K30D/K300D speculations and new lenses

**Rorschach** · 12-14-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by regken

Love to have you visit. Our mountains don't match yours but the lobster fishing is a very colorful sight. Take a look at my pbase site listed in the footer. I'd be more than happy to show you around.
Ken

Great! Likewise, our door's open if you're in the neighbourhood. You might be disappointed about the mountains here though

They're more like fjells. i.e. quite gently sloping and not so high (caused by a couple ice ages that grinded the landscape). What we do have in abundance, though, are lakes, streams, bogs and boreal forests.

NewRsoul · 12-14-2008, 12:29 PM

Ok, so you say the chip are much better these days, and yes anyone can glue an asic onto the main board, but what about an aerial for the device? I know they could do an internal dipole, but there's lots of 'buzzing' electronics going on in there so they would need to shield it some how, all of which will require space, unless I'm wrong, and if they don't have the space maybe it won't receive too well and not awfully accurate?

I suppose all I'm saying is :- Is it worth doing badly just to say you've got it? Or are they better to resize the thing, increase the size, or shrink the internals to make a proper job.

**Rorschach** · 12-14-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by NewRsoul

Ok, so you say the chip are much better these days, and yes anyone can glue an asic onto the main board, but what about an aerial for the device? I know they could do an internal dipole, but there's lots of 'buzzing' electronics going on in there so they would need to shield it some how, all of which will require space, unless I'm wrong, and if they don't have the space maybe it won't receive too well and not awfully accurate?

I suppose all I'm saying is :- Is it worth doing badly just to say you've got it? Or are they better to resize the thing, increase the size, or shrink the internals to make a proper job.

I'm not sure but maybe one could use the pop-up flash and join the aerial with that? That way shielding maybe wouldn't be a big problem. But I agree, there's no use doing things badly / for marketing reasons so I'm hoping they get it right.

thibs · 12-14-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by regken

For less than a grip you can buy a great stand alone GPS unit.

And have to sync later instead of direct EXIF tagging ? You may want but I do not.

regken · 12-14-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by thibs

And have to sync later instead of direct EXIF tagging ? You may want but I do not.

I agree. I don't want to sync later nor do I want a grip attached to the body. We all have our own needs/wants. Heck, I don't even want to carry the extra GPS unit. Ideally for me it will be in the body and it won't increase the size either.

falconeye · 12-16-2008, 04:10 AM

Let me add a comment from somebody who geotaggs all his photos (me

):

PRO (for doing it in the body):
+ It comes for free (the chip is ~2.5x2.5mm only and the extra cost is marginal - USD1.20 - Infineon BGM681L11).
+ Every future device larger than a watch will have GPS.
+ It is nice if every photo has some geo tag in the Exif (except for the iPhone where Europe gets mapped into the Atlantic Ocean, thanks Steve, for still not fixing it).

CONTRA:
- Even if it is GPS-A, such chips will be switched off with the device and the position after activation (read: when you press the shutter from sleep mode) will be very coarse. In real life, you won't be able to know which building you shot on a city walk.
- It does not geo log
- I still need to use GeoSetter.de to sync Exifs in order to get real world location names into the Exifs (so, I can search for Paris later on).

And because putting my geologger into my photo bag is a routine for me which wouldn't change with a K20D GPS edition, I decided to totally ignore the issue. My geologger is MUCH smaller than a grip, always accurate (10m) and always there (because it goes to sleep mode if the photo bag doesn't move -- it has a vibration sensor to switch on again

it recharges as a side effect of syncing my Exifs via USB).

denisv · 12-16-2008, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

+ It comes for free (the chip is ~2.5x2.5mm only and the extra cost is marginal - USD1.20 - Infineon BGM681L11).

It may be free for the manufacturer, but the end-user will pay for the feature.

thibs · 12-16-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by denisv

It may be free for the manufacturer, but the end-user will pay for the feature.

Well, you may ask for a manual focus body and lens to try cutting a couple dollars off
as well (it wouldn't btw but that's a different story).

What about the guys who wants FF but not high speed? Don't you think they do pay for it when they buy current FF cameras? But they just needed about 2fps. Tooo bad, really they got screwed didn't they ?

denisv · 12-16-2008, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Well, you may ask for a manual focus body

Nikon is way ahead of Pentax there...

Something that would be useful though is an AF assist lamp in the body. I wonder why only Nikon has that? Some sort of patent issue?

NorthPentax · 12-19-2008, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by denisv

Nikon is way ahead of Pentax there...

Something that would be useful though is an AF assist lamp in the body. I wonder why only Nikon has that? Some sort of patent issue?

I have one on my Sigma SD-14. The light is very bright. Better than flash assist.

ogl · 01-09-2009, 11:21 AM

It seems to me K300D is on the way.

Officially Pentax has several FA fixed lenses which can work at APS-H sensor -
have a look
FA20-35 = 26-45 mm
FA31 = 40 mm at APS-H
FA35 = 45 mm
FA50 = 65 mm
FA77 = 100 mm

not bad...

séamuis · 01-09-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by ogl

It seems to me K300D is on the way.

Officially Pentax has several FA fixed lenses which can work at APS-H sensor -
have a look
FA20-35 = 26-45 mm
FA31 = 40 mm at APS-H
FA35 = 45 mm
FA50 = 65 mm
FA77 = 100 mm

not bad...

as long as its not too big and heavy im all for it. I think an APS-H sensor (especially if its a samsung) will rocket Pentax into the limelight. so many people overlook the K20D's sensor because its APS-C despite how good it is. I dont think Pentax needs a FF sensor or an APS-H for that matter but if thast what they want to do I will be happy about it. I think the one thing Pentax is trying to avoid (other than alienating its APS-C users) is a larger heavier camera. I still dont see it happening because of the DA lenses but who knows.

Supernaut · 01-09-2009, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by ogl

It seems to me K300D is on the way.

Officially Pentax has several FA fixed lenses which can work at APS-H sensor -
have a look
FA20-35 = 26-45 mm
FA31 = 40 mm at APS-H
FA35 = 45 mm
FA50 = 65 mm
FA77 = 100 mm

not bad...

Pentax also have lenses that will fit an FF:
FA35 = 35mm
FA50 = 50mm
and so on...

APS-H is the least probable rumor yet imo.

ogl · 01-09-2009, 11:48 AM

Of course. Rumor.
But I think that APS-H is not bad idea as I thought before...
APS-H can offer low noise, close to FF. If Pentax can offer such camera for USD1300-1500 it could be very cool.

K20D is good work, but camera is not such succesfull as K10D. Alas...
To make upgrade of K20D under name K30D is not enough. IMO.

séamuis · 01-09-2009, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Of course. Rumor.
But I think that APS-H is not bad idea as I thought before...
APS-H can offer low noise, close to FF. If Pentax can offer such camera for USD1300-1500 it could be very cool.

I agree. I think Pentax has been rather clear about not doing a FF sensor in the near future and a APS-H would be very close to it in a lot of respects. I also don't think its a very credible rumor, and I dont expect to see it on the next released bodies but it could be a smart move for Pentax.

Quote:

To make upgrade of K20D under name K30D is not enough. IMO.

that is the most likely possibility.

12-14-2008, 12:29 PM	#197
NewRsoul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 81	Form factor... Ok, so you say the chip are much better these days, and yes anyone can glue an asic onto the main board, but what about an aerial for the device? I know they could do an internal dipole, but there's lots of 'buzzing' electronics going on in there so they would need to shield it some how, all of which will require space, unless I'm wrong, and if they don't have the space maybe it won't receive too well and not awfully accurate? I suppose all I'm saying is :- Is it worth doing badly just to say you've got it? Or are they better to resize the thing, increase the size, or shrink the internals to make a proper job.

01-09-2009, 11:21 AM	#206
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	It seems to me K300D is on the way. Officially Pentax has several FA fixed lenses which can work at APS-H sensor - have a look FA20-35 = 26-45 mm FA31 = 40 mm at APS-H FA35 = 45 mm FA50 = 65 mm FA77 = 100 mm not bad... Last edited by ogl; 01-09-2009 at 11:32 AM.

01-09-2009, 11:48 AM	#209
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Of course. Rumor. But I think that APS-H is not bad idea as I thought before... APS-H can offer low noise, close to FF. If Pentax can offer such camera for USD1300-1500 it could be very cool. K20D is good work, but camera is not such succesfull as K10D. Alas... To make upgrade of K20D under name K30D is not enough. IMO. Last edited by ogl; 01-09-2009 at 11:54 AM.

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12-14-2008, 12:20 PM	#196
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by regken Love to have you visit. Our mountains don't match yours but the lobster fishing is a very colorful sight. Take a look at my pbase site listed in the footer. I'd be more than happy to show you around. Ken Great! Likewise, our door's open if you're in the neighbourhood. You might be disappointed about the mountains here though They're more like fjells. i.e. quite gently sloping and not so high (caused by a couple ice ages that grinded the landscape). What we do have in abundance, though, are lakes, streams, bogs and boreal forests.

12-14-2008, 12:34 PM	#198
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by NewRsoul Ok, so you say the chip are much better these days, and yes anyone can glue an asic onto the main board, but what about an aerial for the device? I know they could do an internal dipole, but there's lots of 'buzzing' electronics going on in there so they would need to shield it some how, all of which will require space, unless I'm wrong, and if they don't have the space maybe it won't receive too well and not awfully accurate? I suppose all I'm saying is :- Is it worth doing badly just to say you've got it? Or are they better to resize the thing, increase the size, or shrink the internals to make a proper job. I'm not sure but maybe one could use the pop-up flash and join the aerial with that? That way shielding maybe wouldn't be a big problem. But I agree, there's no use doing things badly / for marketing reasons so I'm hoping they get it right.

12-14-2008, 03:11 PM	#199
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by regken For less than a grip you can buy a great stand alone GPS unit. And have to sync later instead of direct EXIF tagging ? You may want but I do not.

12-14-2008, 03:19 PM	#200
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	Originally posted by thibs And have to sync later instead of direct EXIF tagging ? You may want but I do not. I agree. I don't want to sync later nor do I want a grip attached to the body. We all have our own needs/wants. Heck, I don't even want to carry the extra GPS unit. Ideally for me it will be in the body and it won't increase the size either.

12-16-2008, 04:10 AM	#201
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Let me add a comment from somebody who geotaggs all his photos (me ): PRO (for doing it in the body): + It comes for free (the chip is ~2.5x2.5mm only and the extra cost is marginal - USD1.20 - Infineon BGM681L11). + Every future device larger than a watch will have GPS. + It is nice if every photo has some geo tag in the Exif (except for the iPhone where Europe gets mapped into the Atlantic Ocean, thanks Steve, for still not fixing it). CONTRA: - Even if it is GPS-A, such chips will be switched off with the device and the position after activation (read: when you press the shutter from sleep mode) will be very coarse. In real life, you won't be able to know which building you shot on a city walk. - It does not geo log - I still need to use GeoSetter.de to sync Exifs in order to get real world location names into the Exifs (so, I can search for Paris later on). And because putting my geologger into my photo bag is a routine for me which wouldn't change with a K20D GPS edition, I decided to totally ignore the issue. My geologger is MUCH smaller than a grip, always accurate (10m) and always there (because it goes to sleep mode if the photo bag doesn't move -- it has a vibration sensor to switch on again it recharges as a side effect of syncing my Exifs via USB).

12-16-2008, 08:33 AM	#202
denisv Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 66	Originally posted by falconeye + It comes for free (the chip is ~2.5x2.5mm only and the extra cost is marginal - USD1.20 - Infineon BGM681L11). It may be free for the manufacturer, but the end-user will pay for the feature.

12-16-2008, 10:16 AM	#203
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by denisv It may be free for the manufacturer, but the end-user will pay for the feature. Well, you may ask for a manual focus body and lens to try cutting a couple dollars off as well (it wouldn't btw but that's a different story). What about the guys who wants FF but not high speed? Don't you think they do pay for it when they buy current FF cameras? But they just needed about 2fps. Tooo bad, really they got screwed didn't they ?

12-16-2008, 11:01 AM	#204
denisv Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 66	Originally posted by thibs Well, you may ask for a manual focus body Nikon is way ahead of Pentax there... Something that would be useful though is an AF assist lamp in the body. I wonder why only Nikon has that? Some sort of patent issue?

12-19-2008, 07:31 PM	#205
NorthPentax Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: No(r)way Photos: Gallery Posts: 179	Originally posted by denisv Nikon is way ahead of Pentax there... Something that would be useful though is an AF assist lamp in the body. I wonder why only Nikon has that? Some sort of patent issue? I have one on my Sigma SD-14. The light is very bright. Better than flash assist.

01-09-2009, 11:41 AM	#207
séamuis Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Savannah, U.S./Baguio City, P.H. Posts: 5,979	Originally posted by ogl It seems to me K300D is on the way. Officially Pentax has several FA fixed lenses which can work at APS-H sensor - have a look FA20-35 = 26-45 mm FA31 = 40 mm at APS-H FA35 = 45 mm FA50 = 65 mm FA77 = 100 mm not bad... as long as its not too big and heavy im all for it. I think an APS-H sensor (especially if its a samsung) will rocket Pentax into the limelight. so many people overlook the K20D's sensor because its APS-C despite how good it is. I dont think Pentax needs a FF sensor or an APS-H for that matter but if thast what they want to do I will be happy about it. I think the one thing Pentax is trying to avoid (other than alienating its APS-C users) is a larger heavier camera. I still dont see it happening because of the DA lenses but who knows.

01-09-2009, 11:43 AM	#208
Supernaut Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Coast , Sweden Posts: 467	Originally posted by ogl It seems to me K300D is on the way. Officially Pentax has several FA fixed lenses which can work at APS-H sensor - have a look FA20-35 = 26-45 mm FA31 = 40 mm at APS-H FA35 = 45 mm FA50 = 65 mm FA77 = 100 mm not bad... Pentax also have lenses that will fit an FF: FA35 = 35mm FA50 = 50mm and so on... APS-H is the least probable rumor yet imo.

01-09-2009, 11:56 AM	#210
séamuis Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Savannah, U.S./Baguio City, P.H. Posts: 5,979	Originally posted by ogl Of course. Rumor. But I think that APS-H is not bad idea as I thought before... APS-H can offer low noise, close to FF. If Pentax can offer such camera for USD1300-1500 it could be very cool. I agree. I think Pentax has been rather clear about not doing a FF sensor in the near future and a APS-H would be very close to it in a lot of respects. I also don't think its a very credible rumor, and I dont expect to see it on the next released bodies but it could be a smart move for Pentax. Quote: To make upgrade of K20D under name K30D is not enough. IMO. that is the most likely possibility.