D FA 21 Limited is one of the three.

torge · 12-24-2020, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by someasiancameraguy

We will have to wait and see how the 21mm carries the limited name forward.

that will tell us where future Limiteds will go

**cl1352** · 12-26-2020, 12:19 PM

I cant wait for a good review on this lens. It will determine if I will be getting it or not.

torge · 12-26-2020, 02:48 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by cl1352

I cant wait for a good review on this lens. It will determine if I will be getting it or not.

well, a good review won't leave you much choice

dbs · 12-26-2020, 04:37 PM

So those that have to have all the limited series of lenses there is now a new series to collect, the DFA 21 and then ?, ?, ?..

Its all good in Pentax land

starjedi · 12-31-2020, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

A SLR ultrawide is quite a bit more difficult to make than a mirrorless one. This is one of the very few disadvantages of having a proper viewfinder.
The D FA 21mm Limited likely won't match the Sony spec by spec. They're of a similar size - both somewhat larger than the FA 31mm; of a similar focal length; but one is by necessity a quite retrofocus design. The difference might be the maximum aperture.
I bet the Pentax also has a much better corrected vignetting, a huge -3EV on the Sony (hidden by software, of course).

Then I think it should be able to match $800 Nikon 20mm F1.8G, same weights as FA 31mm, in both price and imagine quality.

Kunzite · 12-31-2020, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by starjedi

Then I think it should be able to match $800 Nikon 20mm F1.8G, same weights as FA 31mm, in both price and imagine quality.

The build quality should be better, and I hope it will have less LoCA and a more uniform performance. Its rendering should be better as well.

angerdan · 12-31-2020, 10:36 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by starjedi

Then I think it should be able to match $800 Nikon 20mm F1.8G, same weights as FA 31mm, in both price and imagine quality.

The Nikon has been build in much higher quantities, so the price for the D FA 21mm Limited will be at least 50% higher.
Produktvergleich Pentax smc FA 31mm 1.8 AL Limited silber (20280/20290), Pentax smc FA 20mm 2.8 schwarz (22880), Nikon AF 20mm 2.8D schwarz (JAA127DA), Sigma AF 20mm 1.8 EX DG Asp RF für Nikon F schwarz (411944), Nikon AF-S 20mm 1.8G ED (JAA138DA), Z

Also usually Pentax lenses are close to Zeiss in price and optical quality, so 1,100€ or more are possible.
Produktvergleich Panasonic Lumix S PRO 50mm 1.4 (S-X50E), Sony FE 50mm 1.4 ZA SSM (SEL-50F14Z), Zeiss ZF.2 Milvus 50mm 1.4 für Nikon F schwarz (2096-556), Pentax HD DFA* 50mm 1.4 SDM AW schwarz (21260), Sony 50mm 1.4 ZA SSM schwarz (SAL-50F14Z), Sigm

MegaPower · 01-02-2021, 07:50 AM

that's good to part with the current 3 FA limited.
but sad thing they ditched the aperture ring.

Ben-G · 01-03-2021, 02:56 PM

Yes i think the same: it's a very sad thing the loss of aperture ring ...
I hope that they will not reduce the aperture to f2.8 ...

thibs · 01-03-2021, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by reh321

I don't expect the price of any film bodies to jump - there is a surplus of them, and the new lens would add very little to their utility,
I expect them to label the new lens as a "DFA" lens - almost any of us will realize it could be used on any Pentax camera, and I really don't see any gain from saying this is usable on "APS-C" cameras.

Well, there's no surplus of MZ-S I can tell you that.

**beachgardener** · 01-04-2021, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by MegaPower

sad thing they ditched the aperture ring.

I can only guess that the D FA 21 will be the first of a series of a new limited lens line, may one of three. Leaving the old FA Limited's as legacy lenses.

angerdan · 01-04-2021, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Ben-G

I hope that they will not reduce the aperture to f2.8 ...

This SMC Pentax K 20mm f1.4 was never official, so no "reduce" of aperture. Since Limiteds are always less fast than the fastest primes, f2.8 or slower is to expect.

SMC Pentax K 20mm f/1.4? - PentaxForums.com

Ben-G · 01-04-2021, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by angerdan

This SMC Pentax K 20mm f1.4 was never official, so no "reduce" of aperture. Since Limiteds are always less fast than the fastest primes, f2.8 or slower is to expect.

SMC Pentax K 20mm f/1.4? - PentaxForums.com

@angerdan,

Yes, i'm italian, I know very well Marco Cavina works and i'm an "old" (sic!) pentaxian, ... that i've posted is "an image of hope" 😊😉

I would still be happy if this new FA 21mm Limited were as fast as the FA 31mm Ltd ( and with an extraordinary soft manual aperture ring ! ... ).

Best regards from Italy!
Ben

redpit · 01-04-2021, 04:06 AM

I believe that it will be an 21/1.8 lens.

**Serkevan** · 01-04-2021, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by angerdan

Since Limiteds are always less fast than the fastest primes, f2.8 or slower is to expect.

This is simply incorrect. How many sub-f/2.0 lenses has Pentax made in the wide angle range?

Because the answer is "the 31 Limited is the only one". Unless you mean "than the fastest primes from other manufacturers", which is... kinda moot.

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Ben-G Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 171	Yes i think the same: it's a very sad thing the loss of aperture ring ... I hope that they will not reduce the aperture to f2.8 ... Last edited by Ben-G; 01-03-2021 at 03:08 PM.

01-04-2021, 03:57 AM	#913
Ben-G Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 171	Originally posted by angerdan This SMC Pentax K 20mm f1.4 was never official, so no "reduce" of aperture. Since Limiteds are always less fast than the fastest primes, f2.8 or slower is to expect. SMC Pentax K 20mm f/1.4? - PentaxForums.com @angerdan, Yes, i'm italian, I know very well Marco Cavina works and i'm an "old" (sic!) pentaxian, ... that i've posted is "an image of hope" 😊😉 I would still be happy if this new FA 21mm Limited were as fast as the FA 31mm Ltd ( and with an extraordinary soft manual aperture ring ! ... ). Best regards from Italy! Ben Last edited by Ben-G; 01-04-2021 at 04:14 AM.

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12-24-2020, 01:19 PM	#901
torge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hamburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 199	Originally posted by someasiancameraguy We will have to wait and see how the 21mm carries the limited name forward. that will tell us where future Limiteds will go

12-26-2020, 12:19 PM	#902
cl1352 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 283	I cant wait for a good review on this lens. It will determine if I will be getting it or not.

12-26-2020, 02:48 PM - 1 Like	#903
torge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hamburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 199	Originally posted by cl1352 I cant wait for a good review on this lens. It will determine if I will be getting it or not. well, a good review won't leave you much choice

12-26-2020, 04:37 PM	#904
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,563	So those that have to have all the limited series of lenses there is now a new series to collect, the DFA 21 and then ?, ?, ?.. Its all good in Pentax land

12-31-2020, 09:45 AM	#905
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by Kunzite A SLR ultrawide is quite a bit more difficult to make than a mirrorless one. This is one of the very few disadvantages of having a proper viewfinder. The D FA 21mm Limited likely won't match the Sony spec by spec. They're of a similar size - both somewhat larger than the FA 31mm; of a similar focal length; but one is by necessity a quite retrofocus design. The difference might be the maximum aperture. I bet the Pentax also has a much better corrected vignetting, a huge -3EV on the Sony (hidden by software, of course). Then I think it should be able to match $800 Nikon 20mm F1.8G, same weights as FA 31mm, in both price and imagine quality.

12-31-2020, 10:00 AM	#906
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by starjedi Then I think it should be able to match $800 Nikon 20mm F1.8G, same weights as FA 31mm, in both price and imagine quality. The build quality should be better, and I hope it will have less LoCA and a more uniform performance. Its rendering should be better as well.

12-31-2020, 10:36 AM - 1 Like	#907
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,639	Originally posted by starjedi Then I think it should be able to match $800 Nikon 20mm F1.8G, same weights as FA 31mm, in both price and imagine quality. The Nikon has been build in much higher quantities, so the price for the D FA 21mm Limited will be at least 50% higher. Produktvergleich Pentax smc FA 31mm 1.8 AL Limited silber (20280/20290), Pentax smc FA 20mm 2.8 schwarz (22880), Nikon AF 20mm 2.8D schwarz (JAA127DA), Sigma AF 20mm 1.8 EX DG Asp RF für Nikon F schwarz (411944), Nikon AF-S 20mm 1.8G ED (JAA138DA), Z Also usually Pentax lenses are close to Zeiss in price and optical quality, so 1,100€ or more are possible. Produktvergleich Panasonic Lumix S PRO 50mm 1.4 (S-X50E), Sony FE 50mm 1.4 ZA SSM (SEL-50F14Z), Zeiss ZF.2 Milvus 50mm 1.4 für Nikon F schwarz (2096-556), Pentax HD DFA* 50mm 1.4 SDM AW schwarz (21260), Sony 50mm 1.4 ZA SSM schwarz (SAL-50F14Z), Sigm

01-02-2021, 07:50 AM	#908
MegaPower Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hong Kong / Irvine, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 636	that's good to part with the current 3 FA limited. but sad thing they ditched the aperture ring.

01-03-2021, 11:24 PM	#910
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by reh321 I don't expect the price of any film bodies to jump - there is a surplus of them, and the new lens would add very little to their utility, I expect them to label the new lens as a "DFA" lens - almost any of us will realize it could be used on any Pentax camera, and I really don't see any gain from saying this is usable on "APS-C" cameras. Well, there's no surplus of MZ-S I can tell you that.

01-04-2021, 01:48 AM	#911
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by MegaPower sad thing they ditched the aperture ring. I can only guess that the D FA 21 will be the first of a series of a new limited lens line, may one of three. Leaving the old FA Limited's as legacy lenses.

01-04-2021, 02:17 AM	#912
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,639	Originally posted by Ben-G I hope that they will not reduce the aperture to f2.8 ... This SMC Pentax K 20mm f1.4 was never official, so no "reduce" of aperture. Since Limiteds are always less fast than the fastest primes, f2.8 or slower is to expect. SMC Pentax K 20mm f/1.4? - PentaxForums.com

01-04-2021, 04:06 AM	#914
redpit Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Greece Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,857	I believe that it will be an 21/1.8 lens.

01-04-2021, 04:36 AM	#915
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by angerdan Since Limiteds are always less fast than the fastest primes, f2.8 or slower is to expect. This is simply incorrect. How many sub-f/2.0 lenses has Pentax made in the wide angle range? Because the answer is "the 31 Limited is the only one". Unless you mean "than the fastest primes from other manufacturers", which is... kinda moot.