What Pentax Values Most in Future Cameras

**ThorSanchez** · 07-21-2020, 04:34 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by rdj92807

As a long time Pentax user, I'm getting pretty frustrated.

Pentax needs to get off their ass and:
- improve their video and stabilization to equal my Samsung 3 year old cell phone
- incorporate AI into their chip like Google and Apple so night pics, etc. look awesome. Why do DSLRs, with the better and larger sensors, not using AI?????????? Utter stupidity IMO.

That's probably not the best way to get Pentaxians to agree with you, but I think you're going to eventually see things like your second point in almost all new camera bodies.

Technological features like IBIS, sensor-shift astrophotography, and several varieties of pixel shift are seen as major selling points for Pentax. To me it's a not a leap, but a small step, to incorporate things such as a pixel-shift-like mode designed specifically for better low light performance.

**Serkevan** · 07-21-2020, 05:04 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

That's probably not the best way to get Pentaxians to agree with you, but I think you're going to eventually see things like your second point in almost all new camera bodies.

Technological features like IBIS, sensor-shift astrophotography, and several varieties of pixel shift are seen as major selling points for Pentax. To me it's a not a leap, but a small step, to incorporate things such as a pixel-shift-like mode designed specifically for better low light performance.

I haven't had the time to properly sit and learn proper astro technique, so if they AutomagicallyTM make it that I point the Astrotracer-enabled K-1 at the sky and blend the pixel-shifted exposures so I don't have to sit at the computer for a while using several programs, I'll be happy.

Fake blur is a massive nope for me, though

Kunzite · 07-21-2020, 05:23 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by phoebus

"OK HAL, I want to take a photo"
"Sorry Dave, I can't let you do that"

'Artificial Intelligence' has emphasis on the 'Artificial' and a miss on the 'Intelligence'. Don't think that's what is hinted at in the video. Better look elsewhere...

Bye!

I'd suggest Huawei, which can make pictures as good as a DSLR

ogl · 07-21-2020, 05:58 AM - **2 Likes**

I'd like to see 24 MP compact and non-expensive FF DSLR from Ricoh in the future.
1. Either breakthrough in digital era - hard durable, AW, simple and small entry-level FF camera like K1000 before.
A lot of photo medias had suggested such idea many times for last years.
2. Or something modern and advanced - smaller version of K-1 with 24 MP - with price 1300-1400 USD. Like Nikon Z5. But DSLR.

**FozzFoster** · 07-21-2020, 06:28 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ogl

1.

Originally posted by ogl

2.

I'd see a decent market within the community for both!

**sbh** · 07-21-2020, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by robbiec

I'm beginning to think that their head of marketing is a bit of a genius. ...
We do Crop and FF and MF, if you want to really experience a pure form of photography try a couple of Limiteds - we actually suggest 3, if you want best of best try the DFA*s. Have fun! And Hai, if you really are into it, take a 645Z for a spin

Agree. To me it looks like they are in for the long run, playing the infinte game. By stating their position and focussing on a limited and well defined area, they can focus their resources and make less but better products. I hope they maintain an attractive lineup of apsc, ff and mf cameras.

Originally posted by rdj92807

As a long time Pentax user, I'm getting pretty frustrated.

Pentax needs to get off their ass and:
- improve their video and stabilization to equal my Samsung 3 year old cell phone
- incorporate AI into their chip like Google and Apple so night pics, etc. look awesome. Why do DSLRs, with the better and larger sensors, not using AI?????????? Utter stupidity IMO.

Not frustrated or calling it stupid, but I'd like to see that as an option. Imho it's part of the digital advantage that shouldn't be left out. Some basics are already there (automatic scene detection and colour enhancement).

Winder · 07-21-2020, 07:04 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

How soon is very?

Sales of mirrored/unmirrored hover around 50/50.....take into account the combination of $ony,Fuji,Oly Panasonic who only sell no mirrored bodies and CaNik sales are mostly with mirrors.Those 2 are not going to stop making Dslrs,they have both diversified to try and bring back the switchers who went to $ony.Z and RF are both being developed reasonably fast,by end of next year there should be around 20 native lenses in each system.After that I'd guess there will be equal development between mirrored/unmirrored from both companies.Perhaps RI may increase their market share by a couple of %,time will tell.

---------- Post added 07-21-20 at 05:29 PM ----------

It was a prelude to tomorrows which will be a lot more specific,lets hope they spill the beans like all the other releases this month.

I would say that in 3 years Ricoh will be #1 in DSLR sales. Canon and Nikon will continue to sell their pro-bodied flagships and abandon the rest of the market in favor of mirrorless options. Ricoh will win a battle of attrition. I still think Nikon is in pretty serious trouble and we could see them fall. The transition to mirrorless is happening faster than they expected and I don't think they were ready.

I don't see Canon or Nikon spending any money to develop DSLRs. They will all but abandon the segment. The only news Nikon has been making over the last couple of years has been bad financial news. If the rumors are true and Canon is abandoning the 5D line then they are basically going all-in on mirrorless. Nikon is just not ready financially to make a big switch.

ogl · 07-21-2020, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by FozzFoster

I'd see a decent market within the community for both!

Pentax KP is 747 USD, K-1II is 1797 USD....The very good price gap to put 24 MP FF and new APS-C advanced model. The upgrade of K-1II could be 2000-2500 USD and I don't see any problem with it.

reh321 · 07-21-2020, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'd suggest Huawei, which can make pictures as good as a DSLR

Perhaps at the focal length that they provide, but software cannot "fix" lens issues.

Kunzite · 07-21-2020, 07:23 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

Perhaps at the focal length that they provide.

That was a quip at Huawei repeatedly using DSLR photos, pretending they were taken with their smartphones.

**Pål Jensen** · 07-21-2020, 08:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

I'd see a decent market within the community for both!

I see none whatsoever....

**ThorSanchez** · 07-21-2020, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I'd like to see 24 MP compact and non-expensive FF DSLR from Ricoh in the future.
1. Either breakthrough in digital era - hard durable, AW, simple and small entry-level FF camera like K1000 before.
A lot of photo medias had suggested such idea many times for last years.

Wouldn't that require a series of hard, durable, AW, and small entry-level FF lenses?

**Pål Jensen** · 07-21-2020, 08:48 AM - **4 Likes**

Small and durable is APS.....

**Fontan** · 07-21-2020, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

Wouldn't that require a series of hard, durable, AW, and small entry-level FF lenses?

I am actually cool with the current size of K-1. It's plenty small enough for me. Fleshing out other features to make it smaller sounds good, but I wonder how much smaller it can get. I agree with you and I would rather that they spend their resources coming up with smaller AW FF lenses. My guess would be the easiest way to go is to make FA ltds AW. Those lenses are definitely small enough for me.

repaap · 07-21-2020, 10:16 AM

I’d think that people who are interested of taking and making that ‘shot’ at evening, or withflashes or...and then know how to/want to learn how to make it really look amazing, don’t really buy ‘flagship DSLR’ to expect it to work like their latest phone. They might buy mirrorless or something like that to get -AI- to die for. Then they have also video which is super well stabilised, to meme them look super professional and every one will be so amazed.

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07-21-2020, 04:34 AM - 2 Likes	#316
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,807	Originally posted by rdj92807 As a long time Pentax user, I'm getting pretty frustrated. Pentax needs to get off their ass and: - improve their video and stabilization to equal my Samsung 3 year old cell phone - incorporate AI into their chip like Google and Apple so night pics, etc. look awesome. Why do DSLRs, with the better and larger sensors, not using AI?????????? Utter stupidity IMO. That's probably not the best way to get Pentaxians to agree with you, but I think you're going to eventually see things like your second point in almost all new camera bodies. Technological features like IBIS, sensor-shift astrophotography, and several varieties of pixel shift are seen as major selling points for Pentax. To me it's a not a leap, but a small step, to incorporate things such as a pixel-shift-like mode designed specifically for better low light performance.

07-21-2020, 05:04 AM - 2 Likes	#317
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by ThorSanchez That's probably not the best way to get Pentaxians to agree with you, but I think you're going to eventually see things like your second point in almost all new camera bodies. Technological features like IBIS, sensor-shift astrophotography, and several varieties of pixel shift are seen as major selling points for Pentax. To me it's a not a leap, but a small step, to incorporate things such as a pixel-shift-like mode designed specifically for better low light performance. I haven't had the time to properly sit and learn proper astro technique, so if they AutomagicallyTM make it that I point the Astrotracer-enabled K-1 at the sky and blend the pixel-shifted exposures so I don't have to sit at the computer for a while using several programs, I'll be happy. Fake blur is a massive nope for me, though

07-21-2020, 05:23 AM - 2 Likes	#318
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by phoebus "OK HAL, I want to take a photo" "Sorry Dave, I can't let you do that" 'Artificial Intelligence' has emphasis on the 'Artificial' and a miss on the 'Intelligence'. Don't think that's what is hinted at in the video. Better look elsewhere... Bye! I'd suggest Huawei, which can make pictures as good as a DSLR

07-21-2020, 05:58 AM - 2 Likes	#319
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	I'd like to see 24 MP compact and non-expensive FF DSLR from Ricoh in the future. 1. Either breakthrough in digital era - hard durable, AW, simple and small entry-level FF camera like K1000 before. A lot of photo medias had suggested such idea many times for last years. 2. Or something modern and advanced - smaller version of K-1 with 24 MP - with price 1300-1400 USD. Like Nikon Z5. But DSLR.

07-21-2020, 06:28 AM - 1 Like	#320
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Originally posted by ogl 1. Originally posted by ogl 2. I'd see a decent market within the community for both!

07-21-2020, 06:38 AM	#321
sbh Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Black Forest, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 852	Originally posted by robbiec I'm beginning to think that their head of marketing is a bit of a genius. ... We do Crop and FF and MF, if you want to really experience a pure form of photography try a couple of Limiteds - we actually suggest 3, if you want best of best try the DFA*s. Have fun! And Hai, if you really are into it, take a 645Z for a spin Agree. To me it looks like they are in for the long run, playing the infinte game. By stating their position and focussing on a limited and well defined area, they can focus their resources and make less but better products. I hope they maintain an attractive lineup of apsc, ff and mf cameras. Originally posted by rdj92807 As a long time Pentax user, I'm getting pretty frustrated. Pentax needs to get off their ass and: - improve their video and stabilization to equal my Samsung 3 year old cell phone - incorporate AI into their chip like Google and Apple so night pics, etc. look awesome. Why do DSLRs, with the better and larger sensors, not using AI?????????? Utter stupidity IMO. Not frustrated or calling it stupid, but I'd like to see that as an option. Imho it's part of the digital advantage that shouldn't be left out. Some basics are already there (automatic scene detection and colour enhancement).

07-21-2020, 07:04 AM - 1 Like	#322
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by surfar How soon is very? Sales of mirrored/unmirrored hover around 50/50.....take into account the combination of $ony,Fuji,Oly Panasonic who only sell no mirrored bodies and CaNik sales are mostly with mirrors.Those 2 are not going to stop making Dslrs,they have both diversified to try and bring back the switchers who went to $ony.Z and RF are both being developed reasonably fast,by end of next year there should be around 20 native lenses in each system.After that I'd guess there will be equal development between mirrored/unmirrored from both companies.Perhaps RI may increase their market share by a couple of %,time will tell. ---------- Post added 07-21-20 at 05:29 PM ---------- It was a prelude to tomorrows which will be a lot more specific,lets hope they spill the beans like all the other releases this month. I would say that in 3 years Ricoh will be #1 in DSLR sales. Canon and Nikon will continue to sell their pro-bodied flagships and abandon the rest of the market in favor of mirrorless options. Ricoh will win a battle of attrition. I still think Nikon is in pretty serious trouble and we could see them fall. The transition to mirrorless is happening faster than they expected and I don't think they were ready. I don't see Canon or Nikon spending any money to develop DSLRs. They will all but abandon the segment. The only news Nikon has been making over the last couple of years has been bad financial news. If the rumors are true and Canon is abandoning the 5D line then they are basically going all-in on mirrorless. Nikon is just not ready financially to make a big switch.

07-21-2020, 07:11 AM	#323
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by FozzFoster I'd see a decent market within the community for both! Pentax KP is 747 USD, K-1II is 1797 USD....The very good price gap to put 24 MP FF and new APS-C advanced model. The upgrade of K-1II could be 2000-2500 USD and I don't see any problem with it.

07-21-2020, 07:22 AM	#324
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,184	Originally posted by Kunzite I'd suggest Huawei, which can make pictures as good as a DSLR Perhaps at the focal length that they provide, but software cannot "fix" lens issues.

07-21-2020, 07:23 AM - 3 Likes	#325
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 Perhaps at the focal length that they provide. That was a quip at Huawei repeatedly using DSLR photos, pretending they were taken with their smartphones.

07-21-2020, 08:23 AM - 1 Like	#326
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by FozzFoster I'd see a decent market within the community for both! I see none whatsoever....

07-21-2020, 08:47 AM	#327
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,807	Originally posted by ogl I'd like to see 24 MP compact and non-expensive FF DSLR from Ricoh in the future. 1. Either breakthrough in digital era - hard durable, AW, simple and small entry-level FF camera like K1000 before. A lot of photo medias had suggested such idea many times for last years. Wouldn't that require a series of hard, durable, AW, and small entry-level FF lenses?

07-21-2020, 08:48 AM - 4 Likes	#328
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Small and durable is APS.....

07-21-2020, 09:34 AM	#329
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Originally posted by ThorSanchez Wouldn't that require a series of hard, durable, AW, and small entry-level FF lenses? I am actually cool with the current size of K-1. It's plenty small enough for me. Fleshing out other features to make it smaller sounds good, but I wonder how much smaller it can get. I agree with you and I would rather that they spend their resources coming up with smaller AW FF lenses. My guess would be the easiest way to go is to make FA ltds AW. Those lenses are definitely small enough for me.

07-21-2020, 10:16 AM	#330
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	I’d think that people who are interested of taking and making that ‘shot’ at evening, or withflashes or...and then know how to/want to learn how to make it really look amazing, don’t really buy ‘flagship DSLR’ to expect it to work like their latest phone. They might buy mirrorless or something like that to get -AI- to die for. Then they have also video which is super well stabilised, to meme them look super professional and every one will be so amazed.