K30D/K300D speculations and new lenses

NewRsoul · 12-14-2008, 09:56 AM

I've not used any of the small hand held GPS units, but I have some of the bluetooth and stand alone units for cars etc. and they can take ages to aquire signal and lock on?

Blue · 12-14-2008, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by raider

I think pentax FF in 2009 is highly unlikely. I think the chance is less than 1%. If I am proven wrong, I will be damned

I agree with you in that regard, well except for the "be damned" part.

I think it is more likely that Pentax will do something different such as an aps-h. Many often overlook the fact that Pentax's medium format cameras are slr and the 645D would be an slr.

**Rorschach** · 12-14-2008, 10:04 AM

The new GPS chips are much faster and don't have a problem with tree canopies or urban city canyons.

Blue · 12-14-2008, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Boucicaut

The new GPS chips are much faster and don't have a problem with tree canopies or urban city canyons.

I think adding it as an optional grip item would make more since. That way, they can streamline manufacturing and not have to build X number of units with gps and x number without it.

regken · 12-14-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Blue

I think adding it as an optional grip item would make more since. That way, they can streamline manufacturing and not have to build X number of units with gps and x number without it.

Many people that want GPS are hikers and one of the main reasons they like Pentax is for the small form factor. Adding a grip is not an option.

thibs · 12-14-2008, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by regken

Many people that want GPS are hikers and one of the main reasons they like Pentax is for the small form factor. Adding a grip is not an option.

I don't care about hicking, I care about knowing in 5-10 years where any picture has been taken. GPS can do that, exactly. SI even in a grip, I'd use it everywhere.

Blue · 12-14-2008, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by regken

Many people that want GPS are hikers and one of the main reasons they like Pentax is for the small form factor. Adding a grip is not an option.

I hate to break it to you, but adding GPS to the body is going to have an effect on Form factor and I don't think it is going to effect hikers, canoers, or kayakers in a negative way. The K-m is being hocked based on its small form factor but gives up the dust and weather sealing. Finally, many people do in fact have a grip for their K20ds and even the K200d. Besides, I would hate to have an out moded gps unit inside my camera when it could be in the grip.

regken · 12-14-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Blue

I hate to break it to you, but adding GPS to the body is going to have an effect on Form factor and I don't think it is going to effect hikers, canoers, or kayakers in a negative way. .

GPS chips are being put in P&S cameras now and do not increase the size. Why should it change a DSLR? I am a hiker, canoer and a kayaker and i will not buy a grip for any reason.

regken · 12-14-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by thibs

I don't care about hicking, I care about knowing in 5-10 years where any picture has been taken. GPS can do that, exactly. SI even in a grip, I'd use it everywhere.

For less than a grip you can buy a great stand alone GPS unit.

Blue · 12-14-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by regken

GPS chips are being put in P&S cameras now and do not increase the size. Why should it change a DSLR? I am a hiker, canoer and a kayaker and i will not buy a grip for any reason.

They are in cell phones also, but some of us using professional grade GPS and what's the point if it isn't up to an advanced Garman unit much less a Trimble?

Originally posted by regken

For less than a grip you can buy a great stand alone GPS unit.

Already do.

Edit: A modular design makes more since in the grand scheme of marketing and tailoring it to individual needs rather than a "one size fits all" deal.

**Rorschach** · 12-14-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by regken

GPS chips are being put in P&S cameras now and do not increase the size. Why should it change a DSLR? I am a hiker, canoer and a kayaker and i will not buy a grip for any reason.

Yep- I don't think it'l cause a significant weight/form factor change.

I see you are from Maine. Some very good friends of mine live there and we're planning to visit them one day. Perhaps we can meet and go hiking/shooting? Always nice to meet another Pentaxian! What say you?
This isn't going to happen next year however as our budget is strangled by the mortgage etc. But it WILL happen one day

regken · 12-14-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Boucicaut

Yep- I don't think it'l cause a significant weight/form factor change.

I see you are from Maine. Some very good friends of mine live there and we're planning to visit them one day. Perhaps we can meet and go hiking/shooting? Always nice to meet another Pentaxian! What say you?
This isn't going to happen next year however as our budget is strangled by the mortgage etc. But it WILL happen one day

Love to have you visit. Our mountains don't match yours but the lobster fishing is a very colorful sight. Take a look at my pbase site listed in the footer. I'd be more than happy to show you around.
Ken

Blue · 12-14-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Boucicaut

Yep- I don't think it'l cause a significant weight/form factor change.

I see you are from Maine. Some very good friends of mine live there and we're planning to visit them one day. Perhaps we can meet and go hiking/shooting? Always nice to meet another Pentaxian! What say you?
This isn't going to happen next year however as our budget is strangled by the mortgage etc. But it WILL happen one day

The gps unit in the P6000 can be off as much as several hundred meters according to the manual. It is also limited by trees etc. here is my favorite excerpt from the manual:

Quote:

receiving of signals will be smoother when antenna is facing the sky

I guess that isn't too big of a deal with a P&S.

But 100 plus meters is next to worthless for what I would need in a gps unit in field sites.

KungPOW · 12-14-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by *isteve

I think you should try therapy.

My therapist sugested I start a relaxing hoby... Like photography.

**Rorschach** · 12-14-2008, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Blue

I agree with you in that regard, well except for the "be damned" part.

I think it is more likely that Pentax will do something different such as an aps-h. Many often overlook the fact that Pentax's medium format cameras are slr and the 645D would be an slr.

Yes, and fortunately I have the 67 --> 645 adapter at hand in case the 645D should materialize. Real nice to be able to use my 67 lenses with both systems.

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NewRsoul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 81	How well with this work? I've not used any of the small hand held GPS units, but I have some of the bluetooth and stand alone units for cars etc. and they can take ages to aquire signal and lock on?

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12-14-2008, 10:02 AM	#182
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by raider I think pentax FF in 2009 is highly unlikely. I think the chance is less than 1%. If I am proven wrong, I will be damned I agree with you in that regard, well except for the "be damned" part. I think it is more likely that Pentax will do something different such as an aps-h. Many often overlook the fact that Pentax's medium format cameras are slr and the 645D would be an slr.

12-14-2008, 10:04 AM	#183
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	The new GPS chips are much faster and don't have a problem with tree canopies or urban city canyons.

12-14-2008, 10:09 AM	#184
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Boucicaut The new GPS chips are much faster and don't have a problem with tree canopies or urban city canyons. I think adding it as an optional grip item would make more since. That way, they can streamline manufacturing and not have to build X number of units with gps and x number without it.

12-14-2008, 10:19 AM	#185
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by Blue I think adding it as an optional grip item would make more since. That way, they can streamline manufacturing and not have to build X number of units with gps and x number without it. Many people that want GPS are hikers and one of the main reasons they like Pentax is for the small form factor. Adding a grip is not an option.

12-14-2008, 10:54 AM	#186
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by regken Many people that want GPS are hikers and one of the main reasons they like Pentax is for the small form factor. Adding a grip is not an option. I don't care about hicking, I care about knowing in 5-10 years where any picture has been taken. GPS can do that, exactly. SI even in a grip, I'd use it everywhere.

12-14-2008, 11:05 AM	#187
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by regken Many people that want GPS are hikers and one of the main reasons they like Pentax is for the small form factor. Adding a grip is not an option. I hate to break it to you, but adding GPS to the body is going to have an effect on Form factor and I don't think it is going to effect hikers, canoers, or kayakers in a negative way. The K-m is being hocked based on its small form factor but gives up the dust and weather sealing. Finally, many people do in fact have a grip for their K20ds and even the K200d. Besides, I would hate to have an out moded gps unit inside my camera when it could be in the grip.

12-14-2008, 11:13 AM	#188
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by Blue I hate to break it to you, but adding GPS to the body is going to have an effect on Form factor and I don't think it is going to effect hikers, canoers, or kayakers in a negative way. . GPS chips are being put in P&S cameras now and do not increase the size. Why should it change a DSLR? I am a hiker, canoer and a kayaker and i will not buy a grip for any reason.

12-14-2008, 11:16 AM	#189
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by thibs I don't care about hicking, I care about knowing in 5-10 years where any picture has been taken. GPS can do that, exactly. SI even in a grip, I'd use it everywhere. For less than a grip you can buy a great stand alone GPS unit.

12-14-2008, 11:22 AM	#190
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by regken GPS chips are being put in P&S cameras now and do not increase the size. Why should it change a DSLR? I am a hiker, canoer and a kayaker and i will not buy a grip for any reason. They are in cell phones also, but some of us using professional grade GPS and what's the point if it isn't up to an advanced Garman unit much less a Trimble? Originally posted by regken For less than a grip you can buy a great stand alone GPS unit. Already do. Edit: A modular design makes more since in the grand scheme of marketing and tailoring it to individual needs rather than a "one size fits all" deal.

12-14-2008, 11:28 AM	#191
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by regken GPS chips are being put in P&S cameras now and do not increase the size. Why should it change a DSLR? I am a hiker, canoer and a kayaker and i will not buy a grip for any reason. Yep- I don't think it'l cause a significant weight/form factor change. I see you are from Maine. Some very good friends of mine live there and we're planning to visit them one day. Perhaps we can meet and go hiking/shooting? Always nice to meet another Pentaxian! What say you? This isn't going to happen next year however as our budget is strangled by the mortgage etc. But it WILL happen one day

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12-14-2008, 11:35 AM	#192
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by Boucicaut Yep- I don't think it'l cause a significant weight/form factor change. I see you are from Maine. Some very good friends of mine live there and we're planning to visit them one day. Perhaps we can meet and go hiking/shooting? Always nice to meet another Pentaxian! What say you? This isn't going to happen next year however as our budget is strangled by the mortgage etc. But it WILL happen one day Love to have you visit. Our mountains don't match yours but the lobster fishing is a very colorful sight. Take a look at my pbase site listed in the footer. I'd be more than happy to show you around. Ken

12-14-2008, 11:47 AM	#193
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Boucicaut Yep- I don't think it'l cause a significant weight/form factor change. I see you are from Maine. Some very good friends of mine live there and we're planning to visit them one day. Perhaps we can meet and go hiking/shooting? Always nice to meet another Pentaxian! What say you? This isn't going to happen next year however as our budget is strangled by the mortgage etc. But it WILL happen one day The gps unit in the P6000 can be off as much as several hundred meters according to the manual. It is also limited by trees etc. here is my favorite excerpt from the manual: Quote: receiving of signals will be smoother when antenna is facing the sky I guess that isn't too big of a deal with a P&S. But 100 plus meters is next to worthless for what I would need in a gps unit in field sites.

12-14-2008, 12:02 PM	#194
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	Originally posted by *isteve I think you should try therapy. My therapist sugested I start a relaxing hoby... Like photography.

12-14-2008, 12:16 PM	#195
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by Blue I agree with you in that regard, well except for the "be damned" part. I think it is more likely that Pentax will do something different such as an aps-h. Many often overlook the fact that Pentax's medium format cameras are slr and the 645D would be an slr. Yes, and fortunately I have the 67 --> 645 adapter at hand in case the 645D should materialize. Real nice to be able to use my 67 lenses with both systems.