[Henrico]

True. Yet it was more functional to have the screen attached to the camera body. Especially when hand holding the camera in an awkward angle. It seems like it would be a bit more difficult to do with a smartphone in one hand and a camera in the other.

What to think about a smartphone holder that fits the flash shoe or so?

[ThorSanchez]

...but they can focus on making a true specialist speed demon. I hope it matches or even bests the D500/7Dii, although "just" getting within spitting distance of those two in AF/FPS/Buffer while having Pentax IQ/features/ergonomics and a monster OVF would be plenty for most people, I'm sure.

That's what would get me to buy one. KP low light performance and something like D500/7Dii autofocus and buffer, and I'm in. I'm not thrilled about the (apparent) dropping of GPS and no flippy screen, but I guess those aren't deal breakers.

But if this is Pentax' sports and wildlife camera, they need to do a little work on the lenses. The 16-50 PLM is a good step forward, it might be on my wish list now. But low-light indoor sports is a hole in the lineup. The 70-200 f/2.8 is fine, but also expensive and maybe a bit long for APS-C basketball, indoor soccer, etc. They need to update the 50-135 f/2.8 with fast focusing. The 55-300 will do in a pinch, but even on the short end with f/4.5 and compromising on shutter speed you'll often see ISOs in the 10,000 range.

Actually, sitting courtside an 18-135 would be perfect if only it was f/2.8 or better. Not sure anyone makes one of those for any brand.

[repaap]

That's what would get me to buy one. KP low light performance and something like D500/7Dii autofocus and buffer, and I'm in. I'm not thrilled about the (apparent) dropping of GPS and no flippy screen, but I guess those aren't deal breakers.

But if this is Pentax' sports and wildlife camera, they need to do a little work on the lenses. The 16-50 PLM is a good step forward, it might be on my wish list now. But low-light indoor sports is a hole in the lineup. The 70-200 f/2.8 is fine, but also expensive and maybe a bit long for APS-C basketball, indoor soccer, etc. They need to update the 50-135 f/2.8 with fast focusing. The 55-300 will do in a pinch, but even on the short end with f/4.5 and compromising on shutter speed you'll often see ISOs in the 10,000 range.

Actually, sitting courtside an 18-135 would be perfect if only it was f/2.8 or better. Not sure anyone makes one of those for any brand.

There was a rumour of having updated DA*16-50 and 50-135. 16-50 plm is here(almost) suppose that 50-135 would be with similar AF solution.

That with fast AF and all things.

[noelpolar]

look in the videoconference at tilelap 28:43 min.
you like to see the new flip-screen.
It will be a very fine camera. I like it!
An they made a new batteriecrip. Super. Not like the mean one from k3.
I hope I can get a ltd-edition.

Here a picture again. I think i delete the others by myself. Excuse me, please.

Well spotted!

[normhead]

That's what would get me to buy one. KP low light performance and something like D500/7Dii autofocus and buffer, and I'm in. I'm not thrilled about the (apparent) dropping of GPS and no flippy screen, but I guess those aren't deal breakers.

But if this is Pentax' sports and wildlife camera, they need to do a little work on the lenses. The 16-50 PLM is a good step forward, it might be on my wish list now. But low-light indoor sports is a hole in the lineup. The 70-200 f/2.8 is fine, but also expensive and maybe a bit long for APS-C basketball, indoor soccer, etc. They need to update the 50-135 f/2.8 with fast focusing. The 55-300 will do in a pinch, but even on the short end with f/4.5 and compromising on shutter speed you'll often see ISOs in the 10,000 range.

Actually, sitting courtside an 18-135 would be perfect if only it was f/2.8 or better. Not sure anyone makes one of those for any brand.

If the GPS and tilt screen aren't one the first on, maybe 18 months later on version 2. I still have 60,000 exposures left on my K-3 so no rush.

[reh321]

That's what would get me to buy one. KP low light performance and something like D500/7Dii autofocus and buffer, and I'm in. I'm not thrilled about the (apparent) dropping of GPS and no flippy screen, but I guess those aren't deal breakers.

But if this is Pentax' sports and wildlife camera, they need to do a little work on the lenses. The 16-50 PLM is a good step forward, it might be on my wish list now. But low-light indoor sports is a hole in the lineup. The 70-200 f/2.8 is fine, but also expensive and maybe a bit long for APS-C basketball, indoor soccer, etc. They need to update the 50-135 f/2.8 with fast focusing. The 55-300 will do in a pinch, but even on the short end with f/4.5 and compromising on shutter speed you'll often see ISOs in the 10,000 range.

Actually, sitting courtside an 18-135 would be perfect if only it was f/2.8 or better. Not sure anyone makes one of those for any brand.

I often do shoot above ISO 9999, and with my KP there is no way to look at the picture and tell it - both noise and DR are ‘just fine’.

[noelpolar]

I'm more worried about me lasting these days...... I doubt I'll outlive any of my camera shutters.

[normhead]

Not so much in this thread, but at an overall forum level, we certainly see them. Occasionally, they're constructive... more often, not and generally repetitive. It's those latter posts that become tiresome and trigger (most of the) back-lash

Thankfully, this thread has been mostly constructive



As does complaining about them, ironically.

Complaining and complaining about those who complain about your complainning makes you a complainer to the third power. Taking complaining to new heights.

It does give me the ability to be a complainer to the fourth power, but I think I'll pass.
I love complainers who complain about those who complain about their complaining. I wish there were more of them.

[ThorSanchez]

If the GPS and tilt screen aren't one the first on, maybe 18 months later on version 2. I still have 60,000 exposures left on my K-3 so no rush.

My kids are 13 and almost 12, as soon as restrictions are relaxed they both should be playing travel soccer. If the K-new comes out the end of this year, that optimistically puts the K-New II in mid-2022. They''ll be in high school, and who knows if they'll still be playing sports. I'm not waiting 2.5 years for potentially hypothetical features. Your mileage may vary...

[Class A]

It's nice that the battery grip has the "joystick".

It is also very nice that this time around they didn't not permutate the buttons around on the grip, compared to the camera layout.

It is much better, if the button layout on the grip matches that of the camera.

[ThorSanchez]

I often do shoot above ISO 9999, and with my KP there is no way to look at the picture and tell it - both noise and DR are ‘just fine’.

There's no way to tell? You're telling me that ISO 12800 looks just the same as 3200? Maybe at phone sized viewing, or quite far away. You can see pretty obvious differences using something like the DP camera comparison tool with the KP at various ISOs.

I fully understand my K-3ii doesn't have the accelerator, but even spending a lot of time in post working on noise reduction it's difficult to get acceptable results out of 10000+ ISO. Noise, color, dynamic range are all compromised in ways that are very obvious compared to 1600 or 3200.

[normhead]

My kids are 13 and almost 12, as soon as restrictions are relaxed they both should be playing travel soccer. If the K-new comes out the end of this year, that optimistically puts the K-New II in mid-2022. They''ll be in high school, and who knows if they'll still be playing sports. I'm not waiting 2.5 years for potentially hypothetical features. Your mileage may vary...

Well then hurry down to your camera store and try out a D500. I didn't realize you were in such a hurry.

[Kunzite]

Complaining and complaining about those who complain about your complainning makes you a complainer to the third power. Taking complaining to new heights.

It does give me the ability to be a complainer to the fourth power, but I think I'll pass.
I love complainers who complain about those who complain about their complaining. I wish there were more of them.

I have to complain about your lack of complaining!

[Kunzite]

There's no way to tell? You're telling me that ISO 12800 looks just the same as 3200? Maybe at phone sized viewing, or quite far away. You can see pretty obvious differences using something like the DP camera comparison tool with the KP at various ISOs.

I fully understand my K-3ii doesn't have the accelerator, but even spending a lot of time in post working on noise reduction it's difficult to get acceptable results out of 10000+ ISO. Noise, color, dynamic range are all compromised in ways that are very obvious compared to 1600 or 3200.

You shouldn't compare the K-3II with the KP... it's not just the accelerator, but also the sensor (the K-3 series is a bit noisy).

[normhead]

I have to complain about your lack of complaining!

I know, it's an abrogation of my responsibilities, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

3rd order complaining is hard to justify (complaining about someone complaining about your complaining) but fourth order would be over the top.

It all has to do with the fact that you're never going to get the last word on the original complainer. The religious zeal with which they present their complaints suggests, you lodge one counter complaint for the record, then turn them loose.

After all, complainers are going to complain... it's what they do.

I only took, processed and posted 4 images yesterday. All this complaining and counter complaining is affecting my production levels. Never get so involved with complainers you don't get out to take pictures. You have to keep these things in perspective.