HD Pentax DA * 16-50mm F2.8ED PLM AW is the second one.

**mlt** · 12-07-2020, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by STARHUNTER94

Honestly, I definitely think getting the 16-50 PLM revamp out will be a big win for the company alongside the new camera. There are a lot of great lenses already available on the longer end, and with the 11-18 out, they only had one other (main...) segment to improve on.

That should be right for the initial release time frame, but the next road map afterwords should give a hint about where Ricoh is going with APSC.

superdave · 12-07-2020, 11:18 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mlt

That should be right for the initial release time frame, but the next road map afterwords should give a hint about where Ricoh is going with APSC.

300mm F4 I hope.

Mistral75 · 12-07-2020, 12:41 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by superdave

300mm F4 I hope.

If there were a new 300mm f/4 it would be a 24x36 lens, non an APS-C one.

**mlt** · 12-07-2020, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

If there were a new 300mm f/4 it would be a 24x36 lens, non an APS-C one.

True. I’m pretty sure anything 200mm and above in future releases will be full frame capable. That still leaves room for a re-do of the 50-135 and the da limiteds.

sungibr · 12-07-2020, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Maybe because it's a PLM?
It might also have focus by wire...

To bad. I really like distance scale windows. I think it's a ratter cool and usefull feature.

But I'll definatelly won't mind if the performance is top notch, as manual focus is not that important to me

---------- Post added 12-07-20 at 05:07 PM ----------

Originally posted by Ishpuini

The only recent and as such comparable DA* is the DA*11-18/2.8, which is excellent and unquestionably worthy of the star designation. It is many leagues ahead of the original DA*16-50/2.8, both in terms of IQ and build quality. I only hope they keep the same 77mm filter size...

Wim

I'm with you. 82mm is a ratter large filter for a standard zoom lens

ALLCAPS · 12-07-2020, 02:06 PM

Here is the insufferable pessimist in me appearing.....will it be convertible to screw drive when the motor fails?

Zygonyx · 12-07-2020, 02:11 PM - **1 Like**

If K-AF4, definitely not.

---------- Post added 07-12-20 at 14:14 ----------

Originally posted by mlt

That should be right for the initial release time frame, but the next road map afterwords should give a hint about where Ricoh is going with APSC.

As far as i have been told, something might happen soon with HD DA 560/5.6 : it seems that exports to Europe have ceased, the reason beeing "non-conformity with EU safety rules".
Another limitation of this lens beeing its slowish AF speed to accomodate properly the K-3 III...
So, in a global product/market analysis, Ricoh Imaging could modernise its lonely FF compatible long-range tele.

Last edited by Zygonyx; 12-07-2020 at 02:18 PM.

**BigMackCam** · 12-07-2020, 02:18 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ALLCAPS

Here is the insufferable pessimist in me appearing.....will it be convertible to screw drive when the motor fails?

No... but unless you want to stick with screw drive lenses for the rest of time, you're going to have to trust Ricoh that the same mistake won't be made this time where SDM is concerned. If you can't bring yourself to trust 'em, maybe factor in an extended warranty if you purchase the lens... or, live without AW and buy the Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 HSM (not the fastest focusing lens, but silent and reliable, with very decent IQ) or the screw-drive Tamron 17-50 f/2.8. Those are pretty much the choices

reh321 · 12-07-2020, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by ALLCAPS

Here is the insufferable pessimist in me appearing.....will it be convertible to screw drive when the motor fails?

There is no reason to expect the motor to fail.
Screw-drive is ancient technology - I don’t think most of us today would expect that to be a reasonable back-up.

Kunzite · 12-07-2020, 02:26 PM - **1 Like**

The PLM drive has a much better reliability record than the first SDM models, given how we're not seeing lots of complaints.

Mistral75 · 12-07-2020, 02:36 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ALLCAPS

Here is the insufferable pessimist in me appearing.....will it be convertible to screw drive when the motor fails?

The last KAF2 lens (in-lens motor + screw drive) was announced more than twelve years ago.

ALLCAPS · 12-07-2020, 02:41 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

There is no reason to expect the motor to fail.
Screw-drive is ancient technology - I don’t think most of us today would expect that to be a reasonable back-up.

I just realized how many of my lenses are reliant on screw drive. 35mm ltd, 70mm ltd, converted 16-50 and 50-135 star lenses etc. Come to think of it, I associate auto focus photography with the soundtrack of a 12v drill in operation.

**BigMackCam** · 12-07-2020, 02:54 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ALLCAPS

I just realized how many of my lenses are reliant on screw drive. 35mm ltd, 70mm ltd, converted 16-50 and 50-135 star lenses etc. Come to think of it, I associate auto focus photography with the soundtrack of a 12v drill in operation.

For what it's worth - and I may be in a very small minority here - I like screw-drive. It's pretty fast (depending on the lens), and for my typical use cases a bit of noise during AF isn't a problem. The only time it lasts more than a second is with my macro lenses - DA35 and D FA100 - or the DA55-300. Pre-focusing those to infinity for anything other than really close range work reduces the AF time considerably. So I can live with the noise. Plus, every screw drive lens I own works with every camera I own, right back to the *ist DL. Still, I'm pleased to see PLM in the new HD DA*16-50 f/2.8 ED. I'm less pleased if it's focus by wire for manual focusing (which I suspect it is)... but it seems that's the way of the future

**TwoUptons** · 12-07-2020, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by reh321

There is no reason to expect the motor to fail.
Screw-drive is ancient technology - I don’t think most of us today would expect that to be a reasonable back-up.

Pentax’ first autofocus lens used an in-lens motor.
And talk about slow and loud... wow... though mine still works

Screwdrive came after that...

So ancient, perhaps, but not the oldest in Pentax-land...

-Eric

reh321 · 12-07-2020, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

For what it's worth - and I may be in a very small minority here - I like screw-drive. It's pretty fast (depending on the lens), and for my typical use cases a bit of noise during AF isn't a problem. The only time it lasts more than a second is with my macro lenses - DA35 and D FA100 - or the DA55-300. Pre-focusing those to infinity for anything other than really close range work reduces the AF time considerably. So I can live with the noise. Plus, every screw drive lens I own works with every camera I own, right back to the *ist DL. Still, I'm pleased to see PLM in the new HD DA*16-50 f/2.8 ED. I'm less pleased if it's focus by wire for manual focusing (which I suspect it is)... but it seems that's the way of the future

I HATE screw drive.
It is the reason I went to Canon and their EF/usm lenses in 1995 when I went AF.
My wife complained about the noise when went birding until I got the 55-300 PLM.

12-07-2020, 02:54 PM - 1 Like	#103
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,669	Originally posted by ALLCAPS I just realized how many of my lenses are reliant on screw drive. 35mm ltd, 70mm ltd, converted 16-50 and 50-135 star lenses etc. Come to think of it, I associate auto focus photography with the soundtrack of a 12v drill in operation. For what it's worth - and I may be in a very small minority here - I like screw-drive. It's pretty fast (depending on the lens), and for my typical use cases a bit of noise during AF isn't a problem. The only time it lasts more than a second is with my macro lenses - DA35 and D FA100 - or the DA55-300. Pre-focusing those to infinity for anything other than really close range work reduces the AF time considerably. So I can live with the noise. Plus, every screw drive lens I own works with every camera I own, right back to the ist DL. Still, I'm pleased to see PLM in the new HD DA16-50 f/2.8 ED. I'm less pleased if it's focus by wire for manual focusing (which I suspect it is)... but it seems that's the way of the future Last edited by BigMackCam; 12-07-2020 at 03:00 PM.

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12-07-2020, 10:55 AM	#91
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Originally posted by STARHUNTER94 Honestly, I definitely think getting the 16-50 PLM revamp out will be a big win for the company alongside the new camera. There are a lot of great lenses already available on the longer end, and with the 11-18 out, they only had one other (main...) segment to improve on. That should be right for the initial release time frame, but the next road map afterwords should give a hint about where Ricoh is going with APSC.

12-07-2020, 11:18 AM - 1 Like	#92
superdave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 228	Originally posted by mlt That should be right for the initial release time frame, but the next road map afterwords should give a hint about where Ricoh is going with APSC. 300mm F4 I hope.

12-07-2020, 12:41 PM - 1 Like	#93
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by superdave 300mm F4 I hope. If there were a new 300mm f/4 it would be a 24x36 lens, non an APS-C one.

12-07-2020, 12:51 PM	#94
mlt Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,159	Originally posted by Mistral75 If there were a new 300mm f/4 it would be a 24x36 lens, non an APS-C one. True. I’m pretty sure anything 200mm and above in future releases will be full frame capable. That still leaves room for a re-do of the 50-135 and the da limiteds.

12-07-2020, 01:06 PM	#95
sungibr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sao Paulo Photos: Albums Posts: 149	Originally posted by Kunzite Maybe because it's a PLM? It might also have focus by wire... To bad. I really like distance scale windows. I think it's a ratter cool and usefull feature. But I'll definatelly won't mind if the performance is top notch, as manual focus is not that important to me ---------- Post added 12-07-20 at 05:07 PM ---------- Originally posted by Ishpuini The only recent and as such comparable DA* is the DA11-18/2.8, which is excellent and unquestionably worthy of the star designation. It is many leagues ahead of the original DA16-50/2.8, both in terms of IQ and build quality. I only hope they keep the same 77mm filter size... Wim I'm with you. 82mm is a ratter large filter for a standard zoom lens

12-07-2020, 02:06 PM	#96
ALLCAPS Forum Member Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 52	Here is the insufferable pessimist in me appearing.....will it be convertible to screw drive when the motor fails?

12-07-2020, 02:11 PM - 1 Like	#97
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	If K-AF4, definitely not. ---------- Post added 07-12-20 at 14:14 ---------- Originally posted by mlt That should be right for the initial release time frame, but the next road map afterwords should give a hint about where Ricoh is going with APSC. As far as i have been told, something might happen soon with HD DA 560/5.6 : it seems that exports to Europe have ceased, the reason beeing "non-conformity with EU safety rules". Another limitation of this lens beeing its slowish AF speed to accomodate properly the K-3 III... So, in a global product/market analysis, Ricoh Imaging could modernise its lonely FF compatible long-range tele. Last edited by Zygonyx; 12-07-2020 at 02:18 PM.

12-07-2020, 02:18 PM - 1 Like	#98
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,669	Originally posted by ALLCAPS Here is the insufferable pessimist in me appearing.....will it be convertible to screw drive when the motor fails? No... but unless you want to stick with screw drive lenses for the rest of time, you're going to have to trust Ricoh that the same mistake won't be made this time where SDM is concerned. If you can't bring yourself to trust 'em, maybe factor in an extended warranty if you purchase the lens... or, live without AW and buy the Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 HSM (not the fastest focusing lens, but silent and reliable, with very decent IQ) or the screw-drive Tamron 17-50 f/2.8. Those are pretty much the choices

12-07-2020, 02:23 PM	#99
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by ALLCAPS Here is the insufferable pessimist in me appearing.....will it be convertible to screw drive when the motor fails? There is no reason to expect the motor to fail. Screw-drive is ancient technology - I don’t think most of us today would expect that to be a reasonable back-up.

12-07-2020, 02:26 PM - 1 Like	#100
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The PLM drive has a much better reliability record than the first SDM models, given how we're not seeing lots of complaints.

12-07-2020, 02:36 PM - 1 Like	#101
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by ALLCAPS Here is the insufferable pessimist in me appearing.....will it be convertible to screw drive when the motor fails? The last KAF2 lens (in-lens motor + screw drive) was announced more than twelve years ago.

12-07-2020, 02:41 PM - 2 Likes	#102
ALLCAPS Forum Member Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 52	Originally posted by reh321 There is no reason to expect the motor to fail. Screw-drive is ancient technology - I don’t think most of us today would expect that to be a reasonable back-up. I just realized how many of my lenses are reliant on screw drive. 35mm ltd, 70mm ltd, converted 16-50 and 50-135 star lenses etc. Come to think of it, I associate auto focus photography with the soundtrack of a 12v drill in operation.

12-07-2020, 03:04 PM	#104
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,213	Originally posted by reh321 There is no reason to expect the motor to fail. Screw-drive is ancient technology - I don’t think most of us today would expect that to be a reasonable back-up. Pentax’ first autofocus lens used an in-lens motor. And talk about slow and loud... wow... though mine still works Screwdrive came after that... So ancient, perhaps, but not the oldest in Pentax-land... -Eric

12-07-2020, 03:24 PM	#105
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by BigMackCam For what it's worth - and I may be in a very small minority here - I like screw-drive. It's pretty fast (depending on the lens), and for my typical use cases a bit of noise during AF isn't a problem. The only time it lasts more than a second is with my macro lenses - DA35 and D FA100 - or the DA55-300. Pre-focusing those to infinity for anything other than really close range work reduces the AF time considerably. So I can live with the noise. Plus, every screw drive lens I own works with every camera I own, right back to the ist DL. Still, I'm pleased to see PLM in the new HD DA16-50 f/2.8 ED. I'm less pleased if it's focus by wire for manual focusing (which I suspect it is)... but it seems that's the way of the future I HATE screw drive. It is the reason I went to Canon and their EF/usm lenses in 1995 when I went AF. My wife complained about the noise when went birding until I got the 55-300 PLM.

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