HD Pentax-D FA 70-210mm f/4 ED SDM WR

thibs · 02-16-2020, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

That's a 100 Euros less than German price.

Yep, surprising...

Franc · 02-16-2020, 01:11 AM - **1 Like**

correction €1079, he dropped another €20 since yesterday see link:
Pentax D HD FA 70-210mm F/4 ED SDM WR

biz-engineer · 02-16-2020, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Franc

correction €1079, he dropped another €20 since yesterday see link:

We're dangerously getting close to 999 Euros.

bxf · 02-16-2020, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Franc

correction €1079, he dropped another €20 since yesterday see link:
Pentax D HD FA 70-210mm F/4 ED SDM WR

And with a five year guarantee! We don't see many of those in Europe, or from Pentax, for that matter.

**Rondec** · 02-16-2020, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by cport

Congrats! How is it in terms of AF? Is it faster than 50-135? Could you give me some feedback pls? I am thining of this lens too

I think any of the recent lenses with their DC/ring/PLM motors is faster than the old SDM motors which were in the original DA * lenses. The 50-135 and DA *55 are the worst culprits, but the others were pretty slow.

I've not used this lens, but I would guarantee it is faster than the DA * SDM lenses (although that isn't saying much). My guess is that it is probably faster to focus than the DFA *70-200 (which I do own), mainly because the lens groups are smaller that it has to move to focus.

cport · 02-16-2020, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I think any of the recent lenses with their DC/ring/PLM motors is faster than the old SDM motors which were in the original DA * lenses. The 50-135 and DA *55 are the worst culprits, but the others were pretty slow.

I've not used this lens, but I would guarantee it is faster than the DA * SDM lenses (although that isn't saying much). My guess is that it is probably faster to focus than the DFA *70-200 (which I do own), mainly because the lens groups are smaller that it has to move to focus.

I hoped in that (faster AF due to smaller optical elements).

But to be honest - I was disappointed with the speed of 20-40 ...

Kunzite · 02-16-2020, 05:05 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

My guess is that it is probably faster to focus than the DFA *70-200 (which I do own), mainly because the lens groups are smaller that it has to move to focus.

It's larger, I believe. The 70-210 is using a larger, front focus group.
But it has a ring type SDM, so it should be somewhat faster.

**Rondec** · 02-16-2020, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

It's larger, I believe. The 70-210 is using a larger, front focus group.
But it has a ring type SDM, so it should be somewhat faster.

I don't know. The DFA *70-200 is pretty fast, fast enough for me, so if it is equivalent that is probably fine.

WorksAsIntended · 02-16-2020, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I don't know. The DFA *70-200 is pretty fast, fast enough for me, so if it is equivalent that is probably fine.

If the af does not miss completly and you have to not go inf-close-target, it is ok.
If you need to go through the whole range it is not exactly fast by my standards. I did not measure it, but the current Nikon f-mount version feels about twice as fast in this matter.

mbukal · 02-16-2020, 08:08 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

I also know very well the 50-135mm f2.8 lens and also the Tamron 70-210mm f4 lens and I'm confident that the Pentax 70-210mm f4 lens is better both optically and in terms of af speed.

Originally posted by Rondec

I think any of the recent lenses with their DC/ring/PLM motors is faster than the old SDM motors which were in the original DA * lenses. The 50-135 and DA *55 are the worst culprits, but the others were pretty slow.

.

I used on the fantastic K30 a lot of DA * 50-135 / 2.8 for all kinds of manifestations, an optically phenomenal lens, if the DFA 70-200 / 4 had the same optical characteristics and a decisive and fast focus / much faster than DA * 50-135 / 2.8 and not crawling all over the range as with FA 80-320 / 4.5-5.6 this will be the dream come true of every Pentaxianer for that range

K30+50-135/2,8

K30+80-320/4,5-5,6 (silver)

K1+80-320/4,5-5,6 (silver)

so these two (DA50-135 + FA80-320) with optical features in one but with significantly improved features in the form of faster and decisive focusing packed as a DFA 70-200 / 4 is my wish and I think most Pentaxians, hallelujah

**pres589** · 02-16-2020, 08:06 PM

Looking online today, it seems like the 70-210 f4 is priced slightly below new pricing for the 60-250 f4. That surprised me; I figured that pricing on the older lens would have been much reduced during its time for sale. A comparison between the 60-250, 70-210, and 70-200 f2.8 Pentax (and maybe the old Tamron 70-200 f2.8? Wondering about continued availability of that lens brand new) would be very cool.

redpit · 02-17-2020, 12:23 AM

In Greece it is priced the same as in Germany, 1199€.

Zygonyx · 02-17-2020, 02:18 AM

In UK SRS used to have way better prices than in continental Europe.
But that was before Brexit.

**Rondec** · 02-17-2020, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by pres589

Looking online today, it seems like the 70-210 f4 is priced slightly below new pricing for the 60-250 f4. That surprised me; I figured that pricing on the older lens would have been much reduced during its time for sale. A comparison between the 60-250, 70-210, and 70-200 f2.8 Pentax (and maybe the old Tamron 70-200 f2.8? Wondering about continued availability of that lens brand new) would be very cool.

I expect the DA *60-250 to be around for awhile. Certainly Pentax probably has a decent stock of them at this point. Beyond that, the 60-250 is an APS-C lens. It was supposed to fill the gap a 100-400 lens would fill in the full frame line up. The 70-210, at least to the average individual, isn't going to cover that range and so an APS-C user (who doesn't understand focus breathing) might be willing to pay for an extra 10mm on the wide end and 40 mm on the long end.

**pres589** · 02-17-2020, 06:23 AM

Thought the design specs on the 60-250 was for full frame which they then tweaked out of the final product with the baffle which users here have been modifying to work nicely on the K-1. This would be a study in trade-off's; 70-210 shouldn't suffer the focus breathing of the 60-250, -250 lens covers more range, what's the IQ like if we just shoot all four on a K-1 with the -250 using a modified baffle, etc etc. Lets a crop shooter decide if they want to give up the added range if the IQ is sufficiently better and the lens is nicer to use, what's a full frame person to consider, etc etc. I think there's definitely a case for either the -210 or the -250 lens for a lot of folks but they need a 1:1 comparison of them along with the current alternatives to really decide accurately.

02-16-2020, 08:08 AM - 1 Like	#1165
mbukal Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: zagreb Posts: 668	Originally posted by Dan Rentea I also know very well the 50-135mm f2.8 lens and also the Tamron 70-210mm f4 lens and I'm confident that the Pentax 70-210mm f4 lens is better both optically and in terms of af speed. Originally posted by Rondec I think any of the recent lenses with their DC/ring/PLM motors is faster than the old SDM motors which were in the original DA * lenses. The 50-135 and DA 55 are the worst culprits, but the others were pretty slow. . I used on the fantastic K30 a lot of DA 50-135 / 2.8 for all kinds of manifestations, an optically phenomenal lens, if the DFA 70-200 / 4 had the same optical characteristics and a decisive and fast focus / much faster than DA * 50-135 / 2.8 and not crawling all over the range as with FA 80-320 / 4.5-5.6 this will be the dream come true of every Pentaxianer for that range K30+50-135/2,8 K30+80-320/4,5-5,6 (silver) K1+80-320/4,5-5,6 (silver) so these two (DA50-135 + FA80-320) with optical features in one but with significantly improved features in the form of faster and decisive focusing packed as a DFA 70-200 / 4 is my wish and I think most Pentaxians, hallelujah Last edited by mbukal; 02-16-2020 at 08:26 AM.

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by Franc correction €1079, he dropped another €20 since yesterday see link: We're dangerously getting close to 999 Euros.

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bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by Franc correction €1079, he dropped another €20 since yesterday see link: Pentax D HD FA 70-210mm F/4 ED SDM WR And with a five year guarantee! We don't see many of those in Europe, or from Pentax, for that matter.

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by cport Congrats! How is it in terms of AF? Is it faster than 50-135? Could you give me some feedback pls? I am thining of this lens too I think any of the recent lenses with their DC/ring/PLM motors is faster than the old SDM motors which were in the original DA * lenses. The 50-135 and DA 55 are the worst culprits, but the others were pretty slow. I've not used this lens, but I would guarantee it is faster than the DA SDM lenses (although that isn't saying much). My guess is that it is probably faster to focus than the DFA *70-200 (which I do own), mainly because the lens groups are smaller that it has to move to focus.

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cport Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 428	Originally posted by Rondec I think any of the recent lenses with their DC/ring/PLM motors is faster than the old SDM motors which were in the original DA * lenses. The 50-135 and DA 55 are the worst culprits, but the others were pretty slow. I've not used this lens, but I would guarantee it is faster than the DA SDM lenses (although that isn't saying much). My guess is that it is probably faster to focus than the DFA *70-200 (which I do own), mainly because the lens groups are smaller that it has to move to focus. I hoped in that (faster AF due to smaller optical elements). But to be honest - I was disappointed with the speed of 20-40 ...

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by Kunzite It's larger, I believe. The 70-210 is using a larger, front focus group. But it has a ring type SDM, so it should be somewhat faster. I don't know. The DFA *70-200 is pretty fast, fast enough for me, so if it is equivalent that is probably fine.

02-16-2020, 06:41 AM	#1164
WorksAsIntended Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 639	Originally posted by Rondec I don't know. The DFA *70-200 is pretty fast, fast enough for me, so if it is equivalent that is probably fine. If the af does not miss completly and you have to not go inf-close-target, it is ok. If you need to go through the whole range it is not exactly fast by my standards. I did not measure it, but the current Nikon f-mount version feels about twice as fast in this matter.

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pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Looking online today, it seems like the 70-210 f4 is priced slightly below new pricing for the 60-250 f4. That surprised me; I figured that pricing on the older lens would have been much reduced during its time for sale. A comparison between the 60-250, 70-210, and 70-200 f2.8 Pentax (and maybe the old Tamron 70-200 f2.8? Wondering about continued availability of that lens brand new) would be very cool.

02-17-2020, 12:23 AM	#1167
redpit Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Greece Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	In Greece it is priced the same as in Germany, 1199€.

02-17-2020, 02:18 AM	#1168
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	In UK SRS used to have way better prices than in continental Europe. But that was before Brexit.

02-17-2020, 03:59 AM	#1169
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by pres589 Looking online today, it seems like the 70-210 f4 is priced slightly below new pricing for the 60-250 f4. That surprised me; I figured that pricing on the older lens would have been much reduced during its time for sale. A comparison between the 60-250, 70-210, and 70-200 f2.8 Pentax (and maybe the old Tamron 70-200 f2.8? Wondering about continued availability of that lens brand new) would be very cool. I expect the DA *60-250 to be around for awhile. Certainly Pentax probably has a decent stock of them at this point. Beyond that, the 60-250 is an APS-C lens. It was supposed to fill the gap a 100-400 lens would fill in the full frame line up. The 70-210, at least to the average individual, isn't going to cover that range and so an APS-C user (who doesn't understand focus breathing) might be willing to pay for an extra 10mm on the wide end and 40 mm on the long end.

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pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Thought the design specs on the 60-250 was for full frame which they then tweaked out of the final product with the baffle which users here have been modifying to work nicely on the K-1. This would be a study in trade-off's; 70-210 shouldn't suffer the focus breathing of the 60-250, -250 lens covers more range, what's the IQ like if we just shoot all four on a K-1 with the -250 using a modified baffle, etc etc. Lets a crop shooter decide if they want to give up the added range if the IQ is sufficiently better and the lens is nicer to use, what's a full frame person to consider, etc etc. I think there's definitely a case for either the -210 or the -250 lens for a lot of folks but they need a 1:1 comparison of them along with the current alternatives to really decide accurately.