Meet the new flagship

**bobbotron** · 07-22-2020, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by ffking

You have to remember that Pentax exists in a separate universe to the rest of the camera industry - that's what reviewers etc fail to understand

I mean these are two pentax people talking to each other about the brand. I loved the video, but you know, grain of salt and what not. You talk to a person promoting a product, of course their brand is the best. I *do* actually think Pentax gear is class leading in a lot of ways.

Wheatfield · 07-22-2020, 03:03 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by phoebus

Fairly certain my 'silver' MX is chromed brass, not aluminium...

Sand a corner of it and see what color is below the silver color.

**robbiec** · 07-22-2020, 03:07 PM - **2 Likes**

But they were talking about everything except specs. It was the grip, the tactility of switches, the viewfinder, the feedback and sound of the mirror - concepts completely alien to those who have never picked up a recent high end Pentax. Not how many fps, not now many af points, not can I do 4k video. Different universe altogether - we know it will do fantastic stills, no doubting that, we know it will hold onto iq as you go up through the ISO range, we can guess that it will feel amazing in hand and through the ovf purely by the reverence that the interviewer was showing the prototype. All good so far.

**Serkevan** · 07-22-2020, 03:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by robbiec

But they were talking about everything except specs. It was the grip, the tactility of switches, the viewfinder, the feedback and sound of the mirror - concepts completely alien to those who have never picked up a recent high end Pentax. Not how many fps, not now many af points, not can I do 4k video. Different universe altogether - we know it will do fantastic stills, no doubting that, we know it will hold onto iq as you go up through the ISO range, we can guess that it will feel amazing in hand and through the ovf purely by the reverence that the interviewer was showing the prototype. All good so far.

Honestly I'm more interested in the OVF quality than a plus/minus 1 fps or 2 or 3 more megapixels. It's a Pentax APS-C high-grade camera, the KP and K-3 are already excellent, they really cannot go wrong!

normhead · 07-22-2020, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Spodeworld

Here's why I think a movable screen is very important. If you want to take shots from really unusual frames of reference to try to create images with very novel perspectives, such as right from the ground in a way that exaggerates things so they look different than how we normally see them, it is extremely hard to do so without lying on the ground. A movable screen would dramatically simplify it. So, if it's not there, it's a really big disappointment on what appears to be an otherwise very promising camera (at least from the little we saw this morning). It's just hard for me to imagine that in 2020 you could have a flagship camera without one.

---------- Post added 07-22-20 at 03:58 PM ----------

Do you really think at this point that that's the case?

I don't think anything. But I also don't go to the bank with probabilities. Banks don't accept "probable income" they want real money, I don't accept probable camera features. When the specs are announced, I'll agree that's what they are.

**zzaletel** · 07-22-2020, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by AAlfano

For example, Leica never offered an APS-C or full frame DSLR to compete with the big boys (Canon and Nikon), but instead focused on its rangefinder, medium format DSLR, and full frame mirrorless systems. Leica focuses on the experience of using the M models and in particular shooting through the viewfinder. Pentax's marketing is similar in concept.
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }

Not that they didn't try to be creative...
Leica?s DIGITAL-MODUL-R; Powerful, But Pricey Leica SLR Digital Back Arrives | Shutterbug

Biro · 07-22-2020, 03:57 PM - **1 Like**

I'm not too fussy. I just hope the autofocus will be truly competitive and the battery life will be 2-3 times that of the KP.

normhead · 07-22-2020, 04:05 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Biro

I'm not too fussy. I just hope the autofocus will be truly competitive and the battery life will be 2-3 times that of the KP.

It may not be the camera, it may be your technique...
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/203-pentax-kp/378223-pentax-kp-experienc...ml#post5043306

Just saying

**clackers** · 07-22-2020, 04:27 PM - **6 Likes**

Somebody in the Pentaxians Facebook group noticed this about YouTube's automatic caption generating 'service': Very gangsta, that product development executive ...

**monochrome** · 07-22-2020, 04:29 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by robbiec

But they were talking about everything except specs. It was the grip, the tactility of switches, the viewfinder, the feedback and sound of the mirror - concepts completely alien to those who have never picked up a recent high end Pentax. Not how many fps, not now many af points, not can I do 4k video. Different universe altogether - we know it will do fantastic stills, no doubting that, we know it will hold onto iq as you go up through the ISO range, we can guess that it will feel amazing in hand and through the ovf purely by the reverence that the interviewer was showing the prototype. All good so far.

“Just Hold A Pentax” revisited*.

It’s a long-term corporate value, but you have to be fairly old to know that - it was the advertising slogan in the sixties.

* the SV referenced in the linked article is silky smoth and has a sublime shutter. I will always hang onto both of mine and one or two Takumars just so I can take an SV out for a walk now and then.

**bobbotron** · 07-22-2020, 04:31 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by robbiec

But they were talking about everything except specs. It was the grip, the tactility of switches, the viewfinder, the feedback and sound of the mirror - concepts completely alien to those who have never picked up a recent high end Pentax. Not how many fps, not now many af points, not can I do 4k video. Different universe altogether - we know it will do fantastic stills, no doubting that, we know it will hold onto iq as you go up through the ISO range, we can guess that it will feel amazing in hand and through the ovf purely by the reverence that the interviewer was showing the prototype. All good so far.

I really liked these guys talk about this kind of ergonomic stuff, and be so into it. This can get a bit lost with people chasing numbers. My K3 is already an incredible machine... pretty much every camera is these days. I know this was a real "easy pitch" interview, but that stuck with me, these guys really are working on the feel of the body.

Wheatfield · 07-22-2020, 04:38 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by PJ1

Ditto for me. The top and bottom plates, and mount are chromed brass. The back door is steel but I think the frame may be aluminium.

I might stand corrected on that. I was told that something like half a century ago and it stuck with me.

gebco · 07-22-2020, 04:42 PM - **3 Likes**

If it nails the weaving approaching bicycle test maybe DPR will award it a silver.

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

I'm waiting for actual specs, user reviews, & so forth & so on. Hopefully sometime this year.

It's pretty bold of them to claim that this is the most advanced APS-C DSLR camera. I guess we'll see once reviewers & users get their hands on it. I'll be damned if DPR proclaims this as the most amazing APS-C DSLR body EVAR! Hahaha!

One only knows that most review sites will slam this camera even further if it doesn't yield the proclaimed "expectancies".

troika · 07-22-2020, 04:49 PM - **1 Like**

I'm excited about it, even without specs. I came to Pentax for the things they seem to be really talking about as a brand value now, so I'm happy. I don't care about flippy screen, especially if I can tether it to a phone or iPad.

I'd like an AF improvement and I expect that we will see one. I don't have to be better than someone else, because I am not going to jump ship as long as they are staying true to the brand and putting out good products. Honestly, I might not jump ship even if they weren't. I could pick up a used K1 and send my K5 off to get a refresh and probably shoot happily until I die...along with my MX and my Program Plus, of course.

**Serkevan** · 07-22-2020, 05:10 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

It may not be the camera, it may be your technique...
Pentax KP experience... 3 weeks and 3500 clicks later - Page 5 - PentaxForums.com

Just saying

Battery rating is using the pop-up flash every 2 shots and with a standardized test. If you shoot continuously and disable the screen you'll get much higher than the rated value for example. I've gotten anywhere between 200 to 1500 in the K-1.

But the fact is, the KP has a smaller battery - if the power consumption is similar (it should) the K_new should last a good bit longer.

07-22-2020, 03:47 PM	#156
zzaletel Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Alaska Posts: 525	Leica's Digital Modul R would like a word with you... Originally posted by AAlfano For example, Leica never offered an APS-C or full frame DSLR to compete with the big boys (Canon and Nikon), but instead focused on its rangefinder, medium format DSLR, and full frame mirrorless systems. Leica focuses on the experience of using the M models and in particular shooting through the viewfinder. Pentax's marketing is similar in concept. p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Not that they didn't try to be creative... Leica?s DIGITAL-MODUL-R; Powerful, But Pricey Leica SLR Digital Back Arrives \| Shutterbug

07-22-2020, 04:27 PM - 6 Likes	#159
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07-22-2020, 04:29 PM - 4 Likes	#160
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by robbiec But they were talking about everything except specs. It was the grip, the tactility of switches, the viewfinder, the feedback and sound of the mirror - concepts completely alien to those who have never picked up a recent high end Pentax. Not how many fps, not now many af points, not can I do 4k video. Different universe altogether - we know it will do fantastic stills, no doubting that, we know it will hold onto iq as you go up through the ISO range, we can guess that it will feel amazing in hand and through the ovf purely by the reverence that the interviewer was showing the prototype. All good so far. “Just Hold A Pentax” revisited. It’s a long-term corporate value, but you have to be fairly old to know that - it was the advertising slogan in the sixties. the SV referenced in the linked article is silky smoth and has a sublime shutter. I will always hang onto both of mine and one or two Takumars just so I can take an SV out for a walk now and then. Last edited by monochrome; 07-22-2020 at 05:38 PM.

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07-22-2020, 02:40 PM	#151
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,349	Originally posted by ffking You have to remember that Pentax exists in a separate universe to the rest of the camera industry - that's what reviewers etc fail to understand I mean these are two pentax people talking to each other about the brand. I loved the video, but you know, grain of salt and what not. You talk to a person promoting a product, of course their brand is the best. I do actually think Pentax gear is class leading in a lot of ways.

07-22-2020, 03:03 PM - 3 Likes	#152
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by phoebus Fairly certain my 'silver' MX is chromed brass, not aluminium... Sand a corner of it and see what color is below the silver color.

07-22-2020, 03:07 PM - 2 Likes	#153
robbiec Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cork Photos: Albums Posts: 1,882	But they were talking about everything except specs. It was the grip, the tactility of switches, the viewfinder, the feedback and sound of the mirror - concepts completely alien to those who have never picked up a recent high end Pentax. Not how many fps, not now many af points, not can I do 4k video. Different universe altogether - we know it will do fantastic stills, no doubting that, we know it will hold onto iq as you go up through the ISO range, we can guess that it will feel amazing in hand and through the ovf purely by the reverence that the interviewer was showing the prototype. All good so far.

07-22-2020, 03:16 PM - 1 Like	#154
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by robbiec But they were talking about everything except specs. It was the grip, the tactility of switches, the viewfinder, the feedback and sound of the mirror - concepts completely alien to those who have never picked up a recent high end Pentax. Not how many fps, not now many af points, not can I do 4k video. Different universe altogether - we know it will do fantastic stills, no doubting that, we know it will hold onto iq as you go up through the ISO range, we can guess that it will feel amazing in hand and through the ovf purely by the reverence that the interviewer was showing the prototype. All good so far. Honestly I'm more interested in the OVF quality than a plus/minus 1 fps or 2 or 3 more megapixels. It's a Pentax APS-C high-grade camera, the KP and K-3 are already excellent, they really cannot go wrong!

07-22-2020, 03:39 PM	#155
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Spodeworld Here's why I think a movable screen is very important. If you want to take shots from really unusual frames of reference to try to create images with very novel perspectives, such as right from the ground in a way that exaggerates things so they look different than how we normally see them, it is extremely hard to do so without lying on the ground. A movable screen would dramatically simplify it. So, if it's not there, it's a really big disappointment on what appears to be an otherwise very promising camera (at least from the little we saw this morning). It's just hard for me to imagine that in 2020 you could have a flagship camera without one. ---------- Post added 07-22-20 at 03:58 PM ---------- Do you really think at this point that that's the case? I don't think anything. But I also don't go to the bank with probabilities. Banks don't accept "probable income" they want real money, I don't accept probable camera features. When the specs are announced, I'll agree that's what they are.

07-22-2020, 03:57 PM - 1 Like	#157
Biro Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,200	I'm not too fussy. I just hope the autofocus will be truly competitive and the battery life will be 2-3 times that of the KP.

07-22-2020, 04:05 PM - 2 Likes	#158
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Biro I'm not too fussy. I just hope the autofocus will be truly competitive and the battery life will be 2-3 times that of the KP. It may not be the camera, it may be your technique... https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/203-pentax-kp/378223-pentax-kp-experienc...ml#post5043306 Just saying

07-22-2020, 04:31 PM - 4 Likes	#161
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,349	Originally posted by robbiec But they were talking about everything except specs. It was the grip, the tactility of switches, the viewfinder, the feedback and sound of the mirror - concepts completely alien to those who have never picked up a recent high end Pentax. Not how many fps, not now many af points, not can I do 4k video. Different universe altogether - we know it will do fantastic stills, no doubting that, we know it will hold onto iq as you go up through the ISO range, we can guess that it will feel amazing in hand and through the ovf purely by the reverence that the interviewer was showing the prototype. All good so far. I really liked these guys talk about this kind of ergonomic stuff, and be so into it. This can get a bit lost with people chasing numbers. My K3 is already an incredible machine... pretty much every camera is these days. I know this was a real "easy pitch" interview, but that stuck with me, these guys really are working on the feel of the body.

07-22-2020, 04:38 PM - 1 Like	#162
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by PJ1 Ditto for me. The top and bottom plates, and mount are chromed brass. The back door is steel but I think the frame may be aluminium. I might stand corrected on that. I was told that something like half a century ago and it stuck with me.

07-22-2020, 04:42 PM - 3 Likes	#163
gebco Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Winnipeg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 329	If it nails the weaving approaching bicycle test maybe DPR will award it a silver. Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia I'm waiting for actual specs, user reviews, & so forth & so on. Hopefully sometime this year. It's pretty bold of them to claim that this is the most advanced APS-C DSLR camera. I guess we'll see once reviewers & users get their hands on it. I'll be damned if DPR proclaims this as the most amazing APS-C DSLR body EVAR! Hahaha! One only knows that most review sites will slam this camera even further if it doesn't yield the proclaimed "expectancies".

07-22-2020, 04:49 PM - 1 Like	#164
troika Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Seattle, WA USA Posts: 1,753	I'm excited about it, even without specs. I came to Pentax for the things they seem to be really talking about as a brand value now, so I'm happy. I don't care about flippy screen, especially if I can tether it to a phone or iPad. I'd like an AF improvement and I expect that we will see one. I don't have to be better than someone else, because I am not going to jump ship as long as they are staying true to the brand and putting out good products. Honestly, I might not jump ship even if they weren't. I could pick up a used K1 and send my K5 off to get a refresh and probably shoot happily until I die...along with my MX and my Program Plus, of course.

07-22-2020, 05:10 PM - 1 Like	#165
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by normhead It may not be the camera, it may be your technique... Pentax KP experience... 3 weeks and 3500 clicks later - Page 5 - PentaxForums.com Just saying Battery rating is using the pop-up flash every 2 shots and with a standardized test. If you shoot continuously and disable the screen you'll get much higher than the rated value for example. I've gotten anywhere between 200 to 1500 in the K-1. But the fact is, the KP has a smaller battery - if the power consumption is similar (it should) the K_new should last a good bit longer.