[Wheatfield]

I will be most interested in their lens announcements in the coming year; I believe they have “enough” to make viable “modern” DSLR systems now, so where they go with lenses will signal where they are going with bodies.

I'm looking at what I'm getting from the new 85mm and thinking the body direction is somewhere in the 60-80 mp range. I don't think that lens will have any problems supporting a sensor of that density.

[monochrome]

I'm looking at what I'm getting from the new 85mm and thinking the body direction is somewhere in the 60-80 mp range. I don't think that lens will have any problems supporting a sensor of that density.

K-next FF. I wonder what the FF sensor development roadmap is.¡

[robbiec]

I'm looking at what I'm getting from the new 85mm and thinking the body direction is somewhere in the 60-80 mp range. I don't think that lens will have any problems supporting a sensor of that density.

They've designed these for a generation so 60-80 mp range makes sense for FF over the next 5 to 10 years. A lens generation is what 10 - 15 years?

[Zooland]

Pretty lousy as marketing video. Much ado about nothing.

It’s all about timing.

[mlt]

I wonder if it closer than they’re letting on. The D-BG6 grip for the current K-1 series is down to less than $149 at the major online sellers

[Fontan]

I'm looking at what I'm getting from the new 85mm and thinking the body direction is somewhere in the 60-80 mp range. I don't think that lens will have any problems supporting a sensor of that density.

Putting aside the issue of if anybody really need 60-80 mp, the enormity of the file sizes would be a burden for me.

[Wheatfield]

Putting aside the issue of if anybody really need 60-80 mp, the enormity of the file sizes would be a burden for me.

Heck, the 36mp files become a monster when doing focus stacking. I have what would have been a mid high end computer when it was built in 2016 with 32gb if ram and I spend a lot of time in swap.
Another 10-15 megapixels would be nice, but since we are committing to DSLR, let’s get a viewfinder that has positive magnification. A 100% or larger viewfinder would be nice.
I’m not in the market for the new APS-C flagship, but I am very interested in the viewfinder, as I expect they will upsize it for the next full frame body.

[Fontan]

Heck, the 36mp files become a monster when doing focus stacking. I have what would have been a mid high end computer when it was built in 2016 with 32gb if ram and I spend a lot of time in swap.

Yup. As nice as K-new seems to be, I am not in the market for that either. Heck - even when new FF comes out, I am not sure if I am upgrading. Bigger and brighter viewfinder would be a great thing but I am pretty satisfied with VF of K-1. I think they did a great job with that.

[Kenn100D]

The way they announced the principles is the same way Ricoh do with the GR. I like what they doing making Pentax a brand of it's own. Take the strong points and build something about it without loosing focus on dream. In this way both Ricoh GR and Pentax Camera will coexist and will cater to a "specific photographer". A lot of people are going back to film and improving more on the craft. (like limiting the shots you take 36 shots a roll and making every shot counts). This is just my take on the announcement. =) Cheers!

[reh321]

I'm looking at what I'm getting from the new 85mm and thinking the body direction is somewhere in the 60-80 mp range. I don't think that lens will have any problems supporting a sensor of that density.

I was thinking more of more APS-C vs FF.

[robbiec]

Heck, the 36mp files become a monster when doing focus stacking. I have what would have been a mid high end computer when it was built in 2016 with 32gb if ram and I spend a lot of time in swap.

That's what AMD Ryzen's or Threadrippers are for Throw 4 or 8 x 16GB sticks in and let 12+ cores munch through the data. NVMe is the game changer in compute space, freeing us up from the Sata6 limitation of 550MB/s to 3000+MB/s with consumer rated TLC drives. Then it's a case of speeding up the import from your cards so a Type C Sdcard reader will help there. Just need Adobe to pull their fingers out with better muktithreaded capabilities with Photoshop & Lightroom. So 60mp files should be no problem

[FozzFoster]

That's what AMD Ryzen's or Threadrippers are for

Threadrippers aren't cheap! for even regular enthusiast!
Really though, I'm handling 20MP files and when I start focus stacking, or using a heavy amount of content-aware/spot removal, or adjustment brushes, my Ryzen 5 1600 with 16GB ram definitely still takes some time to crunch through. I bet the K-1 users have to wait even longer at 36MP and I'm hesitant to think of 50-60MP files. Definitely would need an above-average rig to crunch through those large files.

NVMe is the game changer in compute space, freeing us up from the Sata6 limitation of 550MB/s to 3000+MB/s with consumer rated TLC drives.

Lightening vs. greased lightening. For the average user. Accessing the libraries is nearly the same noticeable performance. Only if you're moving huge libraries around aalllllll the time would you notice a difference :P

Just need Adobe to pull their fingers out with better muktithreaded capabilities

Totally agree! Ryzen 3rd gen is pretty damn good with single thread performances too though would be even better tapping into more threads.

[thibs]

That's what AMD Ryzen's or Threadrippers are for Throw 4 or 8 x 16GB sticks in and let 12+ cores munch through the data. NVMe is the game changer in compute space, freeing us up from the Sata6 limitation of 550MB/s to 3000+MB/s with consumer rated TLC drives. Then it's a case of speeding up the import from your cards so a Type C Sdcard reader will help there. Just need Adobe to pull their fingers out with better muktithreaded capabilities with Photoshop & Lightroom. So 60mp files should be no problem

Agreed 500%

[robbiec]

Threadrippers aren't cheap! for even regular enthusiast!
Really though, I'm handling 20MP files and when I start focus stacking, or using a heavy amount of content-aware/spot removal, or adjustment brushes, my Ryzen 5 1600 with 16GB ram definitely still takes some time to crunch through. I bet the K-1 users have to wait even longer at 36MP and I'm hesitant to think of 50-60MP files. Definitely would need an above-average rig to crunch through those large files.



Lightening vs. greased lightening. For the average user. Accessing the libraries is nearly the same noticeable performance. Only if you're moving huge libraries around aalllllll the time would you notice a difference :P



Totally agree! Ryzen 3rd gen is pretty damn good with single thread performances too though would be even better tapping into more threads.

I spoil myself , My work lab has EPYC or Threadrippers, Home has a Ryzen 9 with RAID0'd Samsung Evo +'s - I bet you'd notice a difference if you dropped a 3600 in lieu of the 1600 though.

Getting back on topic, I've always been a firm believer in speeding up the slowest part of your system for a snappier overall feel, hence NVMe. 36Mp files are in the region of what 50MB in size? so 60 or 80 should be maxing out at 150MB - The biggest problem here is Adobe and not getting on the case with usable GPU offloading or breaking out the threads properly in their codebase. Adobe are one of if not the biggest culprits in not making their software (in this case Photoshop or Lightroom) more multi-threaded and having their code overly Intel optimized.

This was fine pre Ryzen but the goal posts have now changed. Quad core is now bare minimum, Hexa to Octa mainstream and Deca+ will be the norm within 18 months (for non tech heads, apologies - talking core counts Quad = 4, Hexa = 6, Octa = 8 and Deca+ = 10+ cores. Really quick summary of the last 10 years in processors - Intel was / is the 800lb Gorilla, kept mainstream at quad cores - 8+ was HEDT or High End Desktop with a price to match. AMD released their Zen platform 3-4 years ago which has taken 4 cores to up to 16 in the mainstream category, in the High End Desktop, you can get a 64 core monster now and Intel got caught with the hands in the cookie jar )

[er1kksen]

[having skipped the rest of this comment thread]

It's very satisfying to hear a vision like this instead of the same old "become #1 in DSLR/mirrorless market share within the next year" sort of market aggression that's been conventional for camera companies to throw around for the last couple decades.

Pentax/Ricoh has a market and intends to serve it sustainably. Anyone who's paid attention to Ricoh's product strategy over the past several decades should not find that surprising. A company needs to turn a profit to survive, that doesn't mean it needs skyrocketing (and usually unsustainable) growth. "Pentax is doomed" people are usually confused on that point.

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Putting aside the issue of if anybody really need 60-80 mp, the enormity of the file sizes would be a burden for me.

It would be great if as pixel densities keep going up more camera manufacturers would start offering something like a "binned raw" option. A smaller file with probably-higher per-pixel quality at the cost of some resolution and maybe slower write times, with the option to take advantage of full sensor resolution when desired? Sign me up. 10mp is easily sufficient for 95% of what I shoot even when that's the native resolution. On the other hand even 24mp RAW files are a royal pain to deal with when you're making a few hundred on a typical day. Canon's sRAW is along those lines, haven't played with a Canon since the 40D on which sRAW were about 2mp, but the files were actually very usable. The articles I've seen picking apart the ~5mp sRAW files from their ~20mp models from a few years back show actually very good results for the resulting filesizes (not so much the mRAW options), I imagine even better results could be had from higher-res sensors.