[Sandy Hancock]

Hope price is not as high as of the FA31 Ltd

So far, I have seen no reference to the new lens having an aspheric element, so that might help mitigate the price a little.

Don't expect it to be cheap though

[Rondec]

So far, I have seen no reference to the new lens having an aspheric element, so that might help mitigate the price a little.

Don't expect it to be cheap though

My guess would be something in the 900 to 950 range. The only way it isn't at least that high is if it turns out to have a relatively slow aperture like f2.8.

[Serkevan]

My guess would be something in the 900 to 950 range. The only way it isn't at least that high is if it turns out to have a relatively slow aperture like f2.8.

In Europe, the 77 is 1050€ and the 43 is 800€. I expect the 21 to release at about 1500€ and settle at about 1200€, maybe slightly lower than that?

[Rondec]

In Europe, the 77 is 1050€ and the 43 is 800€. I expect the 21 to release at about 1500€ and settle at about 1200€, maybe slightly lower than that?

B and H lists the FA 77 at 800 dollars right now, the 43 at 550 and the 31 at 900. I suppose we'll see but I can't imagine it being much above 1000 if Pentax wants to sell many copies, but release price may certainly be 1500.

[Serkevan]

B and H lists the FA 77 at 800 dollars right now, the 43 at 550 and the 31 at 900. I suppose we'll see but I can't imagine it being much above 1000 if Pentax wants to sell many copies, but release price may certainly be 1500.

Well it's good that I plan to go back to the US for a trip in the relatively near future... might pick up a souvenir

[deus ursus]

[...]
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Hugs and kisses to everyone. Stay safe, and if you have to drink, do it in the safety of your home. Don't go out to a crowded bar.

😂

This post reminds me of a poster on a formula 1 discussion forum I used to frequent some time ago. On a saturday evening he posted a "I love you all, you're my best friends (sob sob)" kind of post. His next post was on sunday afternoon and was more like "I hate you all, you scumbags!" 😁

[acoufap]

Don't expect it to be cheap though

Oh, I don't expect it to be cheap, but the FA31 Ltd simply is very expensive in Europe. The DFA* 1.4/50 was introduced at 1.199,- € ... we'll see where the DFA 21Ltd. will be positioned.

[Paul the Sunman]

Oh, I don't expect it to be cheap, but the FA31 Ltd simply is very expensive in Europe. The DFA* 1.4/50 was introduced at 1.199,- € ... we'll see where the DFA 21Ltd. will be positioned.

As a general rule, I would think that Limited lenses should be a bit cheaper than comparable FL star lenses.

[Serkevan]

The thing is that Ricoh (at least in Europe) seems to not really lower the prices on older lenses in their webpage. The DA* 60-250/4 is listed at 1499€. The logical conclusion (and most egregious case) is the HD/SMC-FA 35mm f/2 nonsense: The new HD version is 399€ and the old SMC-FA is... 599€ (I previously posted it was 500, I was wrong apparently). Two hundred more for an older, slightly worse version of the same product!

[Mistral75]

So far, I have seen no reference to the new lens having an aspheric element, so that might help mitigate the price a little.

(...)

There is no AL in the name of recently announced lenses with aspheric elements: HD Pentax-DA★ 11-18mm f/2.8 ED DC AW, HD Pentax-FA 35mm f/2 (successor to the smc Pentax-FA 35mm f/2 AL), HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 SDM AW, any and all include at least one aspheric element, none of them has AL in its designation.

[Mistral75]

This lens looks very promising! I like the design and what was said about it in the video.

Hope weight will be less then 400g, that there will be adapter solutions to use GND square filter sets and price is not as high as of the FA31 Ltd. in Europe (1.500,- €).

I wouldn't expect the HD Pentax-D FA 21mm ED Limited DC WR to weigh less than 400g.

The smc Pentax-FA★ 24mm f/2 AL [IF] has a similar diameter, it is a bit shorter (even when taking into account the integrated lens hood of the D FA 21mm Limited), its outer shell is made of plastics instead of machined aluminium and yet, it weighs 405g. The D FA 21mm Limited should be heavier.

The D FA 21mm Limited is 75% bigger than the smc Pentax-FA 31mm f/1.8 AF ED Limited, which weighs 345g. Applying the same ratio to its weight would lead to 600g for the D FA 21mm Limited.

Being 75% bigger than the FA 31mm f/1.8 Limited it definitely won't be cheaper (there is a good correlation between weight and price among lenses of the same category).

[Digitalis]

There is no AL in the name of recently announced lenses with aspheric elements

Good point, perhaps when the official announcement rolls in later on we will get more details on the optical construction. It would be a bit bizarre to omit aspherics with a lens like this as they help make lenses more compact and better corrected than purely spherical optical designs. I'd be expecting a GMo Aspherics to be used like those used in the FA31, they are less expensive than ground aspherics - the only problem is the fresnel effect from imperfections in the mold.

[Serkevan]

I wouldn't expect the HD Pentax-D FA 21mm ED Limited DC WR to weigh less than 400g.

The smc Pentax-FA★ 24mm f/2 AL [IF] has a similar diameter, it is a bit shorter (even when taking into account the integrated lens hood of the D FA 21mm Limited), its outer shell is made of plastics instead of machined aluminium and yet, it weighs 405g. The D FA 21mm Limited should be heavier.

The D FA 21mm Limited is 75% bigger than the smc Pentax-FA 31mm f/1.8 AF ED Limited, which weighs 345g. Applying the same ratio to its weight would lead to 600g for the D FA 21mm Limited.

Being 75% bigger than the FA 31mm f/1.8 Limited it definitely won't be cheaper (there is a good correlation between weight and price among lenses of the same category).

Judging from the size of the mounted lens it will be similar to the D FA 28-105* (filter size 62mm). I think the 21 LTD could be ~500 g. Hopefully a touch lighter but I certainly don't expect it to be under 450g... 600g would make it just heavy enough to make me consider it (alternatively, I might keep the M20/4 and, in a beautiful display of LBA, just add, add, add ).

*To me it really looks about the same size as the 21 mounted on the K-1 they show in the video.

[house]

Good point, perhaps when the official announcement rolls in later on we will get more details on the optical construction. It would be a bit bizarre to omit aspherics with a lens like this as they help make lenses more compact and better corrected than purely spherical optical designs. I'd be expecting a GMo Aspherics to be used like those used in the FA31, they are less expensive than ground aspherics - the only problem is the fresnel effect from imperfections in the mold.

Uwa lenses need to be packed full of aspherics and special dispersion glass these days.

You wont get the required size and performance otherwise. Even the cheapest third party lenses are full of them.

[Class A]

They're teasing us and playing with our nerves.

Primarily, they are giving us something to talk about.

There'd be less forum commotion if there were nothing to speculate about.