod with the 70-200 f2.8 (not Pentax though). I wouls expect monopods to be a more often seen use case than tripods on standard tele lenses.

I would think the DFA *70-200 (which does come with a tripod foot included) would be a better choice for sporting events due to the stop faster aperture.

**Serkevan** · 01-23-2020, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by ffking

It's true too that the Canon and Nikon own make 70-200/4 lenses are regularly used without a tripod collar even if one is available (which I'm not sure about). Admittedly the L-series Canon is a fair bit lighter, but this one is comparable to the Nikon in weight.

Only ~40 g lighter for the IS version (780 g?). The Canon with hood weighs as much as the Pentax without, give or take.

The non-IS is 700 g though, which is what I was personally hoping for.

**BigMackCam** · 01-23-2020, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by Andrea K

The tripod mount of my 60-250 is used when needed

Strangely enough, I also use the tripod mount on my 60-250 - but only as a carry handle

Reed · 01-23-2020, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Strangely enough, I also use the tripod mount on my 60-250 - but only as a carry handle

For Tamron, tripod colar foot is sa small that not realy a loss here on that function

This is main reason why my Tammy 70-200/2.8 colar stays at home 95% of time I use that lens.

Riddler · 01-23-2020, 05:03 AM

No tripod collar for that price

Pentax Dont love their customers

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01-23-2020, 04:01 AM	#376
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Riddler The price drop quickly Didn't happen with the previous rebadges (at least here in the UK, the price went up for a while) - but there ill always be special offers

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Riddler Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 250	Possible to pre order in the VS NOT in Europa?

01-23-2020, 04:12 AM - 1 Like	#378
UlrichSchiegg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 298	Originally posted by Mistral75 €1,199 actually, €1,200 rounded. The RRP at launch of the Tamron 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD was €799, €800 rounded. If the rumoured RRP of the Pentax lens is confirmed, it will be 50% more expensive than the Tamron. 1050€ launch prize of the Tamron in Europe.

01-23-2020, 04:14 AM - 2 Likes	#379
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by Riddler No Tripod included. ? Shock I own the DFA 70-200 which does have a tripod foot with it. The reality is that 70-200 lenses aren't typically shot from a tripod. Not that they can't be. Of course, they can, but typically you are using them for portraits/snap shots/event photography where you would likely be shooting hand held. I took the lens foot off my DFA 70-200 and stuck it in the box and haven't looked at it since. Obviously if you are shooting wildlife with poor light (seems a bit short for that) or landscapes then you might still use it, but those don't seem the most obvious applications for a lens like this. (multiple people have mentioned the lack of a tripod foot with regard to this lens and I don't think it is a big deal).

01-23-2020, 04:19 AM	#380
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,669	Originally posted by Rondec I own the DFA 70-200 which does have a tripod foot with it. The reality is that 70-200 lenses aren't typically shot from a tripod. Not that they can't be. Of course, they can, but typically you are using them for portraits/snap shots/event photography where you would likely be shooting hand held. I took the lens foot off my DFA 70-200 and stuck it in the box and haven't looked at it since. Obviously if you are shooting wildlife with poor light (seems a bit short for that) or landscapes then you might still use it, but those don't seem the most obvious applications for a lens like this. (multiple people have mentioned the lack of a tripod foot with regard to this lens and I don't think it is a big deal). Indeed. I have the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 USD in A-mount, and my tripod mount is also in the box. In fact, the lens is more convenient to operate with the tripod mount removed...

01-23-2020, 04:26 AM	#381
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman Even if the f/4 and f/2.8 were the same price, many would prefer the former because of weight and size. The price of oranges is not relevant if you want an apple. The price of oranges becomes very relevant if the price is set at userous levels. The point you are trying to make is not especially reality based.

01-23-2020, 04:28 AM	#382
steephill Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Photos: Gallery Posts: 585	I leave the tripod foot on - rotated to the top of the lens it makes a good carry handle, although I am sad to say that mine hasn't seen many photons since getting the DFA150-450. Price wise I only paid £100 more for the DFA*70-200 than the current launch price of the DFA70-210. So if I were to get an attack of LBA I would be waiting for a much better price than that.

01-23-2020, 04:29 AM - 1 Like	#383
WorksAsIntended Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 639	The few times I did shoot some soccer games I used a monopod with the 70-200 f2.8 (not Pentax though). I wouls expect monopods to be a more often seen use case than tripods on standard tele lenses.

01-23-2020, 04:30 AM - 1 Like	#384
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	The point is really that Pentax always sets release prices as high as they think the market will bear. It lets them get the "early money" for those who can't bear to wait for a new lens till the price has dropped a bit and further it lets them claim that the lens is heavily discounted when it eventually sells for 20 percent off list price at 900 dollars. Retailers do this all the time with clothing. The shirts I buy always are discounted 25 percent, but then I think the MSRP on them is just set 25 percent higher than what the brands actually expect to get.

01-23-2020, 04:31 AM	#385
Andrea K Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 822	Originally posted by BigMackCam Indeed. I have the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 USD in A-mount, and my tripod mount is also in the box. In fact, the lens is more convenient to operate with the tripod mount removed... The tripod mount of my 60-250 is used when needed

01-23-2020, 04:32 AM - 1 Like	#386
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by WorksAsIntended The few times I did shoot some soccer games I used a monopod with the 70-200 f2.8 (not Pentax though). I wouls expect monopods to be a more often seen use case than tripods on standard tele lenses. I would think the DFA *70-200 (which does come with a tripod foot included) would be a better choice for sporting events due to the stop faster aperture.

01-23-2020, 04:36 AM	#387
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by ffking It's true too that the Canon and Nikon own make 70-200/4 lenses are regularly used without a tripod collar even if one is available (which I'm not sure about). Admittedly the L-series Canon is a fair bit lighter, but this one is comparable to the Nikon in weight. Only ~40 g lighter for the IS version (780 g?). The Canon with hood weighs as much as the Pentax without, give or take. The non-IS is 700 g though, which is what I was personally hoping for.

01-23-2020, 04:46 AM	#388
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,669	Originally posted by Andrea K The tripod mount of my 60-250 is used when needed Strangely enough, I also use the tripod mount on my 60-250 - but only as a carry handle

01-23-2020, 04:49 AM	#389
Reed Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Warsaw Photos: Gallery Posts: 638	Originally posted by BigMackCam Strangely enough, I also use the tripod mount on my 60-250 - but only as a carry handle For Tamron, tripod colar foot is sa small that not realy a loss here on that function This is main reason why my Tammy 70-200/2.8 colar stays at home 95% of time I use that lens.

01-23-2020, 05:03 AM	#390
Riddler Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 250	No tripod collar for that price Pentax Dont love their customers