[reh321]

That is good to know, because that is not what I meant.

Steve

I apologize then for misunderstanding #7 then.

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[stevebrot]

But if this lawsuit is successful, the result will probably be the killing off of the Pentax brand. A brand that sells in the tens of thousands and has to pay off millions of dollars (including the lawyer fees) will probably - I think - make someone up high at Ricoh go "nah, no longer worth the trouble".

It is hard to say. I did some research and the suit is still alive with Ricoh USA as the respondent. Judges have been assigned and plaintiff is asking for additional time to prepare revisions as of earlier this month. I don't have specifics, lacking a PACER account.

FWIW, I would expect an award on the order of half the estimated purchase price of the defective cameras purchased alone. The purchase of additional kit is irrelevant. The $5,000,000 figure was stated to provide standing in regards to statute, but is not unreasonable. I don't know if failure to demonstrate $5,000,000 actual damage or the required 12,000 class members on discovery would result in dismissal out of hand. Much depends on whether depreciation is applied and available information regarding camera age at failure and number of failed cameras (i.e. the size of the class). Number of clicks is irrelevant as are total sales.


Steve

[Ivan]

Вот как я отношусь ко многим темам для разговоров в наши дни. Пришлось посмотреть, где Рига, красивое место!

It's good that you think so. This suggests that the bottom has not yet been broken.

[jswilson64]

As for PC35 PhotoLab (dba Pentax Camera Repair), it is hard to say what their process is.

They do the "sand the solenoid" thing. When the defective part did its thing in my K-50, I emailed them to find out how they do the repair.

[Photos-by-Chas]

I'm not sure what to think about this.
Yes, they should have done something about this - years ago.
But if this lawsuit is successful, the result will probably be the killing off of the Pentax brand. A brand that sells in the tens of thousands and has to pay off millions of dollars (including the lawyer fees) will probably - I think - make someone up high at Ricoh go "nah, no longer worth the trouble".

By "...sells in the tens of thousands..."are you meaning dollars or items. With the prices of the cameras being in the hundreds of dollars and a few in the thousands of dollars they would not be losing in the long run. Plus the way many opinions in this thread seem to be leaning away from much being paid out, I doubt the Pentax line will die off soon. There are still significant supporters and buyers of the product.

[stillshot2]

The KP has a stepper motor.

I'm not saying you're wrong but where is proof of that? Possible future KP owner here.

[reh321]

I'm not saying you're wrong but where is proof of that? Possible future KP owner here.

In a PF interview several years ago, a Ricoh representative did say that the KP does have the same aperture mechanism that the K-3 does,
but I’m not going to look through old interviews to find that particular comment.

[stevebrot]

I'm not saying you're wrong but where is proof of that? Possible future KP owner here.

In the photo you can see a "bump" on the front of the KP just to left of the red index mark on the mount. That bump makes space for the aperture actuator motor. There is a similar bump on flagship models going back to the K-7.




Steve

[clackers]

I'm not saying you're wrong but where is proof of that? Possible future KP owner here.

Ooh, get your credit card out!

The K-3 III will obviously be superior, but cost way more.

[Mistral75]

By "...sells in the tens of thousands..."are you meaning dollars or items. (...)

Ricoh Imaging sold approx. 40,000 Pentax DSLRs in 2019.

[totsmuyco]

In the photo you can see a "bump" on the front of the KP just to left of the red index mark on the mount. That bump makes space for the aperture actuator motor. There is a similar bump on flagship models going back to the K-7.




Steve

If I happen to have some spare cash, I'm getting one for myself too. Gorgeous looking piece of photo equipment.

[Photos-by-Chas]

Ricoh Imaging sold approx. 40,000 Pentax DSLRs in 2019.

If the average price of those units was $750 that means a gross income of around $30 Million.

[UlrichSchiegg]

Ricoh Imaging sold approx. 40,000 Pentax DSLRs in 2019.

Or may half of that or maybe a third of that. Or is it double or triple. This is all Internet magic.

[normhead]

If the average price of those units was $750 that means a gross income of around $30 Million.

That's unlikely given the sales of K-1 and K-1ii units.

[Mistral75]

If the average price of those units was $750 that means a gross income of around $30 Million.

That's unlikely given the sales of K-1 and K-1ii units.

Don't mix up retail price and revenue for the manufacturer.