Product Stories of New APS-C

**monochrome** · 08-03-2020, 07:09 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

Funny - for me there is no "balance" problem with the KP, even with the smallest available grip. I learned to have my right hand on the body and my left hand on the lens, and even with the 77-420mm {55-300 + 1.4X TC} lens that works fine for me - the left hand just bears a higher proportion of the weight.

Oh Indeed. I’ve held a camera with two hands, just as you describe, since 1969 when I first started taking photographs - with a Spotmatic - for my High School newspaper. I like the KP, but I am more comfortable with shorter, lighter lenses. I’ve started using a monopod with long, heavy lenses and KP.

Originally posted by Serkevan

The KP is still quite chunky and the PLM + TC is a fair bit lighter than the body itself, so I'm not surprised. Now if you were to put a 1 kg+ lens on it that would probably be a different story...

For reference, I've been using a Sigma 400/5.6 (~850g) on my K-1 lately, and it's comfortable. Handholding 400mm is tough because of just how still one has to be, but the weight itself isn't a problem - the center of gravity is still close to the body (of the operator, I mean

)

I think the issues I have holding the FA*80-200/2.8 steady with KP is that large, heavy front element. It is just easier to do with the greater mass and larger grip of the K-1.

**Rondec** · 08-04-2020, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by gaweidert

If one went by camera format usage by members here the thread where you post your K1/K1-II photographs is larger than almost all the other similar threads combined.

If I get the K-New I will probably upgrade from my current DA55-300 to the PLM model too for better autofocus. Battery grip too. Often included in pre-orders so why not? I would prefer a FF camera with the upgraded features, but I doubt it will be out anytime soon. Probably 2022 or later This is merely my guess based upon current rate of new camera model introductions. Being "stuck" with only the K1, K1-II and K3 at the moment is not a bad thing at all.

I think a lot of Pentaxians have upgraded to K-1 or K-1 IIs over time. Many of the people who were really active in the K-5 and K-3 photo threads now post pretty excusively in the K-1 thread.

I have a K-3 and would like to upgrade it at some point. Having the faster frame rate and higher pixel density is nice for telephoto and action photography and even for macro photos with the DFA *100, I don't really see a lot of benefit for full frame over APS-C.

I do hope that next year sees a K-1 III (or whatever they'll call it) come out with many of the same improvements that the K-new will have. Faster frame rate, better auto focus, deeper buffer, generally quicker action. Maybe get the processing of handheld pixel shift down to 5 or 10 seconds. Anyway, just my two cents, I guess...

**Wheatridger** · 08-04-2020, 12:46 PM - **2 Likes**

This new OVF sounds like just what I value in a camera! I'd consider it a possible replacement for my K-1 if it had just one VF feature- a square crop frame option. Please throw in 4:3 for good measure, since at least half my personal photos get cropped that way. Heck, with more than 24 mpx, give me a 1:5 crop frame, too. The best aspect of the K-1 is that it gives me three quick framing options at once. Most mirrorless cameras do this, but it's not a unique capability.

sewebster · 08-04-2020, 09:06 PM - **3 Likes**

Been waiting a while to upgrade my K200D. This might be the time...

Paul the Sunman · 08-04-2020, 09:26 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by sewebster

Been waiting a while to upgrade my K200D. This might be the time...

AB-SOL-UTE-LY! What a contrast that will be.

fsge · 08-05-2020, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by sewebster

Been waiting a while to upgrade my K200D. This might be the time...

a long while... due upgrade indeed

**TwoUptons** · 08-05-2020, 02:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by sewebster

Been waiting a while to upgrade my K200D. This might be the time...

What is this? ISOs above 800 that look fantastic?!

-Eric

ChristianRock · 08-05-2020, 06:14 AM - **1 Like**

Buy the new APS-C and it will be fantastic for many reasons, but I wouldn't sell that K200D... if you appreciate those CCD sensor colors and its look especially at around ISO 100... there's times when you can't get that look anywhere else.

reh321 · 08-05-2020, 06:23 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Buy the new APS-C and it will be fantastic for many reasons, but I wouldn't sell that K200D... if you appreciate those CCD sensor colors and its look especially at around ISO 100... there's times when you can't get that look anywhere else.

No reason to sell anything.

ChristianRock · 08-05-2020, 06:29 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

No reason to sell anything.

Yeah it's not like it would pay even 10% of what the new APS-C will cost, anyway...

sewebster · 08-05-2020, 09:11 AM - **2 Likes**

Don't worry, I won't sell the K200D. Hopefully my kids will use it to learn someday!

MarkJerling · 08-05-2020, 05:14 PM - **7 Likes**

The most interesting bit of print in that article, for me is this line: "Based on this concept, we’re adding a wide range of advanced PENTAX technologies. Our goal is to develop a camera that our users will say is the best PENTAX APS-C-format digital SLR camera ever."

Wide range. I'm really interested to see what surprises they're not talking about yet.

**mhsp1948** · 08-05-2020, 05:30 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MarkJerling

The most interesting bit of print in that article, for me is this line: "Based on this concept, we’re adding a wide range of advanced PENTAX technologies. Our goal is to develop a camera that our users will say is the best PENTAX APS-C-format digital SLR camera ever."

Wide range. I'm really interested to see what surprises they're not talking about yet.

Yes indeed, this is going to be interesting for sure.

shiner · 08-05-2020, 09:23 PM - **1 Like**

I wish Pentax would have a model naming sweepstakes.

Gianclaudio · 08-06-2020, 12:27 AM - **12 Likes**

Originally posted by shiner

I wish Pentax would have a model naming sweepstakes.

If they did, given how we like to act, I'm quite sure the winning name would be:
K-omplain

08-06-2020, 12:27 AM - 12 Likes	#60
Gianclaudio Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Hannover Photos: Gallery Posts: 163	Originally posted by shiner I wish Pentax would have a model naming sweepstakes. If they did, given how we like to act, I'm quite sure the winning name would be: K-omplain Last edited by Gianclaudio; 08-06-2020 at 09:01 AM.

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08-03-2020, 07:09 AM - 4 Likes	#46
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by reh321 Funny - for me there is no "balance" problem with the KP, even with the smallest available grip. I learned to have my right hand on the body and my left hand on the lens, and even with the 77-420mm {55-300 + 1.4X TC} lens that works fine for me - the left hand just bears a higher proportion of the weight. Oh Indeed. I’ve held a camera with two hands, just as you describe, since 1969 when I first started taking photographs - with a Spotmatic - for my High School newspaper. I like the KP, but I am more comfortable with shorter, lighter lenses. I’ve started using a monopod with long, heavy lenses and KP. Originally posted by Serkevan The KP is still quite chunky and the PLM + TC is a fair bit lighter than the body itself, so I'm not surprised. Now if you were to put a 1 kg+ lens on it that would probably be a different story... For reference, I've been using a Sigma 400/5.6 (~850g) on my K-1 lately, and it's comfortable. Handholding 400mm is tough because of just how still one has to be, but the weight itself isn't a problem - the center of gravity is still close to the body (of the operator, I mean ) I think the issues I have holding the FA*80-200/2.8 steady with KP is that large, heavy front element. It is just easier to do with the greater mass and larger grip of the K-1.

08-04-2020, 03:04 AM	#47
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by gaweidert If one went by camera format usage by members here the thread where you post your K1/K1-II photographs is larger than almost all the other similar threads combined. If I get the K-New I will probably upgrade from my current DA55-300 to the PLM model too for better autofocus. Battery grip too. Often included in pre-orders so why not? I would prefer a FF camera with the upgraded features, but I doubt it will be out anytime soon. Probably 2022 or later This is merely my guess based upon current rate of new camera model introductions. Being "stuck" with only the K1, K1-II and K3 at the moment is not a bad thing at all. I think a lot of Pentaxians have upgraded to K-1 or K-1 IIs over time. Many of the people who were really active in the K-5 and K-3 photo threads now post pretty excusively in the K-1 thread. I have a K-3 and would like to upgrade it at some point. Having the faster frame rate and higher pixel density is nice for telephoto and action photography and even for macro photos with the DFA *100, I don't really see a lot of benefit for full frame over APS-C. I do hope that next year sees a K-1 III (or whatever they'll call it) come out with many of the same improvements that the K-new will have. Faster frame rate, better auto focus, deeper buffer, generally quicker action. Maybe get the processing of handheld pixel shift down to 5 or 10 seconds. Anyway, just my two cents, I guess...

08-04-2020, 12:46 PM - 2 Likes	#48
Wheatridger Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Colorado Front Range Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 644	This new OVF sounds like just what I value in a camera! I'd consider it a possible replacement for my K-1 if it had just one VF feature- a square crop frame option. Please throw in 4:3 for good measure, since at least half my personal photos get cropped that way. Heck, with more than 24 mpx, give me a 1:5 crop frame, too. The best aspect of the K-1 is that it gives me three quick framing options at once. Most mirrorless cameras do this, but it's not a unique capability.

08-04-2020, 09:06 PM - 3 Likes	#49
sewebster Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery Posts: 544	Been waiting a while to upgrade my K200D. This might be the time...

08-04-2020, 09:26 PM - 2 Likes	#50
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,843	Originally posted by sewebster Been waiting a while to upgrade my K200D. This might be the time... AB-SOL-UTE-LY! What a contrast that will be.

08-05-2020, 01:50 AM	#51
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by sewebster Been waiting a while to upgrade my K200D. This might be the time... a long while... due upgrade indeed

08-05-2020, 02:30 AM - 1 Like	#52
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,213	Originally posted by sewebster Been waiting a while to upgrade my K200D. This might be the time... What is this? ISOs above 800 that look fantastic?! -Eric

08-05-2020, 06:14 AM - 1 Like	#53
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Buy the new APS-C and it will be fantastic for many reasons, but I wouldn't sell that K200D... if you appreciate those CCD sensor colors and its look especially at around ISO 100... there's times when you can't get that look anywhere else.

08-05-2020, 06:23 AM - 3 Likes	#54
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by ChristianRock Buy the new APS-C and it will be fantastic for many reasons, but I wouldn't sell that K200D... if you appreciate those CCD sensor colors and its look especially at around ISO 100... there's times when you can't get that look anywhere else. No reason to sell anything.

08-05-2020, 06:29 AM - 1 Like	#55
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by reh321 No reason to sell anything. Yeah it's not like it would pay even 10% of what the new APS-C will cost, anyway...

08-05-2020, 09:11 AM - 2 Likes	#56
sewebster Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery Posts: 544	Don't worry, I won't sell the K200D. Hopefully my kids will use it to learn someday!

08-05-2020, 05:14 PM - 7 Likes	#57
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	The most interesting bit of print in that article, for me is this line: *"Based on this concept, we’re adding a wide range of advanced PENTAX technologies. Our goal is to develop a camera that our users will say is the best PENTAX APS-C-format digital SLR camera ever."* Wide range. I'm really interested to see what surprises they're not talking about yet.

08-05-2020, 05:30 PM - 1 Like	#58
mhsp1948 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Mississippi Photos: Gallery Posts: 617	Originally posted by MarkJerling The most interesting bit of print in that article, for me is this line: *"Based on this concept, we’re adding a wide range of advanced PENTAX technologies. Our goal is to develop a camera that our users will say is the best PENTAX APS-C-format digital SLR camera ever."* Wide range. I'm really interested to see what surprises they're not talking about yet. Yes indeed, this is going to be interesting for sure.

08-05-2020, 09:23 PM - 1 Like	#59
shiner Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N GA USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,127	I wish Pentax would have a model naming sweepstakes.