Originally posted by normhead Used in English, "with all due respect" is often used to preface a point that is in disagreement with the person you are talking to. It's kind of like "listen up, I don't agree with your point. Here's why." Or another interpretation could be " I understand your point but I don' think it's relevant to the conversation because of ........"
Ah... this could apply to me?
English is not my native language and I had again and again difficulties with what could be called "form".
My usual approach is "form follows function" but to others this can come over as inpolite.
I personal find stupidity and ignorance impolite. No, not just impolite but actually rude!
The difficulty is: Anger is something everybody right away can point their finger at. It is easy to do so.
Anger belongs to what is called "negativity", or one could call it a "negative emotion". This means it is a reaction.
So one reacts to a negative emotion, everybody in his/her personal way, i.e. as one is "programmed"
One reacts "upset". But such a reaction then is nothing else than exactly this: A reaction!
It is not one yota better but stays exactly on the same level.
So we have what is called politness as a measure against reaction.
Fine, that is a rule and thus accepted.
But there are other negativities, other negative emotions!
One of them ... these days a huge huge problem:
IGNORANCE
Ignorance is not that easely to be pointed at. An ignorant person behaves just dull, blockheaded, like concrete, won't move.
Since a few month we can observe for the first time since a long time that ignorance can actually be pointed at:
Thanks to corona/Covid19!
All the sudden ignorance is shown to us, confronts us
(except the ignorant of course!)
There are other forms of negativity, and some well disguised.
One is called
cleverness.
Combined with ignorance a very nasty one.
So back to those words "with all due respect":
A highly regarded moderator here (whom I do highly respect!) recommended to me to use these words when I disagree with something and I know the person is wrong. So I did (with some inner resistance, which I shall explain later on)
But it seems now to me that to others it actually means the opposite.
But what about those who bend over with politeness, kissing the feet of those who agree with them? Is that respect?
My immedeate reaction is "this makes me sick". To me it is false. Kind of prostituting oneself.
I find there is a simple logic:
Stupid questions deserve stupid answers.
Because stupidity is usually the basis of ignorance.
With stupidity I don't mean a person who can't help it! Also not at all a simple person. Far off! Often high up in the mountains and met very simple people which I admired and had a high respect for.
No, with stupid I mean those who are stubborn goats, who block development, those who don't know at all but pretend to know.
So applying the words "with all due respect" I'd see as a game, a game I have to accept and respect, but inwardly, no, there is no respect.
I do not respect ignorance. As well disguised as it may be. I also do not respect overpolitness, its smells fishy, slimy... and sometimes it stinks.
So with stupid questions I mean those type of questions which either demand answers which with a little effort instead of laid back lazyness could quite easely be found out by oneself.
Questions posed by those
"who expect roast pigeons flying into their wide open mouth."
And those who bring questions and members of our forum make an effort to answer but the TO does not move a yota to respond again, to either answer well though out questions to help or ... who don't feel there is any need to tell about the outcome. Lack of considering or just rude or lazy or a combination of all.
Not easy, all this.
So my personal aim is to respect the forum rules, but I don't respect nor inwardly accept those who act with ignorance, stubbornness, disguised rudeness and/or cleverness.
Anything personal could also be solved via p.m.
One suggestion against misuse in this forum:
Often when reading reviews either of lenses or cameras I find reviews by people where I guess they have this very lens and want to sell it.
So they write this rave review to maybe just point at it when selling their lens on ebay.
I think somebody being allowed to write a review should have participated at least 30 times in threads.
The opposite also has happened, somebody was just angry about a purchase and now writes a very bad review.
Difficult, but maybe worth considering?
After all:
My high respect to the moderators who do tremendous work!
Last edited by photogem; 08-17-2020 at 03:33 AM.