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reh321 · 07-24-2020, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

No. This isn't a choice of "details vs lower noise levels". This is a choice between no funky results with a 2D Fourier analysis vs a better image quality.

By the way, I'm not aware of any 2D Fourier analysis showing a loss of detail. And yes, I'm including Bill Claff's work.

What do you mean by “funky results”? My KP always gives me a pleasing rendition of what I pointed it at.

Kunzite · 07-24-2020, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by reh321

What do you mean by “funky results”? My KP always gives me a pleasing rendition of what I pointed it at.

I mean funky results with 2D Fourier analysis, i.e. some formulas giving you some numbers you think they shouldn't.
The image, as I said, is improved.

gatorguy · 07-24-2020, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by reh321

What do you mean by “funky results”? My KP always gives me a pleasing rendition of what I pointed it at.

LOL... Your KP utilizes an "accelerator chip". So does the K-70 and the K1 II. Canon and Nikon have their own versions of it.

**Serkevan** · 07-24-2020, 05:31 AM - **7 Likes**

So if I got the gist of it in the last 5 pages or so, the consensus of the thread is that the camera will have a GPS connected to a fixed smartphone and a tilting accelerator unit.

Cool.

gatorguy · 07-24-2020, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

So if I got the gist of it in the last 5 pages or so, the consensus of the thread is that the camera will have a GPS connected to a fixed smartphone and a tilting accelerator unit.

Cool.

LOL... Thanks for lightening the mood.

I'm just thankful Pentax doesn't seem to be going the way of abandoning lens mounts like some manufacturers are doing.

Parallax · 07-24-2020, 06:19 AM - **5 Likes**

But what about its video capabilities?

mee · 07-24-2020, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by gatorguy

LOL... Thanks for lightening the mood.

I'm just thankful Pentax doesn't seem to be going the way of abandoning lens mounts like some manufacturers are doing.

If they went to a dedicated mirrorless format, they would.

**ThorSanchez** · 07-24-2020, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

The fact is, if you are primarily a telephoto shooter, APS-C makes a lot of sense. I kept my K3 for that reason. I don't do a lot of long telephoto work, but when I do, I would rather use my 400/5.6 than my 600/5.6, for example, or my 600 by itself rather than my 600 and a teleconverter.
At the other end of the spectrum, full frame of larger makes more sense than APS-C if one is shooting short tele to wides. Both formats have their strengths and weaknesses. From the results I have been getting, full frame, ultimately, gives better images, but sometimes it's getting the image first, worrying about ultimate quality second that becomes important.

For me right now shooting sports has become a big deal with two kids in travel soccer. I'll take the slight image degradation from FF to APS-C if it means I can take full advantage of the fastest-focusing telephoto lens in the catalog. Also, most of my landscape work is when I'm traveling, so I very much like lenses like the 15mm LTD and the 21mm LTD, and I just got a nice used copy of the 20-40mm for when it's wet out. I could squeeze more out of a K-1 in some cases, sure, but for me APS-C is the sweet spot.

reh321 · 07-24-2020, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by mee

If they went to a dedicated mirrorless format, they would.

We do not know that they would do that.

They didn't do it for the K-01.

beholder3 · 07-24-2020, 07:04 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Parallax

But what about its video capabilities?

I guess I have to explain the equivalence thing again. In Detail. There still seem to be some pagans who don't understand the unquestionable superiority of FF.

raider · 07-24-2020, 08:14 AM

I watched both part 1 and 2 of the video. Am I correct to say that there is no swivel screen to this new APS-C? I couldn't really tell from the video however.

gatorguy · 07-24-2020, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by raider

I watched both part 1 and 2 of the video. Am I correct to say that there is no swivel screen to this new APS-C? I couldn't really tell from the video however.

There certainly appears not to be. Eventually the "why" will probably be explained by Pentax.

Marktax · 07-24-2020, 08:36 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Class A

One can see a reaction to the viewfinder of the K-new (very bright, very clear).

They used brand-new high-refraction glass for the pentaprism and it is the first time this material -- for which development started in 2017 -- is used in a pentaprism.

The viewfinder is said to be 10% brighter than that of the KP and reduces distortion to a minimum; it is said to be one of the most important features of the new APS-C flagship

The new camera is slimmer than the KP and the use of a joystick for AF point selection is confirmed. Two memory card slots are confirmed as well.

The shutter release button uses the same leaf switch design that was used used in the 645Z and K-1. Normally, they use a more compact mechanism for smaller cameras but managed to use this design -- which allows a smoother release -- in the K-new.

They also maximised the size of the top LCD panel.

A new shutter unit and new mirror-driving mechanism are used to combine to a smooth shooting action, in particular to minimize any impact from the mirror swing-back action.

They want to convince users that in terms of component quality, an APS-C camera can be just as good as an FF camera.

The image sensor and image-processing engine are also new.
There is a new "accelerator unit" as well. Some will like that, some won't. No words on whether its use will be optional this time.

IQ improvements are promised even at ISO 100, due to advanced image-processing.
Again, no words on whether or not these improvements will be optional.

Silver (painted) versions of the following were shown: FA* 70-200, FA* 50, (an FA*85 is planned), K-1 Mark II (probably limited numbers), K-new (will hopefully be released along with the black version, but then the phrasing used "consider", so there is no 100% confirmation).

That's an accurate summary of the information. I'm glad you linked it over at DPR, whose brief notice of the video is cursory, at best.

**bobbotron** · 07-24-2020, 09:07 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Matthew

On the down side, they are still making a song and dance about what colour it is and how it looks. The gear is for taking photos, not for posing with.

I don't mind this. It's not for me, or you, but some people get into this... Let people enjoy it if they're into it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

**ThorSanchez** · 07-24-2020, 09:13 AM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by raider

I watched both part 1 and 2 of the video. Am I correct to say that there is no swivel screen to this new APS-C? I couldn't really tell from the video however.

If you search the forums for "K-new" and "articulated screen" you'll find roughly 4.1 million opinions on the topic.

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07-24-2020, 05:09 AM	#361
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by Kunzite No. This isn't a choice of "details vs lower noise levels". This is a choice between no funky results with a 2D Fourier analysis vs a better image quality. By the way, I'm not aware of any 2D Fourier analysis showing a loss of detail. And yes, I'm including Bill Claff's work. What do you mean by “funky results”? My KP always gives me a pleasing rendition of what I pointed it at.

07-24-2020, 05:12 AM	#362
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 What do you mean by “funky results”? My KP always gives me a pleasing rendition of what I pointed it at. I mean funky results with 2D Fourier analysis, i.e. some formulas giving you some numbers you think they shouldn't. The image, as I said, is improved.

07-24-2020, 05:21 AM	#363
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,094	Originally posted by reh321 What do you mean by “funky results”? My KP always gives me a pleasing rendition of what I pointed it at. LOL... Your KP utilizes an "accelerator chip". So does the K-70 and the K1 II. Canon and Nikon have their own versions of it.

07-24-2020, 05:31 AM - 7 Likes	#364
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	So if I got the gist of it in the last 5 pages or so, the consensus of the thread is that the camera will have a GPS connected to a fixed smartphone and a tilting accelerator unit. Cool.

07-24-2020, 06:12 AM	#365
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,094	Originally posted by Serkevan So if I got the gist of it in the last 5 pages or so, the consensus of the thread is that the camera will have a GPS connected to a fixed smartphone and a tilting accelerator unit. Cool. LOL... Thanks for lightening the mood. I'm just thankful Pentax doesn't seem to be going the way of abandoning lens mounts like some manufacturers are doing.

07-24-2020, 06:23 AM	#367
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by gatorguy LOL... Thanks for lightening the mood. I'm just thankful Pentax doesn't seem to be going the way of abandoning lens mounts like some manufacturers are doing. If they went to a dedicated mirrorless format, they would.

07-24-2020, 06:28 AM	#368
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,807	Originally posted by Wheatfield The fact is, if you are primarily a telephoto shooter, APS-C makes a lot of sense. I kept my K3 for that reason. I don't do a lot of long telephoto work, but when I do, I would rather use my 400/5.6 than my 600/5.6, for example, or my 600 by itself rather than my 600 and a teleconverter. At the other end of the spectrum, full frame of larger makes more sense than APS-C if one is shooting short tele to wides. Both formats have their strengths and weaknesses. From the results I have been getting, full frame, ultimately, gives better images, but sometimes it's getting the image first, worrying about ultimate quality second that becomes important. For me right now shooting sports has become a big deal with two kids in travel soccer. I'll take the slight image degradation from FF to APS-C if it means I can take full advantage of the fastest-focusing telephoto lens in the catalog. Also, most of my landscape work is when I'm traveling, so I very much like lenses like the 15mm LTD and the 21mm LTD, and I just got a nice used copy of the 20-40mm for when it's wet out. I could squeeze more out of a K-1 in some cases, sure, but for me APS-C is the sweet spot.

07-24-2020, 07:00 AM	#369
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by mee If they went to a dedicated mirrorless format, they would. We do not know that they would do that. They didn't do it for the K-01.

07-24-2020, 07:04 AM - 2 Likes	#370
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by Parallax But what about its video capabilities? I guess I have to explain the equivalence thing again. In Detail. There still seem to be some pagans who don't understand the unquestionable superiority of FF.

07-24-2020, 08:14 AM	#371
raider Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,989	I watched both part 1 and 2 of the video. Am I correct to say that there is no swivel screen to this new APS-C? I couldn't really tell from the video however.

07-24-2020, 08:31 AM	#372
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,094	Originally posted by raider I watched both part 1 and 2 of the video. Am I correct to say that there is no swivel screen to this new APS-C? I couldn't really tell from the video however. There certainly appears not to be. Eventually the "why" will probably be explained by Pentax.

07-24-2020, 08:36 AM - 2 Likes	#373
Marktax Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Washington DC Photos: Albums Posts: 610	Originally posted by Class A One can see a reaction to the viewfinder of the K-new (very bright, very clear). They used brand-new high-refraction glass for the pentaprism and it is the first time this material -- for which development started in 2017 -- is used in a pentaprism. The viewfinder is said to be 10% brighter than that of the KP and reduces distortion to a minimum; it is said to be one of the most important features of the new APS-C flagship The new camera is slimmer than the KP and the use of a joystick for AF point selection is confirmed. Two memory card slots are confirmed as well. The shutter release button uses the same leaf switch design that was used used in the 645Z and K-1. Normally, they use a more compact mechanism for smaller cameras but managed to use this design -- which allows a smoother release -- in the K-new. They also maximised the size of the top LCD panel. A new shutter unit and new mirror-driving mechanism are used to combine to a smooth shooting action, in particular to minimize any impact from the mirror swing-back action. They want to convince users that in terms of component quality, an APS-C camera can be just as good as an FF camera. The image sensor and image-processing engine are also new. There is a new "accelerator unit" as well. Some will like that, some won't. No words on whether its use will be optional this time. IQ improvements are promised even at ISO 100, due to advanced image-processing. Again, no words on whether or not these improvements will be optional. Silver (painted) versions of the following were shown: FA* 70-200, FA* 50, (an FA*85 is planned), K-1 Mark II (probably limited numbers), K-new (will hopefully be released along with the black version, but then the phrasing used "consider", so there is no 100% confirmation). That's an accurate summary of the information. I'm glad you linked it over at DPR, whose brief notice of the video is cursory, at best.

07-24-2020, 09:07 AM - 3 Likes	#374
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,349	Originally posted by Matthew On the down side, they are still making a song and dance about what colour it is and how it looks. The gear is for taking photos, not for posing with. I don't mind this. It's not for me, or you, but some people get into this... Let people enjoy it if they're into it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

07-24-2020, 09:13 AM - 5 Likes	#375
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,807	Originally posted by raider I watched both part 1 and 2 of the video. Am I correct to say that there is no swivel screen to this new APS-C? I couldn't really tell from the video however. If you search the forums for "K-new" and "articulated screen" you'll find roughly 4.1 million opinions on the topic.

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