Meet the new flagship

Cambo · 07-24-2020, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

But what about its video capabilities?

I am concerned, as well, about the video capabilities. I don’t see a microphone input on this one, for example, and the microphones on my K3ii are absolutely horrid.

Hopefully they’ve addressed this issue somewhat.

Hopefully they’ve addressed this issue somewhat.

Cheers,
Cameron

Kunzite · 07-24-2020, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Cambo

I am concerned, as well, about the video capabilities. I don’t see a microphone input on this one, for example, and the microphones on my K3ii are absolutely horrid.

Hopefully they’ve addressed this issue somewhat.

Hopefully they’ve addressed this issue somewhat.

Cheers,
Cameron

It should have microphone input and headset output, as inscribed on the port cover.

mee · 07-24-2020, 11:00 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

We do not know that they would do that.

They didn't do it for the K-01.

Sure we do. The physical diameter of the mount would increase, just like every other MILC manfuacturer has done, which allows for faster optics with less fall off and sharper edges. Plus there is the difference in flange focal distance, comparing DSLR to MILC simply because the MILC doesn't have a mirror to raise and lower so it can be significantly smaller.

The K-01 was a K-30 that they sliced the OVF off. It can hardly be called a proper MILC, which is exactly why I used 'dedicated' in my sentence to avoid the comparison with that particular body.

Zygonyx · 07-24-2020, 11:50 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Parallax

But what about its video capabilities?

Actually, no dedicated pentaxian cares.

The ones who cared have left the ship for long ; or they do use professionnally dedicated film devices, because the compromise doesn't make sense unless you stay at a "new-video-bee" stage.

**Cerebum** · 07-24-2020, 11:51 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Actually, no dedicated pentaxian cares.

.I do

Actually, no I dont

surfar · 07-24-2020, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by gatorguy

I'm just thankful Pentax doesn't seem to be going the way of abandoning lens mounts like some manufacturers are doing.

yes, those Q/645 Dodos dont count!

**Fries** · 07-24-2020, 02:12 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Actually, no dedicated pentaxian cares.

The ones who cared have left the ship for long ; or they do use professionnally dedicated film devices, because the compromise doesn't make sense unless you stay at a "new-video-bee" stage.

I do. As a video journalist with a rather old and limited video camera (Sony PMW 100) provided by my employer there are instances where using my Pentax equipment provides a solution too shooting certain scenes I otherwise would not have. You can be a dedicated Pentaxian and care about video. Most certainly when fellow reporters are assigned the iPhone 11 for their work. In contrast using a DSLR and even a Pentax can yield results that are better than modern solutions for my line of payed work.

I know video is not a priority for Pentax and refuse to attack the brand for something they don't advertise as being a priority. My hope is that gradually newer components will find their way in Pentax camera's that have a better video file quality as a side effect. Why? Because the quality of the glass already maskes some of the imperfections of the system for shooting video. Having a good tripod with a good video head, a decent sound solution and a suitable shooting style already goes a long way in getting acceptable results.

thibs · 07-24-2020, 02:14 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Class A

Personally, I couldn't care less what other cameras do with respect to RAW baking. They may or may not do it, it does not concern me, as I'm not using them.

And this is were credibility vanishes.
It's a pity because as much as I find your constant noise (pun intended) about the issue annoying, it doesn't mean you're wrong either. But this comment just kills it. Sad.

reh321 · 07-24-2020, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by mee

Sure we do. The physical diameter of the mount would increase, just like every other MILC manfuacturer has done, which allows for faster optics with less fall off and sharper edges. Plus there is the difference in flange focal distance, comparing DSLR to MILC simply because the MILC doesn't have a mirror to raise and lower so it can be significantly smaller.

The K-01 was a K-30 that they sliced the OVF off. It can hardly be called a proper MILC, which is exactly why I used 'dedicated' in my sentence to avoid the comparison with that particular body.

Pentax has said they are a "K-mount company" which eliminates anything other than a K-01 type camera.

**Fontan** · 07-24-2020, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by gatorguy

There certainly appears not to be. Eventually the "why" will probably be explained by Pentax.

They are going to have to say something about that. It seems like a backward move. K-1 swivel screen is so cool and well made. They may say something along the line of “we want you to discover the joy of our bright OVF when creating your art.” But then why have a live view? I love using the swivel screen, and to me this can well be a deal breaker.

gatorguy · 07-24-2020, 02:52 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

yes, those Q/645 Dodos dont count!

No they don't, and I'm assuming you meant the 67. I'm not aware of a 645 lens mount abandonment.

My current cameras from APS-c to full-frame can all use 40 year old Pentax K-mount lenses as well as the very newest ones without resorting to adapters, and so can the K-new. Can you say the same about recent releases from Canon?

'nuff said.

**c.a.m** · 07-24-2020, 03:03 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by gatorguy

There certainly appears not to be. Eventually the "why" will probably be explained by Pentax.

Originally posted by Fontan

They are going to have to say something about that. It seems like a backward move. K-1 swivel screen is so cool and well made. They may say something along the line of “we want you to discover the joy of our bright OVF when creating your art.” But then why have a live view? I love using the swivel screen, and to me this can well be a deal breaker.

I'm not sure that Ricoh Imaging would feel it necessary to explain the absence of a movable rear screen, but they might discuss the design trade-offs at some point. However, they might feel that such a statement might be inferred as an apology, which they likely would want to avoid.

Similarly, I don't think that the company has explained why they haven't implemented, say, a 10 frames/second shooting mode or a 42 MP (or whatever) sensor implementation. They'll present their camera, highlight the features that they've implemented, and emphasize the new design aspects.

- Craig

**monochrome** · 07-24-2020, 05:49 PM - **3 Likes**

i thought I heard the flippy screen would add depth to the K-new and they strove to make it slimmer than KP.

**DamienW** · 07-24-2020, 07:15 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by monochrome

My cameras and lenses are a random mix of black and silver. The KP looks nice with silver on silver. Otherwise, I don’t care except black lenses on silver bodies. Yuck.

Funny, I actually don't mind black lenses on silver bodies, but I hate silver on black. Silver on silver is fine too.

---------- Post added 07-24-20 at 07:23 PM ----------

So....video performance, FPS, AFS improvements aside...(let's assume that some of this may be disappointing relative to other brands)...

What if...

- This camera has the BEST OVF ever seen on a DSLR? It's a pleasure to look through, and makes one reluctant to even use the screen except for reviewing photographs!

- The shutter/mirror actuation is sublime, beautiful to feel and hear.

- The feeling of the camera, the ergonomics, are just without peer!

What if this camera ticks those boxes, in a market where other brands are falling over themselves to invest in mirrorless? What if a manufacturer, with deep roots in SLR ovf and prism design, produce a DSLR that simply offers the best experience of that ilk, ignoring all of the other numbers used to market modern cameras (lets assume it produces better images than the K-3 or KP, which seems likely)?

I think I would like such a camera, if only for these small points.

**monochrome** · 07-24-2020, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by DamienW

What if...

- This camera has the BEST OVF ever seen on a DSLR? It's a pleasure to look through, and makes one reluctant to even use the screen except for reviewing photographs!

- The shutter/mirror actuation is sublime, beautiful to feel and hear.

- The feeling of the camera, the ergonomics, are just without peer!

What if this camera ticks those boxes, in a market where other brands are falling over themselves to invest in mirrorless? What if a manufacturer, with deep roots in SLR ovf and prism design, produce a DSLR that simply offers the best experience of that ilk, ignoring all of the other numbers used to market modern cameras (lets assume it produces better images than the K-3 or KP, which seems likely)?

I think I would like such a camera, if only for these small points.

I think that’s the camera. There will be sympathetic noises from former Pentax shooters and filmies generally but even they will only “hope they make it work, but -”.

DPR 88 Silver because . . . . . Pentax.

07-24-2020, 09:57 AM	#376
Cambo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,016	I am concerned, as well, about the video capabilities. Originally posted by Parallax But what about its video capabilities? I am concerned, as well, about the video capabilities. I don’t see a microphone input on this one, for example, and the microphones on my K3ii are absolutely horrid. Hopefully they’ve addressed this issue somewhat. Hopefully they’ve addressed this issue somewhat. Cheers, Cameron

07-24-2020, 02:52 PM - 1 Like	#386
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,094	Originally posted by surfar yes, those Q/645 Dodos dont count! No they don't, and I'm assuming you meant the 67. I'm not aware of a 645 lens mount abandonment. My current cameras from APS-c to full-frame can all use 40 year old Pentax K-mount lenses as well as the very newest ones without resorting to adapters, and so can the K-new. Can you say the same about recent releases from Canon? 'nuff said. Last edited by gatorguy; 07-24-2020 at 03:06 PM.

07-24-2020, 07:15 PM - 3 Likes	#389
DamienW Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 847	Originally posted by monochrome My cameras and lenses are a random mix of black and silver. The KP looks nice with silver on silver. Otherwise, I don’t care except black lenses on silver bodies. Yuck. Funny, I actually don't mind black lenses on silver bodies, but I hate silver on black. Silver on silver is fine too. ---------- Post added 07-24-20 at 07:23 PM ---------- So....video performance, FPS, AFS improvements aside...(let's assume that some of this may be disappointing relative to other brands)... What if... - This camera has the BEST OVF ever seen on a DSLR? It's a pleasure to look through, and makes one reluctant to even use the screen except for reviewing photographs! - The shutter/mirror actuation is sublime, beautiful to feel and hear. - The feeling of the camera, the ergonomics, are just without peer! What if this camera ticks those boxes, in a market where other brands are falling over themselves to invest in mirrorless? What if a manufacturer, with deep roots in SLR ovf and prism design, produce a DSLR that simply offers the best experience of that ilk, ignoring all of the other numbers used to market modern cameras (lets assume it produces better images than the K-3 or KP, which seems likely)? I think I would like such a camera, if only for these small points. Last edited by DamienW; 07-24-2020 at 07:24 PM.

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07-24-2020, 10:08 AM	#377
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Cambo I am concerned, as well, about the video capabilities. I don’t see a microphone input on this one, for example, and the microphones on my K3ii are absolutely horrid. Hopefully they’ve addressed this issue somewhat. Hopefully they’ve addressed this issue somewhat. Cheers, Cameron It should have microphone input and headset output, as inscribed on the port cover.

07-24-2020, 11:00 AM - 1 Like	#378
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by reh321 We do not know that they would do that. They didn't do it for the K-01. Sure we do. The physical diameter of the mount would increase, just like every other MILC manfuacturer has done, which allows for faster optics with less fall off and sharper edges. Plus there is the difference in flange focal distance, comparing DSLR to MILC simply because the MILC doesn't have a mirror to raise and lower so it can be significantly smaller. The K-01 was a K-30 that they sliced the OVF off. It can hardly be called a proper MILC, which is exactly why I used 'dedicated' in my sentence to avoid the comparison with that particular body.

07-24-2020, 11:50 AM - 2 Likes	#379
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Parallax But what about its video capabilities? Actually, no dedicated pentaxian cares. The ones who cared have left the ship for long ; or they do use professionnally dedicated film devices, because the compromise doesn't make sense unless you stay at a "new-video-bee" stage.

07-24-2020, 11:51 AM - 1 Like	#380
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,829	Originally posted by Zygonyx Actually, no dedicated pentaxian cares. .I do Actually, no I dont

07-24-2020, 12:14 PM	#381
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Originally posted by gatorguy I'm just thankful Pentax doesn't seem to be going the way of abandoning lens mounts like some manufacturers are doing. yes, those Q/645 Dodos dont count!

07-24-2020, 02:12 PM - 4 Likes	#382
Fries Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gauw Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,582	Originally posted by Zygonyx Actually, no dedicated pentaxian cares. The ones who cared have left the ship for long ; or they do use professionnally dedicated film devices, because the compromise doesn't make sense unless you stay at a "new-video-bee" stage. I do. As a video journalist with a rather old and limited video camera (Sony PMW 100) provided by my employer there are instances where using my Pentax equipment provides a solution too shooting certain scenes I otherwise would not have. You can be a dedicated Pentaxian and care about video. Most certainly when fellow reporters are assigned the iPhone 11 for their work. In contrast using a DSLR and even a Pentax can yield results that are better than modern solutions for my line of payed work. I know video is not a priority for Pentax and refuse to attack the brand for something they don't advertise as being a priority. My hope is that gradually newer components will find their way in Pentax camera's that have a better video file quality as a side effect. Why? Because the quality of the glass already maskes some of the imperfections of the system for shooting video. Having a good tripod with a good video head, a decent sound solution and a suitable shooting style already goes a long way in getting acceptable results.

07-24-2020, 02:14 PM - 3 Likes	#383
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Class A Personally, I couldn't care less what other cameras do with respect to RAW baking. They may or may not do it, it does not concern me, as I'm not using them. And this is were credibility vanishes. It's a pity because as much as I find your constant noise (pun intended) about the issue annoying, it doesn't mean you're wrong either. But this comment just kills it. Sad.

07-24-2020, 02:35 PM	#384
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,184	Originally posted by mee Sure we do. The physical diameter of the mount would increase, just like every other MILC manfuacturer has done, which allows for faster optics with less fall off and sharper edges. Plus there is the difference in flange focal distance, comparing DSLR to MILC simply because the MILC doesn't have a mirror to raise and lower so it can be significantly smaller. The K-01 was a K-30 that they sliced the OVF off. It can hardly be called a proper MILC, which is exactly why I used 'dedicated' in my sentence to avoid the comparison with that particular body. Pentax has said they are a "K-mount company" which eliminates anything other than a K-01 type camera.

07-24-2020, 02:36 PM	#385
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Originally posted by gatorguy There certainly appears not to be. Eventually the "why" will probably be explained by Pentax. They are going to have to say something about that. It seems like a backward move. K-1 swivel screen is so cool and well made. They may say something along the line of “we want you to discover the joy of our bright OVF when creating your art.” But then why have a live view? I love using the swivel screen, and to me this can well be a deal breaker.

07-24-2020, 03:03 PM - 1 Like	#387
c.a.m Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,192	Originally posted by gatorguy There certainly appears not to be. Eventually the "why" will probably be explained by Pentax. Originally posted by Fontan They are going to have to say something about that. It seems like a backward move. K-1 swivel screen is so cool and well made. They may say something along the line of “we want you to discover the joy of our bright OVF when creating your art.” But then why have a live view? I love using the swivel screen, and to me this can well be a deal breaker. I'm not sure that Ricoh Imaging would feel it necessary to explain the absence of a movable rear screen, but they might discuss the design trade-offs at some point. However, they might feel that such a statement might be inferred as an apology, which they likely would want to avoid. Similarly, I don't think that the company has explained why they haven't implemented, say, a 10 frames/second shooting mode or a 42 MP (or whatever) sensor implementation. They'll present their camera, highlight the features that they've implemented, and emphasize the new design aspects. - Craig

07-24-2020, 05:49 PM - 3 Likes	#388
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	i thought I heard the flippy screen would add depth to the K-new and they strove to make it slimmer than KP.

07-24-2020, 07:27 PM	#390
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by DamienW What if... - This camera has the BEST OVF ever seen on a DSLR? It's a pleasure to look through, and makes one reluctant to even use the screen except for reviewing photographs! - The shutter/mirror actuation is sublime, beautiful to feel and hear. - The feeling of the camera, the ergonomics, are just without peer! What if this camera ticks those boxes, in a market where other brands are falling over themselves to invest in mirrorless? What if a manufacturer, with deep roots in SLR ovf and prism design, produce a DSLR that simply offers the best experience of that ilk, ignoring all of the other numbers used to market modern cameras (lets assume it produces better images than the K-3 or KP, which seems likely)? I think I would like such a camera, if only for these small points. I think that’s the camera. There will be sympathetic noises from former Pentax shooters and filmies generally but even they will only “hope they make it work, but -”. DPR 88 Silver because . . . . . Pentax.