Originally posted by ThorSanchez it's hard to justify to myself a $5000 FF kit when my APS-C one does so well.
Especially in this day and age of COVID crisis, frugality is something that I really should take it to heart. I am ashamed to say that I am not as discipline as you are! The last portion of your statement was what I was referring to. I agree that when there is that great of a price difference ($5,000 vs $2,000), putting aside the issue of whether if you really need it or not, the decision is utterly clear. Most recent and updated technology for less than half the cost of FF. Depending on your lens inventory, this really can be no brainer. I think there are lots of Pentaxians in that predicament who have slew of DA ltds. But when the outgoing FF, outdated it maybe, is costing less than upcoming APSC, it suddenly becomes a consideration, even if you may not have as many FF lenses.
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Originally posted by gatorguy The only reason I added a FF (K1) is because I got it so inexpensively, no more than a new KP. Now that I have it I really like the controls and handling. I very much enjoy certain old glass, more so than on my crop cameras, and the FA's seem to perform better. For example I was ready to sell off my FA31, very meh on crop IMHO. On the K1 it shines much brighter. Oh and the extra dynamic range and crop-happy pixels have helped.
BUT...
In general are the images noticeably less noisey, or have smoother bokeh, or otherwise recognizably superior to what my entry-level K70's give me with good glass? Nope, not really. At this point in my photo journey I would not choose a FF over a crop simply for "better photos".
For me it's far more about the glass and the technique than the camera in between them. Cheap camera with great glass will give you far better images than an expensive camera with kit lenses. And those nicer photos will encourage you to shoot more and work on technique rather than put it on a shelf somewhere or on Ebay.
So from where I stand the APS-C is smaller, lighter, less expensive, and supported by lots of really nice meant-for-digital lenses with modern coatings that help with various light issues. I won't be selling my K1. I really like it. A lot. But not because I see a big difference in the photos it produces. I don't. I'm equally as happy with those K-70's (not so much the KP but that's simply ergonomics. Try it before buy it IMO) even if for different reasons.
My "excuse" for jumping on K-1 was exactly that. I have waited years so that I could try my FA ltds on FF. I was just dying to try out the three amigos on FF to see what the output would look like, at their intended focal lengths. I had to say it didn't disappoint. It's a side note, but my opinion on them has changed because of K-1. I was of the impression before K-1 came out that FA 31 was the best of the three. Now my opinion is that 77 is the best, 43 next, while 31 being last place, it is still ridiculously outstanding. My point is that because of FF I could see more of what these lenses could offer. I am utterly satisfied with K-1, even after 4 years, and when new bodies come out, APS-C or FF, I have no plan to upgrade.
Again, when a secondhand K-1 in excellent shape can be had for close to $1500 or less, spending $2,000 (if that is indeed the pricing) on K-new would be a tough sell for me.
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Originally posted by Serkevan I'm exactly in the same camp... I got a K-1 under 2000 clicks for about a hundred more than a similarly
used KP... it was certainly an incredible upgrade over the K-7, but I had the feeling I'd still be happy with the KP and maybe should have gone with that one... until I got the D FA 28-105, the M20/4 and now the FA 77 has me enthralled. I'm not "going back" simply because I like my lenses too much now
Yea those of us who have invested in FA ltds - there really is no going back now. I agree. Even compared against Leica lenses, the ltds more than hold their own for sure. K-1 for $100 less than brand new KP is another example that illustrates my point. I mean, why not, right?