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Sandy Hancock · 05-26-2020, 03:32 AM - **7 Likes**

Originally posted by Rondec

There are a few things you would close enough to that you would blur the background considerably, but probably not portraits.

I beg to differ. I have seen quite a bit of outdoor portraiture where the background is very well separated, especially with 24/1.4 lenses.

This one of mine is indoors of course, but if I had more faith in my FA*24 I would have preferred to shoot this wide open. The DFA21 Limited might be able to provide that confidence.

This one is wide open, but on a crop camera. On FF it would be almost half body, but I don't think that would be a problem.

And outdoors, getting some background blur is easy. Even at f/5.6 on a crop camera. I wish I had the K-1 that day - I reckon closer in and f/2.8 with a wider view of the background would have worked perfectly.

These two are wide open, and again, although I love them, getting closer with a full frame body would probably have made these better.

Jean Poitiers · 05-26-2020, 03:40 AM - **3 Likes**

I went back to (re)read and it's probably a "typo" ... but maybe DPR knows something.

They write at the bottom "... 21mm F2.8 Limited ..."

Just FYI in case this has not come up yet.

MJKoski · 05-26-2020, 06:05 AM - **1 Like**

I'm happy with information that Pentax-made 21mm is coming. Be it f/1.8 - f/4. It took few years but now there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

Kunzite · 05-26-2020, 06:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Jean Poitiers

I went back to (re)read and it's probably a "typo" ... but maybe DPR knows something.

They write at the bottom "... 21mm F2.8 Limited ..."

Just FYI in case this has not come up yet.

Come on... that's DPR! To even think they might know something about Pentax!

(I believe they don't actually know the maximum aperture, and just slipped a number - which might be right or not)

**sbh** · 05-26-2020, 06:44 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by fs999

Ugly nikon

Yeah ! It's the right place !

I hope it's a DA15 on steroids

I hope it will have such crazy bokeh like DA21...

and DA15...

Ugh, please not. They are nice shots but I'm not hardcore enough to enjoy such funky bokeh.

Zygonyx · 05-26-2020, 07:54 AM - **1 Like**

Ouch, neither do i.

zapp · 05-26-2020, 09:08 AM

The 21 must offer a different/wider aperture than the DA 21 - 2.5-2.8 is my guess. Feel free to surprise us Pentax. This would make the lens appealing to APS-C and FF users alike. Anything larger than 2.5 will probably not fit in the package although the Olympus 2/21 lenses had similar dimensions - without today’s expectations on a lens. I think a future DFA* will cover the large aperture f/1.x wide angle spot at some day.

Wheatfield · 05-26-2020, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by zapp

The 21 must offer a different/wider aperture than the DA 21 - 2.5-2.8 is my guess. Feel free to surprise us Pentax. This would make the lens appealing to APS-C and FF users alike. Anything larger than 2.5 will probably not fit in the package although the Olympus 2/21 lenses had similar dimensions - without today’s expectations on a lens. I think a future DFA* will cover the large aperture f/1.x wide angle spot at some day.

The Olympus lens only has to cover an M43 sensor. The Pentax one needs to over cover a full frame sensor. That is going to mean compromising size or maximum aperture. We already know how big it is, so we also know that it's maximum aperture that is on the block. I expect it will end up, as you say, in the 2.5-2.8 range. I would be pleasantly surprised if it's faster than that.

Kunzite · 05-26-2020, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

The Olympus lens only has to cover an M43 sensor. The Pentax one needs to over cover a full frame sensor. That is going to mean compromising size or maximum aperture. We already know how big it is, so we also know that it's maximum aperture that is on the block. I expect it will end up, as you say, in the 2.5-2.8 range. I would be pleasantly surprised if it's faster than that.

That Olympus lens is a film (OM-series) lens. Amazing for its time, obsolete now.

Wheatfield · 05-26-2020, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

That Olympus lens is a film (OM-series) lens. Amazing for its time, obsolete now.

Woops. I do recall that lens too. My first camera that I bought with my own money was an OM-1, and that was one of the lenses I lusted after.

angerdan · 05-26-2020, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Jean Poitiers

I went back to (re)read and it's probably a "typo" ... but maybe DPR knows something.
They write at the bottom "... 21mm F2.8 Limited ..."
Just FYI in case this has not come up yet.

Great find!
This information confirms the speculations based on calculations of the forum members.
Here's the "21mm F2.8 Limited" article:
Articles tagged "pentax": Digital Photography Review

**monochrome** · 05-26-2020, 10:34 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by angerdan

Great find!
This information confirms the speculations based on calculations of the forum members.
Here's the "21mm F2.8 Limited" article:
Articles tagged "pentax": Digital Photography Review

^^ Body text in article correctly says maximum aperture not disclosed.

house · 05-26-2020, 10:37 AM

Am I going mad? Cant find any mention of a 2.8 aperture for the 21. Only for the DA* zoom.

**pres589** · 05-26-2020, 10:48 AM

For the lens to be that large, I would hope for a max aperture faster than f2.8... but again, DPR doesn't know, it's not be shared yet.

repaap · 05-26-2020, 11:06 AM

I guess, they guessed or let them self understand that this new Limited is f2.8, at DPR. Who would be so silly that they would not present max aperture, while giving such information, like this out. Can you imagine what kind of halo would come out of it...

For me f:2.8 would not be bad. I’d be happy with it. But we will see.

05-26-2020, 03:40 AM - 3 Likes	#512
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076	I went back to (re)read and it's probably a "typo" ... but maybe DPR knows something. They write at the bottom "... 21mm F2.8 Limited ..." Just FYI in case this has not come up yet. Attached Images

05-26-2020, 10:29 AM	#521
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,643	21mm F2.8 Limited Originally posted by Jean Poitiers I went back to (re)read and it's probably a "typo" ... but maybe DPR knows something. They write at the bottom "... 21mm F2.8 Limited ..." Just FYI in case this has not come up yet. Great find! This information confirms the speculations based on calculations of the forum members. Here's the "21mm F2.8 Limited" article: Articles tagged "pentax": Digital Photography Review Attached Images Last edited by angerdan; 05-26-2020 at 10:40 AM.

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05-26-2020, 03:32 AM - 7 Likes	#511
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,276	Originally posted by Rondec There are a few things you would close enough to that you would blur the background considerably, but probably not portraits. I beg to differ. I have seen quite a bit of outdoor portraiture where the background is very well separated, especially with 24/1.4 lenses. This one of mine is indoors of course, but if I had more faith in my FA*24 I would have preferred to shoot this wide open. The DFA21 Limited might be able to provide that confidence. This one is wide open, but on a crop camera. On FF it would be almost half body, but I don't think that would be a problem. And outdoors, getting some background blur is easy. Even at f/5.6 on a crop camera. I wish I had the K-1 that day - I reckon closer in and f/2.8 with a wider view of the background would have worked perfectly. These two are wide open, and again, although I love them, getting closer with a full frame body would probably have made these better.

05-26-2020, 06:05 AM - 1 Like	#513
MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	I'm happy with information that Pentax-made 21mm is coming. Be it f/1.8 - f/4. It took few years but now there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

05-26-2020, 06:10 AM - 1 Like	#514
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Jean Poitiers I went back to (re)read and it's probably a "typo" ... but maybe DPR knows something. They write at the bottom "... 21mm F2.8 Limited ..." Just FYI in case this has not come up yet. Come on... that's DPR! To even think they might know something about Pentax! (I believe they don't actually know the maximum aperture, and just slipped a number - which might be right or not)

05-26-2020, 06:44 AM - 4 Likes	#515
sbh Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Black Forest, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 852	Originally posted by fs999 Ugly nikon Yeah ! It's the right place ! I hope it's a DA15 on steroids I hope it will have such crazy bokeh like DA21... and DA15... Ugh, please not. They are nice shots but I'm not hardcore enough to enjoy such funky bokeh.

05-26-2020, 07:54 AM - 1 Like	#516
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Ouch, neither do i.

05-26-2020, 09:08 AM	#517
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,389	The 21 must offer a different/wider aperture than the DA 21 - 2.5-2.8 is my guess. Feel free to surprise us Pentax. This would make the lens appealing to APS-C and FF users alike. Anything larger than 2.5 will probably not fit in the package although the Olympus 2/21 lenses had similar dimensions - without today’s expectations on a lens. I think a future DFA* will cover the large aperture f/1.x wide angle spot at some day.

05-26-2020, 09:24 AM	#518
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,991	Originally posted by zapp The 21 must offer a different/wider aperture than the DA 21 - 2.5-2.8 is my guess. Feel free to surprise us Pentax. This would make the lens appealing to APS-C and FF users alike. Anything larger than 2.5 will probably not fit in the package although the Olympus 2/21 lenses had similar dimensions - without today’s expectations on a lens. I think a future DFA* will cover the large aperture f/1.x wide angle spot at some day. The Olympus lens only has to cover an M43 sensor. The Pentax one needs to over cover a full frame sensor. That is going to mean compromising size or maximum aperture. We already know how big it is, so we also know that it's maximum aperture that is on the block. I expect it will end up, as you say, in the 2.5-2.8 range. I would be pleasantly surprised if it's faster than that.

05-26-2020, 10:00 AM	#519
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Wheatfield The Olympus lens only has to cover an M43 sensor. The Pentax one needs to over cover a full frame sensor. That is going to mean compromising size or maximum aperture. We already know how big it is, so we also know that it's maximum aperture that is on the block. I expect it will end up, as you say, in the 2.5-2.8 range. I would be pleasantly surprised if it's faster than that. That Olympus lens is a film (OM-series) lens. Amazing for its time, obsolete now.

05-26-2020, 10:04 AM	#520
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,991	Originally posted by Kunzite That Olympus lens is a film (OM-series) lens. Amazing for its time, obsolete now. Woops. I do recall that lens too. My first camera that I bought with my own money was an OM-1, and that was one of the lenses I lusted after.

05-26-2020, 10:34 AM - 3 Likes	#522
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by angerdan Great find! This information confirms the speculations based on calculations of the forum members. Here's the "21mm F2.8 Limited" article: Articles tagged "pentax": Digital Photography Review ^^ Body text in article correctly says maximum aperture not disclosed.

05-26-2020, 10:37 AM	#523
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Am I going mad? Cant find any mention of a 2.8 aperture for the 21. Only for the DA* zoom.

05-26-2020, 10:48 AM	#524
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,533	For the lens to be that large, I would hope for a max aperture faster than f2.8... but again, DPR doesn't know, it's not be shared yet.

05-26-2020, 11:06 AM	#525
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	I guess, they guessed or let them self understand that this new Limited is f2.8, at DPR. Who would be so silly that they would not present max aperture, while giving such information, like this out. Can you imagine what kind of halo would come out of it... For me f:2.8 would not be bad. I’d be happy with it. But we will see.

D FA 21 Limited is one of the three.

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