Pentax K-3 II successor on September 2020

reh321 · 05-24-2020, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by bertwert

Hey, I was winning that argument (in my opinion, that is)

I am not sure why we are having this discussion.

I have always said that I value high ISO performance because it is there if I need it.
I would never take a picture like your example - there is no reason to go to a high ISO under those conditions.
If I wanted lots of detail, I would use a Nikon D850 or a Canon 5DS, but those cameras are rated poorly at higher ISO levels.

I use higher ISO levels in shooting birds and squirrels because I need higher shutter speed and I still want DOF.

I used higher ISO to take my photo on the previous page because of ambient light level - I could have taken time to fetch a tripod, but then the kitten could have left.

Flash often changes the picture - for example the flashes at the beginning of the NASCAR race last year at this time illuminated fans more than cars; they also add shadows and often hide sights such as TV, and the "Law of Squares" often results in strange effects {as mentioned above}.

Last edited by reh321; 05-24-2020 at 10:53 AM.

Parallax · 05-24-2020, 11:52 AM - **6 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

I am not sure why we are having this discussion.

I'm not sure either, but this would be a really good time to drop it.

Just in case that hint was too subtle, let me be more direct. DROP IT. Both of you.

(was that clear enough?)

bertwert · 05-24-2020, 01:55 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Parallax

DROP IT.

I've done that before. My camera, that is. Good ol' Pentax durability.

Parallax · 05-24-2020, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by bertwert

I've done that before. My camera, that is. Good ol' Pentax durability.

Kid, are you deliberately trying to tick me off?

aitrus3 · 05-30-2020, 09:01 AM

Haha I see my mention kicked another hornets nest. I do apologize to everyone else for whatever followed... Some other folks pushed the matter, I was merely saying the only camera I was ever toxic to, from Pentax, was the KP and wanted to leave it at that. This however is generally why I stay away from these threads; Pentaxians are a good bunch of photographers, but man do we nitpick. I think that is everywhere though. You should see some telescope discussions...

Ronald Oakes · 06-02-2020, 10:30 AM - **1 Like**

What did I miss ?

Ronald Oakes · 06-02-2020, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by bertwert

I've done that before. My camera, that is. Good ol' Pentax durability.

Was it an intentional "Test Drop" as to verify the durability ? Or a much more subtle "Real Life" drop from say from speeding car's roof ?
I got tired of the "Drops" a long time ago.....much more prevalent nowdays is the "Dunk" !

bertwert · 06-02-2020, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Ronald Oakes

Was it an intentional "Test Drop" as to verify the durability ? Or a much more subtle "Real Life" drop from say from speeding car's roof ?
I got tired of the "Drops" a long time ago.....much more prevalent nowdays is the "Dunk" !

No intentional drops but, accidentally, it may have happened once or twice...

**TER-OR** · 06-03-2020, 06:33 AM

If it's been answered here I apologize, but will this new unit have a pop-up flash? I hope it follows the K3II construction with GPS instead. That way I can use my ring flash in the field and log data simultaneously without having a pass-through adapter.

**Mikesul** · 06-03-2020, 06:37 AM - **1 Like**

I do not think the flash/gps issue has been revealed yet. There is no gps button in evidence but that could be handled in other ways

Mistral75 · 06-03-2020, 07:13 AM

No erectile onboard flash for sure. As for the GPS, the jury is still out.

gatorguy · 06-03-2020, 02:17 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bertwert

No intentional drops but, accidentally, it may have happened once or twice...

After a remote location shoot last year I had a significant amount of gear to tote back and load up in the truck. I wanted to avoid multiple trips and had stuff in hands, over shoulders, and a cart dragging behind.

When I got to the truck I quickly started putting pieces down since it had been a bit of a walk and muscles were tired. The top bed rail was a good flat spot to put my cameras while loading up lights and modifiers and stands and whatever. Well you can guess what I did. One of my cameras was left on that bed rail as I drove off, and it had a less than 30 day old HD DFA 50 attached.

I had to drive slowly by a couple of crew guys while crossing a small wooden bridge spanning a a creek and was kidding with them about a dip in the water. Not 10 feet past that bridge they began yelling at me that something fell off my truck. It was that camera and lens of course. Thank goodness it landed on soft ground from recent rains. Other than a bit of mud all was good tho a few minutes of stress was involved until I stopped to take a couple of shots at the next clearing and found no damage. Gosh I felt dumb.

Ronald Oakes · 06-03-2020, 08:50 PM

Possibly No GPS ?….quite possibly No onboard flash ?......And almost certainly NO articulating screen ?.....Sounds like a real Winner !
I got to this party a bit late so please excuse my excitement (or lack thereof)…..

MMVIII · 06-04-2020, 01:35 AM - **8 Likes**

Originally posted by Ronald Oakes

Possibly No GPS ?….quite possibly No onboard flash ?......And almost certainly NO articulating screen ?.....Sounds like a real Winner !
I got to this party a bit late so please excuse my excitement (or lack thereof)…..

You must be fun at parties

**TER-OR** · 06-04-2020, 05:46 AM - **1 Like**

I gladly trade the flash for the GPS. The small FG201 is a better flash anyway and compact.

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05-24-2020, 10:46 AM	#136
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by bertwert Hey, I was winning that argument (in my opinion, that is) I am not sure why we are having this discussion. I have always said that I value high ISO performance because it is there if I need it. I would never take a picture like your example - there is no reason to go to a high ISO under those conditions. If I wanted lots of detail, I would use a Nikon D850 or a Canon 5DS, but those cameras are rated poorly at higher ISO levels. I use higher ISO levels in shooting birds and squirrels because I need higher shutter speed and I still want DOF. I used higher ISO to take my photo on the previous page because of ambient light level - I could have taken time to fetch a tripod, but then the kitten could have left. Flash often changes the picture - for example the flashes at the beginning of the NASCAR race last year at this time illuminated fans more than cars; they also add shadows and often hide sights such as TV, and the "Law of Squares" often results in strange effects {as mentioned above}. Last edited by reh321; 05-24-2020 at 10:53 AM.

05-24-2020, 11:52 AM - 6 Likes	#137
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by reh321 I am not sure why we are having this discussion. I'm not sure either, but this would be a really good time to drop it. Just in case that hint was too subtle, let me be more direct. DROP IT. Both of you. (was that clear enough?)

05-24-2020, 01:55 PM - 4 Likes	#138
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by Parallax DROP IT. I've done that before. My camera, that is. Good ol' Pentax durability.

05-24-2020, 02:35 PM	#139
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by bertwert I've done that before. My camera, that is. Good ol' Pentax durability. Kid, are you deliberately trying to tick me off?

05-30-2020, 09:01 AM	#140
aitrus3 Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kamloops B.C. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,432	Haha I see my mention kicked another hornets nest. I do apologize to everyone else for whatever followed... Some other folks pushed the matter, I was merely saying the only camera I was ever toxic to, from Pentax, was the KP and wanted to leave it at that. This however is generally why I stay away from these threads; Pentaxians are a good bunch of photographers, but man do we nitpick. I think that is everywhere though. You should see some telescope discussions...

06-02-2020, 10:30 AM - 1 Like	#141
Ronald Oakes Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,582	What did I miss ?

06-02-2020, 08:26 PM	#142
Ronald Oakes Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,582	Originally posted by bertwert I've done that before. My camera, that is. Good ol' Pentax durability. Was it an intentional "Test Drop" as to verify the durability ? Or a much more subtle "Real Life" drop from say from speeding car's roof ? I got tired of the "Drops" a long time ago.....much more prevalent nowdays is the "Dunk" !

06-02-2020, 08:31 PM	#143
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by Ronald Oakes Was it an intentional "Test Drop" as to verify the durability ? Or a much more subtle "Real Life" drop from say from speeding car's roof ? I got tired of the "Drops" a long time ago.....much more prevalent nowdays is the "Dunk" ! No intentional drops but, accidentally, it may have happened once or twice...

06-03-2020, 06:33 AM	#144
TER-OR Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dundee, IL Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,699	If it's been answered here I apologize, but will this new unit have a pop-up flash? I hope it follows the K3II construction with GPS instead. That way I can use my ring flash in the field and log data simultaneously without having a pass-through adapter.

06-03-2020, 06:37 AM - 1 Like	#145
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,591	I do not think the flash/gps issue has been revealed yet. There is no gps button in evidence but that could be handled in other ways

06-03-2020, 07:13 AM	#146
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,525	No erectile onboard flash for sure. As for the GPS, the jury is still out.

06-03-2020, 02:17 PM - 1 Like	#147
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,089	Originally posted by bertwert No intentional drops but, accidentally, it may have happened once or twice... After a remote location shoot last year I had a significant amount of gear to tote back and load up in the truck. I wanted to avoid multiple trips and had stuff in hands, over shoulders, and a cart dragging behind. When I got to the truck I quickly started putting pieces down since it had been a bit of a walk and muscles were tired. The top bed rail was a good flat spot to put my cameras while loading up lights and modifiers and stands and whatever. Well you can guess what I did. One of my cameras was left on that bed rail as I drove off, and it had a less than 30 day old HD DFA 50 attached. I had to drive slowly by a couple of crew guys while crossing a small wooden bridge spanning a a creek and was kidding with them about a dip in the water. Not 10 feet past that bridge they began yelling at me that something fell off my truck. It was that camera and lens of course. Thank goodness it landed on soft ground from recent rains. Other than a bit of mud all was good tho a few minutes of stress was involved until I stopped to take a couple of shots at the next clearing and found no damage. Gosh I felt dumb.

06-03-2020, 08:50 PM	#148
Ronald Oakes Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,582	Possibly No GPS ?….quite possibly No onboard flash ?......And almost certainly NO articulating screen ?.....Sounds like a real Winner ! I got to this party a bit late so please excuse my excitement (or lack thereof)…..

06-04-2020, 01:35 AM - 8 Likes	#149
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Ronald Oakes Possibly No GPS ?….quite possibly No onboard flash ?......And almost certainly NO articulating screen ?.....Sounds like a real Winner ! I got to this party a bit late so please excuse my excitement (or lack thereof)….. You must be fun at parties

06-04-2020, 05:46 AM - 1 Like	#150
TER-OR Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dundee, IL Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,699	I gladly trade the flash for the GPS. The small FG201 is a better flash anyway and compact.

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