D FA 21 Limited is one of the three.

mtkeller · 03-29-2021, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Doesn't the 20-40 have a screw-in hood? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1014045-REG/pentax_38707_mh_ra55_lens...981&

Yes, indeed. I enjoy showing it to non-Pentaxians. Even more so if I have the 40 Ltd with me at the same time.

reh321 · 03-29-2021, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Doesn't the 20-40 have a screw-in hood? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1014045-REG/pentax_38707_mh_ra55_lens...981&

I hadn't noticed that - but, honestly, I don't see that it would add much utility.

The glass is not inset as much as it looks in the photo, but the lens does come with more "natural" shading than that 'hood' would add.

noelpolar · 03-29-2021, 06:21 AM - **5 Likes**

Fwiw.... I saw this image recently... and decided I will spend this years pentax money on a bread oven (other hobby).... and wine.

**luftfluss** · 03-29-2021, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by noelpolar

Fwiw.... I saw this image recently... and decided I will spend this years pentax money on a bread oven (other hobby).... and wine.

Looks like she's preparing for a "girl's night in"!

**ThorSanchez** · 03-29-2021, 06:40 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by noelpolar

Fwiw.... I saw this image recently... and decided I will spend this years pentax money on a bread oven (other hobby).... and wine.

I spent hundreds of hours and about $3000 last summer building a brick pizza oven in my back yard. This year the funds go to a K-3iii.

texandrews · 03-29-2021, 09:35 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by noelpolar

Fwiw.... I saw this image recently... and decided I will spend this years pentax money on a bread oven (other hobby).... and wine.

Looks like a BIG-uette. But maybe it's just the distortion of a wide angle lens like the 21 Limited, just to keep it on topic....

Wheatfield · 03-29-2021, 10:23 AM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by Starpacer

All very good points... I've been printing some large panoramas of cityscapes (up to 40" wide), lots of fine detail, so very high res files are needed for tack sharp lines in buildings, etc. At 300 DPI, the 40" print would require a 'native' 12,000 pixels, which is about where the 100MP camera is... of course as you point out, stitching and/or interpolation could easily provide that, assuming the subject is stationary.

As I mentioned, the latest emulation of Camera RAW will take a K1 file and make it into a 144mp file. This is done using artificial intelligence, and from my initial tests, is not your daddy's Oldsmobile if you are looking at calling it interpolation.

Quote:

I threw out the 100MP figure as an example of where Pentax isn't likely to go, or even be capable of going, even while others DO deliver, as an example of issues that will eventually face the company. Remember, the reason this topic wound up in this thread? It was the apparent inability of Pentax to deliver the promised 21mm D FA Limited in a timely manner.

For me, the 21mm Limited is very, very exciting, a game changer. With that lens and my K1, I would have been mostly satisfied for another few years, until a truly upgraded full frame camera is introduced (using say a 50-60 MP sensor, probably the maximum practical for 36x24 sensor). This all seemed like a great plan, but then I realized, oh wait, the 21mm was announced almost a year ago, now zero mention.. No mention of a new full frame camera... I'm not getting any younger, can't wait forever...hopefully we hear something about the 21mm soon!

If Ricoh keeps the 645 in the line, it will have to go to 100mp or larger simply because that is the chip available. I expect the next generation full frame will be in the 50mp range.

Ricoh has a history of delivering more or less on time compared to what they say they will do, not what some rumor mill says they should do.
Frankly, kicking them for being late when they aren't late, especially when we don't know how badly they have been affected by the pandemic is borderline juvenile.

However, if you can't wait any longer, go buy what works for you from another brand. Just do us all a favor and don't be a drama queen about it.

---------- Post added Mar 29th, 2021 at 11:24 AM ----------

Originally posted by fs999

Oh those spoiled brats, whining because their little toys aren't there at time

Patience is a golden path.

The First World is full of serious problems.

Last edited by Wheatfield; 04-09-2021 at 02:31 PM.

reh321 · 03-29-2021, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

As I mentioned, the latest emulation of Camera RAW will take a K1 file ant make it into a 144mp file. This is done using artificial intelligence, and from my initial tests, is not your daddy's Oldsmobile if you are looking at calling it interpolation.

As a mathematician, the process probably is interpolation - which is often quite accurate.
I taught it at the college level at one time as part of our Computer major.

Starpacer · 03-29-2021, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by mtkeller

Where did they say they were going to focus on APS-C DSLRs?

Let's see...

List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera)

List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP

Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake.

mtkeller · 03-29-2021, 01:38 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Starpacer

Let's see...

List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera)

List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP

Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake.

Yeah, it's totally fair to list a whole bunch of cameras that came out before Pentax even came out with the K-1. Since the K-1 came out, they have released the K-1 ii, the KP, and the K-70. Since the K-1 ii came out, they have released nothing. If you watched the video presentations released around CP+, it's clear that they plan to continue the K-1 line in full-frame and the K-3 line in APS-C. I hope they will continue the 645 line, too, but that seems more up in the air.

Kunzite · 03-29-2021, 01:39 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Starpacer

Let's see...

List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera)

List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP

Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake.

Your mistake, indeed.

The list of APS-C cameras since they released their first FF DSLR: K-70; KP.

Wheatfield · 03-29-2021, 02:28 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by mtkeller

Yeah, it's totally fair to list a whole bunch of cameras that came out before Pentax even came out with the K-1. Since the K-1 came out, they have released the K-1 ii, the KP, and the K-70. Since the K-1 ii came out, they have released nothing. If you watched the video presentations released around CP+, it's clear that they plan to continue the K-1 line in full-frame and the K-3 line in APS-C. I hope they will continue the 645 line, too, but that seems more up in the air.

I don't think fair is part of the game when one is trying to bring their hidden agenda out from under the rock they have been using for cover.
Pentax has generally not released new camera bodies until they have more than a small incremental improvement to replace the present body with, unlike Canon or Sony who will take the same old feculence, change the buttons around a bit, and call it a new camera model.

MMVIII · 03-29-2021, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Starpacer

Let's see...

List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera)

List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP

Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake.

I also don't know what you were thinking?
They slowly develop both formats, some more DFA lenses the last years to make it a competitive system and some DA lenses to round it up (with the *f2.8 WA-zoom). Now they are going to update some older designs like the *DA standard zoom to better fit to the new generation of high resolution sensors and fast AF. The roadmap and preannouncement show a DFA limited wideangle and a fast *FA wideangle, I don't see a preference here.

**Serkevan** · 03-29-2021, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

I don't think fair is part of the game when one is trying to bring their hidden agenda out from under the rock they have been using for cover.
Pentax has generally not released new camera bodies until they have more than a small incremental improvement to replace the present body with, unlike Canon or Sony who will take the same old feculence, change the buttons around a bit, and call it a new camera model.

The amount of bodies that Fuji releases is fascinating as well, they average about 4 cameras a year.

---------- Post added 03-29-21 at 02:56 PM ----------

Originally posted by Starpacer

Let's see...

List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera)

List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP

Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake.

I mean, if you're going to list about 17 cameras from a time period when a smartphone* photo looked like a broken CCTV image...

*Since you say that smartphones are competing with APS-C cameras. That might be true now (okay, it isn't, but let's concede that for the sake of the argument), but it 100% wasn't true when most of the cameras in your list came out.

reh321 · 03-29-2021, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

I mean, if you're going to list about 17 cameras from a time period when a smartphone* photo looked like a broken CCTV image...

*Since you say that smartphones are competing with APS-C cameras.

Not true.
Smart phones have replaced P&S cameras.
Adjustable cameras are a different story, regardless of the size.
Even a small-sensored camera like the "Q" is a completely different animal.

03-29-2021, 05:43 AM	#1187
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Serkevan Doesn't the 20-40 have a screw-in hood? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1014045-REG/pentax_38707_mh_ra55_lens...981& I hadn't noticed that - but, honestly, I don't see that it would add much utility. The glass is not inset as much as it looks in the photo, but the lens does come with more "natural" shading than that 'hood' would add. Attached Images

03-29-2021, 06:21 AM - 5 Likes	#1188
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Fwiw.... I saw this image recently... and decided I will spend this years pentax money on a bread oven (other hobby).... and wine. Attached Images

03-29-2021, 02:50 PM	#1199
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Wheatfield I don't think fair is part of the game when one is trying to bring their hidden agenda out from under the rock they have been using for cover. Pentax has generally not released new camera bodies until they have more than a small incremental improvement to replace the present body with, unlike Canon or Sony who will take the same old feculence, change the buttons around a bit, and call it a new camera model. The amount of bodies that Fuji releases is fascinating as well, they average about 4 cameras a year. ---------- Post added 03-29-21 at 02:56 PM ---------- Originally posted by Starpacer Let's see... List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera) List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake. I mean, if you're going to list about 17 cameras from a time period when a smartphone* photo looked like a broken CCTV image... Since you say that smartphones are competing with APS-C cameras. That might be true now* (okay, it isn't, but let's concede that for the sake of the argument), but it 100% wasn't true when most of the cameras in your list came out. Last edited by Serkevan; 03-29-2021 at 02:56 PM.

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03-29-2021, 05:33 AM	#1186
mtkeller Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Sioux City, IA Photos: Gallery Posts: 938	Originally posted by Serkevan Doesn't the 20-40 have a screw-in hood? https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1014045-REG/pentax_38707_mh_ra55_lens...981& Yes, indeed. I enjoy showing it to non-Pentaxians. Even more so if I have the 40 Ltd with me at the same time.

03-29-2021, 06:23 AM	#1189
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by noelpolar Fwiw.... I saw this image recently... and decided I will spend this years pentax money on a bread oven (other hobby).... and wine. Looks like she's preparing for a "girl's night in"!

03-29-2021, 06:40 AM - 1 Like	#1190
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by noelpolar Fwiw.... I saw this image recently... and decided I will spend this years pentax money on a bread oven (other hobby).... and wine. I spent hundreds of hours and about $3000 last summer building a brick pizza oven in my back yard. This year the funds go to a K-3iii.

03-29-2021, 09:35 AM - 2 Likes	#1191
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,392	Originally posted by noelpolar Fwiw.... I saw this image recently... and decided I will spend this years pentax money on a bread oven (other hobby).... and wine. Looks like a BIG-uette. But maybe it's just the distortion of a wide angle lens like the 21 Limited, just to keep it on topic....

03-29-2021, 10:23 AM - 5 Likes	#1192
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by Starpacer All very good points... I've been printing some large panoramas of cityscapes (up to 40" wide), lots of fine detail, so very high res files are needed for tack sharp lines in buildings, etc. At 300 DPI, the 40" print would require a 'native' 12,000 pixels, which is about where the 100MP camera is... of course as you point out, stitching and/or interpolation could easily provide that, assuming the subject is stationary. As I mentioned, the latest emulation of Camera RAW will take a K1 file and make it into a 144mp file. This is done using artificial intelligence, and from my initial tests, is not your daddy's Oldsmobile if you are looking at calling it interpolation. Quote: I threw out the 100MP figure as an example of where Pentax isn't likely to go, or even be capable of going, even while others DO deliver, as an example of issues that will eventually face the company. Remember, the reason this topic wound up in this thread? It was the apparent inability of Pentax to deliver the promised 21mm D FA Limited in a timely manner. For me, the 21mm Limited is very, very exciting, a game changer. With that lens and my K1, I would have been mostly satisfied for another few years, until a truly upgraded full frame camera is introduced (using say a 50-60 MP sensor, probably the maximum practical for 36x24 sensor). This all seemed like a great plan, but then I realized, oh wait, the 21mm was announced almost a year ago, now zero mention.. No mention of a new full frame camera... I'm not getting any younger, can't wait forever...hopefully we hear something about the 21mm soon! If Ricoh keeps the 645 in the line, it will have to go to 100mp or larger simply because that is the chip available. I expect the next generation full frame will be in the 50mp range. Ricoh has a history of delivering more or less on time compared to what they say they will do, not what some rumor mill says they should do. Frankly, kicking them for being late when they aren't late, especially when we don't know how badly they have been affected by the pandemic is borderline juvenile. However, if you can't wait any longer, go buy what works for you from another brand. Just do us all a favor and don't be a drama queen about it. ---------- Post added Mar 29th, 2021 at 11:24 AM ---------- Originally posted by fs999 Oh those spoiled brats, whining because their little toys aren't there at time Patience is a golden path. The First World is full of serious problems. Last edited by Wheatfield; 04-09-2021 at 02:31 PM.

03-29-2021, 11:25 AM	#1193
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Wheatfield As I mentioned, the latest emulation of Camera RAW will take a K1 file ant make it into a 144mp file. This is done using artificial intelligence, and from my initial tests, is not your daddy's Oldsmobile if you are looking at calling it interpolation. As a mathematician, the process probably is interpolation - which is often quite accurate. I taught it at the college level at one time as part of our Computer major.

03-29-2021, 01:33 PM	#1194
Starpacer New Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery Posts: 23	Originally posted by mtkeller Where did they say they were going to focus on APS-C DSLRs? Let's see... List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera) List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake.

03-29-2021, 01:38 PM - 2 Likes	#1195
mtkeller Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Sioux City, IA Photos: Gallery Posts: 938	Originally posted by Starpacer Let's see... List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera) List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake. Yeah, it's totally fair to list a whole bunch of cameras that came out before Pentax even came out with the K-1. Since the K-1 came out, they have released the K-1 ii, the KP, and the K-70. Since the K-1 ii came out, they have released nothing. If you watched the video presentations released around CP+, it's clear that they plan to continue the K-1 line in full-frame and the K-3 line in APS-C. I hope they will continue the 645 line, too, but that seems more up in the air.

03-29-2021, 01:39 PM - 4 Likes	#1196
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Starpacer Let's see... List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera) List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake. Your mistake, indeed. The list of APS-C cameras since they released their first FF DSLR: K-70; KP.

03-29-2021, 02:28 PM - 2 Likes	#1197
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by mtkeller Yeah, it's totally fair to list a whole bunch of cameras that came out before Pentax even came out with the K-1. Since the K-1 came out, they have released the K-1 ii, the KP, and the K-70. Since the K-1 ii came out, they have released nothing. If you watched the video presentations released around CP+, it's clear that they plan to continue the K-1 line in full-frame and the K-3 line in APS-C. I hope they will continue the 645 line, too, but that seems more up in the air. I don't think fair is part of the game when one is trying to bring their hidden agenda out from under the rock they have been using for cover. Pentax has generally not released new camera bodies until they have more than a small incremental improvement to replace the present body with, unlike Canon or Sony who will take the same old feculence, change the buttons around a bit, and call it a new camera model.

03-29-2021, 02:39 PM	#1198
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Starpacer Let's see... List of Pentax Full Frame cameras: K1, K1-ii (same camera) List of Pentax APS-C cameras: K10d,K20d,K100, K110, K7, K-m, K-x, K-r, K5, K01,K5-ii, K5-iis,K-30,K-50, K-500,K-S1, K-S2, K3, K3-ii,K-70, KP Yes, I don't know what I was thinking. My mistake. I also don't know what you were thinking? They slowly develop both formats, some more DFA lenses the last years to make it a competitive system and some DA lenses to round it up (with the f2.8 WA-zoom). Now they are going to update some older designs like the DA standard zoom to better fit to the new generation of high resolution sensors and fast AF. The roadmap and preannouncement show a DFA limited wideangle and a fast *FA wideangle, I don't see a preference here.

03-29-2021, 03:39 PM	#1200
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Serkevan I mean, if you're going to list about 17 cameras from a time period when a smartphone* photo looked like a broken CCTV image... *Since you say that smartphones are competing with APS-C cameras. Not true. Smart phones have replaced P&S cameras. Adjustable cameras are a different story, regardless of the size. Even a small-sensored camera like the "Q" is a completely different animal.