D FA 21 Limited is one of the three.

dbs · 03-24-2021, 12:44 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Well, that is how companies are managed (by bean counters). Financial report bottom line overrule all, which can have weird effects in the real world. And it's not only Pentax, also other camera brands can be affected, such as customers who order a new camera or lenses (not my case) and deliveries take months (cause: some folks decided to have zero stock).

Hi Biz

The no holding of stock by retailers has been going on for years.
The no news on the 21 what do you expect after the last year we have all gone through.?

biz-engineer · 03-24-2021, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by dbs

The no news on the 21 what do you expect after the last year we have all gone through.?

Disturbances in operations.

texandrews · 03-24-2021, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Disturbances in operations.

For instance: Where Are Those Shoes You Ordered? Check the Ocean Floor | WIRED

**RobA_Oz** · 03-24-2021, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by dbs

The no holding of stock by retailers has been going on for years.

Which is a bit odd when you think about it. The no/low stock approach appeared because interest rates were high at the time. The Just-In-Time supply theory gave it a name and some management credibility, but it’s survived into the low/no interest era.

You can understand why a manufacturer of large objects or huge numbers of small objects doesn’t want them hanging around in their premises, soaking up space and rental or opportunity costs, but retailers of small expensive objects like cameras and lenses don’t need to have large numbers of them and therefore don’t have the same space problem. Perhaps they still operate on expensive overdrafts to maintain their stocks, or maybe the online sellers running out of someone’s kitchen and relying on wholesalers’ stocks have put the squeeze on them.

Last edited by RobA_Oz; 03-24-2021 at 07:40 PM.

biz-engineer · 03-24-2021, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Which is a bit odd when you think about it. The no/low stock approach appeared because interest rates were high at the time. The Just-In-Time supply theory gave it a name and some management credibility, but it’s survived into the low/no interest era.

Ah ah! Spot on. I think the zero stock approach is still applied for electronics, although it would make much sensor for commodities in an era of low (or even negative) interest rates. DELL or HP used to say that electronic products drop 25% in value per year. So, the zero stock isn't about interest rates anymore, it's about "what do we do of our unsold inventory the day competitors come up with a better model".

**RobA_Oz** · 03-24-2021, 03:43 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Ah ah! Spot on. I think the zero stock approach is still applied for electronics, although it would make much sensor for commodities in an era of low (or even negative) interest rates. DELL or HP used to say that electronic products drop 25% in value per year. So, the zero stock isn't about interest rates anymore, it's about "what do we do of our unsold inventory the day competitors come up with a better model".

Even in an era of mature markets, when “more than good enough” is now the norm. The trick now seems to be (to me) to convince people to part with more (increasingly more) money chasing largely illusory (or at least marginal) benefits.

None of this applies to the K-3iii, of course, let alone the D FA21 Fwhatever Limited.

dbs · 03-24-2021, 04:03 PM

On a side note
What are the other 2 after the 21 ?

phoebus · 03-24-2021, 05:16 PM

DFA*85 and DA*16-50 were the other 2...

dbs · 03-24-2021, 05:21 PM

The 16 - 50 is a Limited ?

deus ursus · 03-24-2021, 10:48 PM

The thread title refers to a news release(?) from Ricoh(?) one time before last year's CP+, where it was said they were working on three lenses.

biz-engineer · 03-24-2021, 11:06 PM - **1 Like**

I set my D-FA 15-30 at 21mm and pretend it's the D-FA 21 limited, have my pictures placebo-ed.

**RobA_Oz** · 03-24-2021, 11:30 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by deus ursus

The thread title refers to a news release(?) from Ricoh(?) one time before last year's CP+, where it was said they were working on three lenses.

Yes. We have one available already (the D FA*85/1.4), and the other two (the new DA*16-50/2.8 and the D FA21/? Limited) are awaited. We're all filling in time as we wait for more details on the latter two, just as with the K-3iii. Some of us are also taking photos with the gear we already own.

dbs · 03-25-2021, 12:33 AM

A miss interpretation on my part.
The 50 and 85 are released and waiting on the 21 for the primes

Paul the Sunman · 03-25-2021, 01:04 AM - **1 Like**

We've been waiting even longer for the fabled FF teleconverter.

dbs · 03-25-2021, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

We've been waiting even longer for the fabled FF teleconverter.

Hi Paul

Having had 3 owners in the not so distant past , each owner changed its mind on what they wanted to produce first, and the FF tele slipped the list.

Dave

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03-24-2021, 12:44 PM - 2 Likes	#1066
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	Originally posted by biz-engineer Well, that is how companies are managed (by bean counters). Financial report bottom line overrule all, which can have weird effects in the real world. And it's not only Pentax, also other camera brands can be affected, such as customers who order a new camera or lenses (not my case) and deliveries take months (cause: some folks decided to have zero stock). Hi Biz The no holding of stock by retailers has been going on for years. The no news on the 21 what do you expect after the last year we have all gone through.?

03-24-2021, 01:42 PM	#1067
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,242	Originally posted by dbs The no news on the 21 what do you expect after the last year we have all gone through.? Disturbances in operations.

03-24-2021, 02:04 PM	#1068
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,397	Originally posted by biz-engineer Disturbances in operations. For instance: Where Are Those Shoes You Ordered? Check the Ocean Floor \| WIRED

03-24-2021, 02:11 PM	#1069
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,208	Originally posted by dbs The no holding of stock by retailers has been going on for years. Which is a bit odd when you think about it. The no/low stock approach appeared because interest rates were high at the time. The Just-In-Time supply theory gave it a name and some management credibility, but it’s survived into the low/no interest era. You can understand why a manufacturer of large objects or huge numbers of small objects doesn’t want them hanging around in their premises, soaking up space and rental or opportunity costs, but retailers of small expensive objects like cameras and lenses don’t need to have large numbers of them and therefore don’t have the same space problem. Perhaps they still operate on expensive overdrafts to maintain their stocks, or maybe the online sellers running out of someone’s kitchen and relying on wholesalers’ stocks have put the squeeze on them. Last edited by RobA_Oz; 03-24-2021 at 07:40 PM.

03-24-2021, 02:55 PM	#1070
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,242	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Which is a bit odd when you think about it. The no/low stock approach appeared because interest rates were high at the time. The Just-In-Time supply theory gave it a name and some management credibility, but it’s survived into the low/no interest era. Ah ah! Spot on. I think the zero stock approach is still applied for electronics, although it would make much sensor for commodities in an era of low (or even negative) interest rates. DELL or HP used to say that electronic products drop 25% in value per year. So, the zero stock isn't about interest rates anymore, it's about "what do we do of our unsold inventory the day competitors come up with a better model".

03-24-2021, 03:43 PM - 2 Likes	#1071
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,208	Originally posted by biz-engineer Ah ah! Spot on. I think the zero stock approach is still applied for electronics, although it would make much sensor for commodities in an era of low (or even negative) interest rates. DELL or HP used to say that electronic products drop 25% in value per year. So, the zero stock isn't about interest rates anymore, it's about "what do we do of our unsold inventory the day competitors come up with a better model". Even in an era of mature markets, when “more than good enough” is now the norm. The trick now seems to be (to me) to convince people to part with more (increasingly more) money chasing largely illusory (or at least marginal) benefits. None of this applies to the K-3iii, of course, let alone the D FA21 Fwhatever Limited.

03-24-2021, 04:03 PM	#1072
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	On a side note What are the other 2 after the 21 ?

03-24-2021, 05:16 PM	#1073
phoebus Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Buckinghamshire (UK) / Morbihan (FR) Photos: Gallery Posts: 470	DFA85 and DA16-50 were the other 2...

03-24-2021, 05:21 PM	#1074
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	The 16 - 50 is a Limited ?

03-24-2021, 10:48 PM	#1075
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 659	The thread title refers to a news release(?) from Ricoh(?) one time before last year's CP+, where it was said they were working on three lenses.

03-24-2021, 11:06 PM - 1 Like	#1076
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,242	I set my D-FA 15-30 at 21mm and pretend it's the D-FA 21 limited, have my pictures placebo-ed.

03-24-2021, 11:30 PM - 1 Like	#1077
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,208	Originally posted by deus ursus The thread title refers to a news release(?) from Ricoh(?) one time before last year's CP+, where it was said they were working on three lenses. Yes. We have one available already (the D FA85/1.4), and the other two (the new DA16-50/2.8 and the D FA21/? Limited) are awaited. We're all filling in time as we wait for more details on the latter two, just as with the K-3iii. Some of us are also taking photos with the gear we already own.

03-25-2021, 12:33 AM	#1078
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	A miss interpretation on my part. The 50 and 85 are released and waiting on the 21 for the primes

03-25-2021, 01:04 AM - 1 Like	#1079
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,846	We've been waiting even longer for the fabled FF teleconverter.

03-25-2021, 01:18 AM	#1080
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,565	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman We've been waiting even longer for the fabled FF teleconverter. Hi Paul Having had 3 owners in the not so distant past , each owner changed its mind on what they wanted to produce first, and the FF tele slipped the list. Dave