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thibs · 07-30-2020, 11:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by phoebus

So how does the DA 18-50 WR RE work then???

HD Pentax-DA 18-50mm F4-5.6 DC WR RE Reviews - DA Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database

Well it doesn't fold into the mount, does it ?

phoebus · 07-30-2020, 11:31 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by thibs

Well it doesn't fold into the mount, does it ?

The point was that you can have WR and RE, contrary to the position that I quoted. And the GR lens mount is buried in the body - there's no mirror to hit. I'm fairly sure that the engineers at Ricoh could find a way of making a WR version of the GR, given time and money. Though I'm happy if they wait until after the Knew and K1next are out...

ogl · 07-30-2020, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by awscreo

I'm not saying you want Fuji, I'm just saying you just described it.

So in your mind, there is no difference between a dslr lens, and a retractable lens?

no difference between any camera's body...

I don't talk about retractable weather sealed lens....only about camera's body now...if they could make weather sealed retractable lens too - it would be good
WR of body is additional protection from dust and moisture

ogl · 07-30-2020, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by thibs

The problem is not the body but the lens.

I could be satisfied with body only...

thibs · 07-30-2020, 11:51 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ogl

I could be satisfied with body only...

But why would the GR IV be marketed as WR (o rAW) if only the body is and not the lens.

thibs · 07-30-2020, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by phoebus

The point was that you can have WR and RE, contrary to the position that I quoted. And the GR lens mount is buried in the body - there's no mirror to hit. I'm fairly sure that the engineers at Ricoh could find a way of making a WR version of the GR, given time and money. Though I'm happy if they wait until after the Knew and K1next are out...

Mmm maybe but retracting to a more compact lens or rectracting into the body (and 'import' the moisture ?) ?
I just can't imagine how they'd do.

awscreo · 07-30-2020, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by ogl

no difference between any camera's body...

I don't talk about retractable weather sealed lens....only about camera's body now...if they could make weather sealed retractable lens too - it would be good
WR of body is additional protection from dust and moisture

but what is the point of the body being weather-sealed, but the lens isn't? There's still a point of entrance for moisture and dust. If there's a point of entrance, they can't legally give it a WR/AW or any other water resistance specification, or they're opening themselves up to a lawsuit.

ogl · 07-30-2020, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by thibs

But why would the GR IV be marketed as WR (o rAW) if only the body is and not the lens.

All DSLR are WR cameras with big hole inside...

ogl · 07-30-2020, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

but what is the point of the body being weather-sealed, but the lens isn't? There's still a point of entrance for moisture and dust. If there's a point of entrance, they can't legally give it a WR/AW or any other water resistance specification, or they're opening themselves up to a lawsuit.

You put FA limited to weather sealed body and it doesn't confuse you, right?

awscreo · 07-30-2020, 12:57 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ogl

You put FA limited to weather sealed body and it doesn't confuse you, right?

but you can take the FA limited off the weather-sealed body, stick a weather-sealed lens, and have a weather-sealed combo. You can't take the lens off GR, hence if you can't call it WR while having the lens non-WR. Makes sense?

thibs · 07-30-2020, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

but you can take the FA limited off the weather-sealed body, stick a weather-sealed lens, and have a weather-sealed combo. You can't take the lens off GR, hence if you can't call it WR while having the lens non-WR. Makes sense?

It does. To me at least xD

house · 07-30-2020, 01:23 PM - **1 Like**

Most GR wishlists are from people who shouldn't use GR cameras and would be better served by other brands.

I understand those who want the flash back.

awscreo · 07-30-2020, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by house

Most GR wishlists are from people who shouldn't use GR cameras and would be better served by other brands.

I understand those who want the flash back.

I liked the gr2 flash as well.. I'm thinking of picking up the lightpix q20 flash, probably the smallest and most convenient option to have that flash back)

ogl · 07-31-2020, 02:39 AM

I can explain my wish about sealing of GR - I think that sealed camera could be more protected from dust than common one.

**Serkevan** · 08-01-2020, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by ogl

All DSLR are WR cameras with big hole inside...

They are... as long as you have a WR lens mounted. Otherwise the camera is explicitly not sealed.

The GR series could potentially be WR but it would be fairly difficult. The required seals would certainly increase the friction a fair bit.

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07-30-2020, 11:20 AM - 1 Like	#31
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by phoebus So how does the DA 18-50 WR RE work then??? HD Pentax-DA 18-50mm F4-5.6 DC WR RE Reviews - DA Zoom Lenses - Pentax Lens Reviews & Lens Database Well it doesn't fold into the mount, does it ?

07-30-2020, 11:31 AM - 1 Like	#32
phoebus Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Buckinghamshire (UK) / Morbihan (FR) Photos: Gallery Posts: 470	Originally posted by thibs Well it doesn't fold into the mount, does it ? The point was that you can have WR and RE, contrary to the position that I quoted. And the GR lens mount is buried in the body - there's no mirror to hit. I'm fairly sure that the engineers at Ricoh could find a way of making a WR version of the GR, given time and money. Though I'm happy if they wait until after the Knew and K1next are out...

07-30-2020, 11:35 AM	#33
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by awscreo I'm not saying you want Fuji, I'm just saying you just described it. So in your mind, there is no difference between a dslr lens, and a retractable lens? no difference between any camera's body... I don't talk about retractable weather sealed lens....only about camera's body now...if they could make weather sealed retractable lens too - it would be good WR of body is additional protection from dust and moisture

07-30-2020, 11:37 AM	#34
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by thibs The problem is not the body but the lens. I could be satisfied with body only...

07-30-2020, 11:51 AM - 1 Like	#35
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by ogl I could be satisfied with body only... But why would the GR IV be marketed as WR (o rAW) if only the body is and not the lens.

07-30-2020, 11:52 AM	#36
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by phoebus The point was that you can have WR and RE, contrary to the position that I quoted. And the GR lens mount is buried in the body - there's no mirror to hit. I'm fairly sure that the engineers at Ricoh could find a way of making a WR version of the GR, given time and money. Though I'm happy if they wait until after the Knew and K1next are out... Mmm maybe but retracting to a more compact lens or rectracting into the body (and 'import' the moisture ?) ? I just can't imagine how they'd do.

07-30-2020, 11:53 AM	#37
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by ogl no difference between any camera's body... I don't talk about retractable weather sealed lens....only about camera's body now...if they could make weather sealed retractable lens too - it would be good WR of body is additional protection from dust and moisture but what is the point of the body being weather-sealed, but the lens isn't? There's still a point of entrance for moisture and dust. If there's a point of entrance, they can't legally give it a WR/AW or any other water resistance specification, or they're opening themselves up to a lawsuit.

07-30-2020, 12:22 PM	#38
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by thibs But why would the GR IV be marketed as WR (o rAW) if only the body is and not the lens. All DSLR are WR cameras with big hole inside...

07-30-2020, 12:24 PM	#39
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by awscreo but what is the point of the body being weather-sealed, but the lens isn't? There's still a point of entrance for moisture and dust. If there's a point of entrance, they can't legally give it a WR/AW or any other water resistance specification, or they're opening themselves up to a lawsuit. You put FA limited to weather sealed body and it doesn't confuse you, right?

07-30-2020, 12:57 PM - 1 Like	#40
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by ogl You put FA limited to weather sealed body and it doesn't confuse you, right? but you can take the FA limited off the weather-sealed body, stick a weather-sealed lens, and have a weather-sealed combo. You can't take the lens off GR, hence if you can't call it WR while having the lens non-WR. Makes sense?

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07-30-2020, 01:09 PM	#41
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by awscreo but you can take the FA limited off the weather-sealed body, stick a weather-sealed lens, and have a weather-sealed combo. You can't take the lens off GR, hence if you can't call it WR while having the lens non-WR. Makes sense? It does. To me at least xD

07-30-2020, 01:23 PM - 1 Like	#42
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Most GR wishlists are from people who shouldn't use GR cameras and would be better served by other brands. I understand those who want the flash back.

07-30-2020, 01:29 PM	#43
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by house Most GR wishlists are from people who shouldn't use GR cameras and would be better served by other brands. I understand those who want the flash back. I liked the gr2 flash as well.. I'm thinking of picking up the lightpix q20 flash, probably the smallest and most convenient option to have that flash back)

07-31-2020, 02:39 AM	#44
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	I can explain my wish about sealing of GR - I think that sealed camera could be more protected from dust than common one.

08-01-2020, 07:56 AM	#45
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by ogl All DSLR are WR cameras with big hole inside... They are... as long as you have a WR lens mounted. Otherwise the camera is explicitly not sealed. The GR series could potentially be WR but it would be fairly difficult. The required seals would certainly increase the friction a fair bit.