DFA 85mm f/1.4 Now on Ricoh's Website

**monochrome** · 06-11-2020, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Well to be fair action shooters got the short end of the stick because the KP is worse than the K-3 at that and the K-1 is plainly abysmal in comparison. I think Pentax *did* miscalculate there and they are now working to correct that.

No doubt.

normhead · 06-11-2020, 05:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

The KP was never intended to replace the APSc Flagship.

There was an interview with one of the Pentax execs recently that said different. It was expected to be what dedicated K-3 owners moved on to. Maybe you don't call that a flagship, but that's just semantics.

---------- Post added 06-11-20 at 09:04 PM ----------

Originally posted by noelpolar

If I am a typical pentaxian.... then the cameras should be slowing at about the same rate as I age. So potential bad news is that Knew might only need to be 4 frames per second..... good news is that it will have an easy find feature to help locate where you last put it down. The 85/1.4 has been made larger for arthritic fingers/hands off course..... whilst helping me to maintain bone density through it's heft.

That's the kind of thing every camera company should be pursuing.

A K-new at 4 frames per second? That would just be wrong. Even our K-5 does better than that. The K-1 needs an upgrade way more than the K-3 does. 4.5 FPS is truly pathetic. It's embarrassing.

**monochrome** · 06-11-2020, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by normhead

There was an interview with one of the Pentax execs recently that said different. It was expected to be what dedicated K-3 owners moved on to. Maybe you don't call that a flagship, but that's just semantics.

But Flagship features are not semantics, they are features and capabilities. Ricoh’s plan was to terminate full-featured (Flagship) bodies with APSc sensors. If that means APSc buyers were supposed to accept KP or upgrade to K-1 then Ricoh was, quite obviously, just wrong - as clearly demonstrated by development of K-new.

noelpolar · 06-11-2020, 07:31 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by normhead

That's the kind of thing every camera company should be pursuing.

A K-new at 4 frames per second? That would just be wrong. Even our K-5 does better than that. The K-1 needs an upgrade way more than the K-3 does. 4.5 FPS is truly pathetic. It's embarrassing.

Off course I am being flippant...as I happily prepare for a two week camping trip starting Monday to our Flinders Ranges.... beer... check..... red wine check..... bread and meat.... check..... you can see how such trip preperation pressure leads to such flippant posts.....

dbs · 06-11-2020, 09:29 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by noelpolar

Off course I am being flippant...as I happily prepare for a two week camping trip starting Monday to our Flinders Ranges.... beer... check..... red wine check..... bread and meat.... check..... you can see how such trip preperation pressure leads to such flippant posts.....

Hi Noel

Don't forget to pick up a 85 on the way through ( don't want to waste a trip now do we ).
I'll listen for the toot as you sail on by.

Dave

Coiseam · 06-12-2020, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by BruceBanner

It's kind hard to explain, probably not the place to bring up this issue here (potentially steer the thread way off topic) and highly specific in nature (to the point that the issue would not really be a problem when shooting adults in the studio vs kids). It might be an issue that can be worked around (hence my use of the word 'force'), it will really boil down to how important this specific feature will be to the kind of work I want to create and whether I can accept certain trade offs or not. I'm sure this issue will be a problem for many other brands too, it's basically something that if I confirm and feel its unsolvable with the K-1 (and it could still be an issue with the K-new) then having this feature will become the next 'must have' feature I will seek out in a camera and thus have no idea if Sony, Fuji, Nikon or whatever have it, it's something I've yet to find out.

Thanks for feedback! I've sent a private message, feel like too much off topic in this thread from both of us

sundown · 06-12-2020, 05:30 AM

It says it's In Stock now at SRS UK. Their "add" button still says "pre-order" but the availability is "in stock" opposed to "coming soon" which it was this morning.

LennyBloke · 06-12-2020, 06:00 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by sundown

It says it's In Stock now at SRS UK. Their "add" button still says "pre-order" but the availability is "in stock" opposed to "coming soon" which it was this morning.

It say "in stock" and the button says "buy now" for me

HarisF1 · 06-12-2020, 06:31 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by LennyBloke

It say "in stock" and the button says "buy now" for me

Which usually suggests the rest of us peasants will get a teaser in a few days time!

Wheatfield · 06-12-2020, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I don't follow your thought here. If I use a f/1.4 PLM lens on my K-30 (*), I am 'stuck' with its being f/1.4 all the time. Aperture is involved in exposure, but it is also involved in DoF, and you address the latter only. The advantage of a variable aperture is choosing the appropriate opening. Yes, sometime I might choose f/1.4, but other times I might want to choose f/5.6.

I would hate being stuck in f/1.4 all the time; I used to view a wide aperture as the cost of darkish conditions, but you would doom me to that all the time. I often photograph large buildings and trains, situations when the DoF provided by f/1.4 is just plain inadequate.

(*) I will never use 'hacked" firmware in my camera.

I have an adapter that allows me to put a K mount lens onto a screw mount camera. Of course in order to do that it is by necessity a short extension tube.
But it allows the lens to work perfectly on a Spotmatic camera.

There is a difference between mountability and usability. Arguing that the two are synonymous is arguing for the sake of argument.
Arguing with someone who is doing that is wasting your time.

normhead · 06-12-2020, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

But Flagship features are not semantics, they are features and capabilities. Ricoh’s plan was to terminate full-featured (Flagship) bodies with APSc sensors. If that means APSc buyers were supposed to accept KP or upgrade to K-1 then Ricoh was, quite obviously, just wrong - as clearly demonstrated by development of K-new.

Both the K-1 and K-P have gone backwards in important wildlife/birding /action capabilities. Even for guys like Kenspo, concert and event shooters they've regressed.

If the K-1 had actually been an upgrade in capability instead of a downgrade in everything but low noise high ISO performance I be more enthusiastic about this take on things. I still take more frames with my k-3 than my k-1, usually more in one wildlife birding session than I do with the K-1 in a whole month. But you do raise a point, it's a possibility that Pentax is catering to the slow paced slow frame rate guys, and will continue to erode the action performance. We'll see.

Between the two things, the expected high cost, and the trend of reduced performance,my K-3 may be active for a long time. I hope they remember, guys like me don't have to buy stuff that' inferior to what we have. I can still pick up a used K-3ii if they don't do across the board improvement on the K-new. It's hard to believe they would put us in a position where we'd have to buy a 4 year old camera to get a performance bump. If they thought we'd buy a downgrade they are truly out of touch. Hopefully K-P sales woke them up.

Zygonyx · 06-12-2020, 07:03 AM - **4 Likes**

ISO100 ; f/1.4 ; 1/500s

Pentax K-1 + HD DFA*85mm f/1.4 (pre-serie) + PRIOLITE MBX500 HS + Silkypix Developer Studio PRO10

LennyBloke · 06-12-2020, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

ISO100 ; f/1.4 ; 1/500s

Pentax K-1 + HD DFA*85mm f/1.4 (pre-serie) + PRIOLITE MBX500 HS + Silkypix Developer Studio PRO10

...so it's true, it has arrived in Europe

---------- Post added 06-12-20 at 03:27 PM ----------

Originally posted by LennyBloke

It say "in stock" and the button says "buy now" for me

SRS Are saying they do not have them in stock

**Serkevan** · 06-12-2020, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Both the K-1 and K-P have gone backwards in important wildlife/birding /action capabilities. Even for guys like Kenspo, concert and event shooters they've regressed.

If the K-1 had actually been an upgrade in capability instead of a downgrade in everything but low noise high ISO performance I be more enthusiastic about this take on things. I still take more frames with my k-3 than my k-1, usually more in one wildlife birding session than I do with the K-1 in a whole month. But you do raise a point, it's a possibility that Pentax is catering to the slow paced slow frame rate guys, and will continue to erode the action performance. We'll see.

Between the two things, the expected high cost, and the trend of reduced performance,my K-3 may be active for a long time. I hope they remember, guys like me don't have to buy stuff that' inferior to what we have. I can still pick up a used K-3ii if they don't do across the board improvement on the K-new. It's hard to believe they would put us in a position where we'd have to buy a 4 year old camera to get a performance bump. If they thought we'd buy a downgrade they are truly out of touch. Hopefully K-P sales woke them up.

Yes, wildlife/action shooters lost out with the change to the K-1. The KP was a camera with a different concept so it also wasn't that appealing. The K-new will fix you guys up, I'm sure of it.

On the other hand, the K-1 is better than the K-3 in every possible way except for buffer and fps. The low speed is a consequence of the sensor but the small buffer *is* something they could have worked on more - hopefully the next FF will be roughly the same camera with better AF and speed and that's it. That way, since I don't need those improvements, I can dedicate the budget exclusively to lenses

phoebus · 06-12-2020, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by normhead

...The K-1 needs an upgrade way more than the K-3 does. 4.5 FPS is truly pathetic. It's embarrassing.

Norm, that's surely a (silicon) hardware limitation of the 36MP sensor. Pretty sure Nikon D800 had a similar rate. If you shoot in crop on the K1, the rate goes up; so the mirror can move faster.

The expected sensor for the KNEW has a far faster read rate. Also it can be assumed that the processor will be a lot faster, if they've leveraged the GRiii system development.

I hope (and fully expect) that the KNEW will exceed the K-3 FPS, with the added benefit of getting more of the burst in focus.

Now, back to the lens...

06-12-2020, 06:54 AM	#521
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by monochrome But Flagship features are not semantics, they are features and capabilities. Ricoh’s plan was to terminate full-featured (Flagship) bodies with APSc sensors. If that means APSc buyers were supposed to accept KP or upgrade to K-1 then Ricoh was, quite obviously, just wrong - as clearly demonstrated by development of K-new. Both the K-1 and K-P have gone backwards in important wildlife/birding /action capabilities. Even for guys like Kenspo, concert and event shooters they've regressed. If the K-1 had actually been an upgrade in capability instead of a downgrade in everything but low noise high ISO performance I be more enthusiastic about this take on things. I still take more frames with my k-3 than my k-1, usually more in one wildlife birding session than I do with the K-1 in a whole month. But you do raise a point, it's a possibility that Pentax is catering to the slow paced slow frame rate guys, and will continue to erode the action performance. We'll see. Between the two things, the expected high cost, and the trend of reduced performance,my K-3 may be active for a long time. I hope they remember, guys like me don't have to buy stuff that' inferior to what we have. I can still pick up a used K-3ii if they don't do across the board improvement on the K-new. It's hard to believe they would put us in a position where we'd have to buy a 4 year old camera to get a performance bump. If they thought we'd buy a downgrade they are truly out of touch. Hopefully K-P sales woke them up. Last edited by normhead; 06-12-2020 at 07:01 AM.

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06-11-2020, 05:08 PM	#511
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Serkevan Well to be fair action shooters got the short end of the stick because the KP is worse than the K-3 at that and the K-1 is plainly abysmal in comparison. I think Pentax did miscalculate there and they are now working to correct that. No doubt.

06-11-2020, 05:58 PM - 1 Like	#512
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by monochrome The KP was never intended to replace the APSc Flagship. There was an interview with one of the Pentax execs recently that said different. It was expected to be what dedicated K-3 owners moved on to. Maybe you don't call that a flagship, but that's just semantics. ---------- Post added 06-11-20 at 09:04 PM ---------- Originally posted by noelpolar If I am a typical pentaxian.... then the cameras should be slowing at about the same rate as I age. So potential bad news is that Knew might only need to be 4 frames per second..... good news is that it will have an easy find feature to help locate where you last put it down. The 85/1.4 has been made larger for arthritic fingers/hands off course..... whilst helping me to maintain bone density through it's heft. That's the kind of thing every camera company should be pursuing. A K-new at 4 frames per second? That would just be wrong. Even our K-5 does better than that. The K-1 needs an upgrade way more than the K-3 does. 4.5 FPS is truly pathetic. It's embarrassing.

06-11-2020, 06:08 PM	#513
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by normhead There was an interview with one of the Pentax execs recently that said different. It was expected to be what dedicated K-3 owners moved on to. Maybe you don't call that a flagship, but that's just semantics. But Flagship features are not semantics, they are features and capabilities. Ricoh’s plan was to terminate full-featured (Flagship) bodies with APSc sensors. If that means APSc buyers were supposed to accept KP or upgrade to K-1 then Ricoh was, quite obviously, just wrong - as clearly demonstrated by development of K-new.

06-11-2020, 07:31 PM - 2 Likes	#514
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by normhead That's the kind of thing every camera company should be pursuing. A K-new at 4 frames per second? That would just be wrong. Even our K-5 does better than that. The K-1 needs an upgrade way more than the K-3 does. 4.5 FPS is truly pathetic. It's embarrassing. Off course I am being flippant...as I happily prepare for a two week camping trip starting Monday to our Flinders Ranges.... beer... check..... red wine check..... bread and meat.... check..... you can see how such trip preperation pressure leads to such flippant posts.....

06-11-2020, 09:29 PM - 1 Like	#515
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,563	Originally posted by noelpolar Off course I am being flippant...as I happily prepare for a two week camping trip starting Monday to our Flinders Ranges.... beer... check..... red wine check..... bread and meat.... check..... you can see how such trip preperation pressure leads to such flippant posts..... Hi Noel Don't forget to pick up a 85 on the way through ( don't want to waste a trip now do we ). I'll listen for the toot as you sail on by. Dave

06-12-2020, 01:22 AM	#516
Coiseam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 205	Originally posted by BruceBanner It's kind hard to explain, probably not the place to bring up this issue here (potentially steer the thread way off topic) and highly specific in nature (to the point that the issue would not really be a problem when shooting adults in the studio vs kids). It might be an issue that can be worked around (hence my use of the word 'force'), it will really boil down to how important this specific feature will be to the kind of work I want to create and whether I can accept certain trade offs or not. I'm sure this issue will be a problem for many other brands too, it's basically something that if I confirm and feel its unsolvable with the K-1 (and it could still be an issue with the K-new) then having this feature will become the next 'must have' feature I will seek out in a camera and thus have no idea if Sony, Fuji, Nikon or whatever have it, it's something I've yet to find out. Thanks for feedback! I've sent a private message, feel like too much off topic in this thread from both of us

06-12-2020, 05:30 AM	#517
sundown Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 588	It says it's In Stock now at SRS UK. Their "add" button still says "pre-order" but the availability is "in stock" opposed to "coming soon" which it was this morning.

06-12-2020, 06:00 AM - 3 Likes	#518
LennyBloke Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Worcestershire, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 677	Originally posted by sundown It says it's In Stock now at SRS UK. Their "add" button still says "pre-order" but the availability is "in stock" opposed to "coming soon" which it was this morning. It say "in stock" and the button says "buy now" for me

06-12-2020, 06:31 AM - 1 Like	#519
HarisF1 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 543	Originally posted by LennyBloke It say "in stock" and the button says "buy now" for me Which usually suggests the rest of us peasants will get a teaser in a few days time!

06-12-2020, 06:35 AM	#520
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by reh321 I don't follow your thought here. If I use a f/1.4 PLM lens on my K-30 (), I am 'stuck' with its being f/1.4 all the time. Aperture is involved in exposure, but it is also involved in DoF, and you address the latter only. The advantage of a variable aperture is choosing the appropriate opening. Yes, sometime I might choose f/1.4, but other times I might want to choose f/5.6. I would hate being stuck in f/1.4 all the time; I used to view a wide aperture as the cost of darkish conditions, but you would doom me to that all the time. I often photograph large buildings and trains, situations when the DoF provided by f/1.4 is just plain inadequate. () I will never use 'hacked" firmware in my camera. I have an adapter that allows me to put a K mount lens onto a screw mount camera. Of course in order to do that it is by necessity a short extension tube. But it allows the lens to work perfectly on a Spotmatic camera. There is a difference between mountability and usability. Arguing that the two are synonymous is arguing for the sake of argument. Arguing with someone who is doing that is wasting your time.

06-12-2020, 07:03 AM - 4 Likes	#522
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	ISO100 ; f/1.4 ; 1/500s Pentax K-1 + HD DFA*85mm f/1.4 (pre-serie) + PRIOLITE MBX500 HS + Silkypix Developer Studio PRO10

06-12-2020, 07:25 AM	#523
LennyBloke Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Worcestershire, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 677	Originally posted by Zygonyx ISO100 ; f/1.4 ; 1/500s Pentax K-1 + HD DFA*85mm f/1.4 (pre-serie) + PRIOLITE MBX500 HS + Silkypix Developer Studio PRO10 ...so it's true, it has arrived in Europe ---------- Post added 06-12-20 at 03:27 PM ---------- Originally posted by LennyBloke It say "in stock" and the button says "buy now" for me SRS Are saying they do not have them in stock

06-12-2020, 08:04 AM	#524
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by normhead Both the K-1 and K-P have gone backwards in important wildlife/birding /action capabilities. Even for guys like Kenspo, concert and event shooters they've regressed. If the K-1 had actually been an upgrade in capability instead of a downgrade in everything but low noise high ISO performance I be more enthusiastic about this take on things. I still take more frames with my k-3 than my k-1, usually more in one wildlife birding session than I do with the K-1 in a whole month. But you do raise a point, it's a possibility that Pentax is catering to the slow paced slow frame rate guys, and will continue to erode the action performance. We'll see. Between the two things, the expected high cost, and the trend of reduced performance,my K-3 may be active for a long time. I hope they remember, guys like me don't have to buy stuff that' inferior to what we have. I can still pick up a used K-3ii if they don't do across the board improvement on the K-new. It's hard to believe they would put us in a position where we'd have to buy a 4 year old camera to get a performance bump. If they thought we'd buy a downgrade they are truly out of touch. Hopefully K-P sales woke them up. Yes, wildlife/action shooters lost out with the change to the K-1. The KP was a camera with a different concept so it also wasn't that appealing. The K-new will fix you guys up, I'm sure of it. On the other hand, the K-1 is better than the K-3 in every possible way except for buffer and fps. The low speed is a consequence of the sensor but the small buffer is something they could have worked on more - hopefully the next FF will be roughly the same camera with better AF and speed and that's it. That way, since I don't need those improvements, I can dedicate the budget exclusively to lenses

06-12-2020, 09:49 AM	#525
phoebus Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Buckinghamshire (UK) / Morbihan (FR) Photos: Gallery Posts: 470	Originally posted by normhead ...The K-1 needs an upgrade way more than the K-3 does. 4.5 FPS is truly pathetic. It's embarrassing. Norm, that's surely a (silicon) hardware limitation of the 36MP sensor. Pretty sure Nikon D800 had a similar rate. If you shoot in crop on the K1, the rate goes up; so the mirror can move faster. The expected sensor for the KNEW has a far faster read rate. Also it can be assumed that the processor will be a lot faster, if they've leveraged the GRiii system development. I hope (and fully expect) that the KNEW will exceed the K-3 FPS, with the added benefit of getting more of the burst in focus. Now, back to the lens...