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**jatrax** · 09-04-2020, 10:29 AM

Flippy screen will be in the K-newII.

**Larrymc** · 09-04-2020, 10:40 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Serkevan

The problem is that there is also a lot of pontificating about how unneeded the flippy screen is (with a good deal of what can best be summarized as "smartphones lol") and how any complaint is almost brand heresy.

The unneeded pontificating usually comes after the flippy screen pontificators have been pontificating about the lack of a flippy screen.

I've never read a post or thread that anyone has started from the so-called unneeded screen pontificators, all of this is started by the pro-flippy screen pontificators and then it all goes down hill.

Originally posted by Serkevan

Honestly it's getting tiring, from both sides. I'm out of anything regarding the K-New.

Nah, you can't resist all of this.

**Larrymc** · 09-04-2020, 10:41 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by jatrax

Flippy screen will be in the K-newII.

But then it won't be the "right" kind of flippy screen, so more complaints will happen.

ogl · 09-04-2020, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

You're not responding to the question. You're not part of the potential market, which is fine except you want this camera to fail, while talking as if you are part of the potential market.

that's my business and you can't draw any conclusions about me. it's none of your business. I don't want to make any explanation to you personally about my wish, budget and plans...I take your questions and conclusions as personal insulting attack on me. I know almost nothing about K-new and can't make any conclusion if the camera is really good or not...
to say honest I don't care about it all...I just say that fixed LCD is no good move from manufacturer for top camera. that's all and it's absolutely normal. except me, there are other Pentax users that think in the same way....

Last edited by ogl; 09-04-2020 at 10:53 AM.

Kunzite · 09-04-2020, 11:01 AM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by ogl

that's my business and you can't draw any conclusions about me. it's none of your business. I don't want to make any explanation to you personally about my wish, budget and plans...I take your questions and conclusions as personal insulting attack on me. I know almost nothing about K-new and can't make any conclusion if the camera is really good or not...
to say honest I don't care about it all...I just say that fixed LCD is no good move from manufacturer for top camera. that's all and it's absolutely normal. except me, there are other Pentax users that think in the same way....

No insult intended. As I said, not buying a product is perfectly fine. You appeared to speak from behalf of potential buyers though.

The problem is, you already decided the camera is no good, a market failure etc. - while, as you admit, you know almost nothing about it.
But, can't you see it? I explained in a past post: an articulated screen isn't the problem this new APS-C flagship has to solve. Performance is.
As long as there's a substantial enough performance improvement, my guess is that it's fixed screen would be largely ignored by the actual market.

ogl · 09-04-2020, 11:04 AM - **1 Like**

I want to buy K-new very much. Is it OK? I want to know only one thing - will AF system reach D7500 or not. All the rest I don't care....

**FozzFoster** · 09-04-2020, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by ogl

There are only three players at DSLR market...

Originally posted by ogl

What else? The rest are mirrorless cameras...

Hadn't the other players essentially left the dSLR market? Didn't they state that they won't make dSLR mount bodies/lenses anymore?
Sounds like there is only one prominent leader in the dSLR market, imo

**jatrax** · 09-04-2020, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Hadn't the other players essentially left the dSLR market?

Even buggy whips are still made:
Westfield Whip

Lord Lucan · 09-04-2020, 12:33 PM - **3 Likes**

Well, it will have a fixed screen :-

Product Stories of New APS-C Vol.3?Wakashiro? | PENTAX official

The primary reason given is that it allows the body to be thinner and lighter. A secondary reason, one more of principle, is that Pentax majors on optical viewfinders so the type of screen is of lesser importance. These reasons are fair enough.

But other reasons are given which are more questionable. One is that it allows a larger screen, which contradicts the idea that the screen is of lesser importance. Another is that it allows a projecting eyepiece, but they could have done that anyway, and does that not add to the overall body thickness? Another is that it allows the camera body to be made "sturdy", but there are many ways to make something stronger and reducing the body depth is not the first one that springs to mind.

Moreover, my old Pentax LX also majored on its optical viewfinder because that is all it had, but in its case you could get a waist-level finder, and I did, and I use it. I doubt the K-new will offer one.

I won't be getting a K-new but my concern is that Pentax's future is partly riding on it, and the "influencers" like DPReview, Tony Northrop, Kai W, etc are going to crucify the K-new for not having even a tilt screen. There is going to be a bloodbath. You might not attach much weight to what those guys say, and I don't, but unfortunately many other people out there do listen to them and lap up (and repeat) what they say.

**NZ_Ross** · 09-04-2020, 12:52 PM

Well, fixed screen - that settles that debate.

**FozzFoster** · 09-04-2020, 01:02 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Lord Lucan

But other reasons are given which are more questionable.

I've noticed another somewhat contrary fact..

In this 3rd product story, they say the K-1 was given a flippy screen 'cause they expected it would be frequently mounted on a tripod, suggesting the new APS-C would less frequently be mounted on a tripod..
But Pentax just released the a DA* 11-18mm f/2.8 - designed for crop bodies AND has a special notch to hold a lens element warmer during astrophotography which necessitates a tripod...

Flubber · 09-04-2020, 01:03 PM - **5 Likes**

It would be a sad day if camera companies were only releasing cameras based on what DPReview, Tony Northrup et al. wanted, or what the mainstream market dictates. Different strokes for different folks - fortunately.

As a prospective buyer of this camera, I can tell you that I'm all in and that I am going to buy this camera, and the screen "issue" makes zero difference to me. So there will be buyers out there for the camera. I know I am not alone.

**jumbleview** · 09-04-2020, 01:04 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Lord Lucan

Well, it will have a fixed screen :-

Product Stories of New APS-C Vol.3?Wakashiro? | PENTAX official

Moreover, my old Pentax LX also majored on its optical viewfinder because that is all it had, but in its case you could get a waist-level finder, and I did, and I use it. I doubt the K-new will offer one.

I probably will buy K-new sooner or later but meanwhile are there any suitable old/used waist-level finder for Pentax K5II?

MJKoski · 09-04-2020, 01:05 PM

Funny reasons for not having K-1 mechanism right there. First of, bigger screen is nonsense if it cannot be watched properly. And snapping a neck or two to see properly is not going to help. They even recently released new 11-18mm pro zoom which is usually used from low angle. Gosh. To have a proper large screen means the whole backside should be covered by one and that requires lot more height and mass for the camera body to reach 3:2 ratio. Few fractions of an inch is not going to make a small screen any better.

**FozzFoster** · 09-04-2020, 01:06 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Flubber

I know I am not alone.

I'm ready to make a pre-order as soon as available

09-04-2020, 12:33 PM - 3 Likes	#174
Lord Lucan Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: South Wales Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,979	Well, it will have a fixed screen :- Product Stories of New APS-C Vol.3?Wakashiro? \| PENTAX official The primary reason given is that it allows the body to be thinner and lighter. A secondary reason, one more of principle, is that Pentax majors on optical viewfinders so the type of screen is of lesser importance. These reasons are fair enough. But other reasons are given which are more questionable. One is that it allows a larger screen, which contradicts the idea that the screen is of lesser importance. Another is that it allows a projecting eyepiece, but they could have done that anyway, and does that not add to the overall body thickness? Another is that it allows the camera body to be made "sturdy", but there are many ways to make something stronger and reducing the body depth is not the first one that springs to mind. Moreover, my old Pentax LX also majored on its optical viewfinder because that is all it had, but in its case you could get a waist-level finder, and I did, and I use it. I doubt the K-new will offer one. I won't be getting a K-new but my concern is that Pentax's future is partly riding on it, and the "influencers" like DPReview, Tony Northrop, Kai W, etc are going to crucify the K-new for not having even a tilt screen. There is going to be a bloodbath. You might not attach much weight to what those guys say, and I don't, but unfortunately many other people out there do listen to them and lap up (and repeat) what they say. Last edited by Lord Lucan; 09-04-2020 at 12:36 PM. Reason: Tpyo

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09-04-2020, 10:29 AM	#166
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Flippy screen will be in the K-newII.

09-04-2020, 10:40 AM - 2 Likes	#167
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Serkevan The problem is that there is also a lot of pontificating about how unneeded the flippy screen is (with a good deal of what can best be summarized as "smartphones lol") and how any complaint is almost brand heresy. The unneeded pontificating usually comes after the flippy screen pontificators have been pontificating about the lack of a flippy screen. I've never read a post or thread that anyone has started from the so-called unneeded screen pontificators, all of this is started by the pro-flippy screen pontificators and then it all goes down hill. Originally posted by Serkevan Honestly it's getting tiring, from both sides. I'm out of anything regarding the K-New. Nah, you can't resist all of this.

09-04-2020, 10:41 AM - 4 Likes	#168
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by jatrax Flippy screen will be in the K-newII. But then it won't be the "right" kind of flippy screen, so more complaints will happen.

09-04-2020, 10:44 AM	#169
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Kunzite You're not responding to the question. You're not part of the potential market, which is fine except you want this camera to fail, while talking as if you are part of the potential market. that's my business and you can't draw any conclusions about me. it's none of your business. I don't want to make any explanation to you personally about my wish, budget and plans...I take your questions and conclusions as personal insulting attack on me. I know almost nothing about K-new and can't make any conclusion if the camera is really good or not... to say honest I don't care about it all...I just say that fixed LCD is no good move from manufacturer for top camera. that's all and it's absolutely normal. except me, there are other Pentax users that think in the same way.... Last edited by ogl; 09-04-2020 at 10:53 AM.

09-04-2020, 11:01 AM - 5 Likes	#170
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ogl that's my business and you can't draw any conclusions about me. it's none of your business. I don't want to make any explanation to you personally about my wish, budget and plans...I take your questions and conclusions as personal insulting attack on me. I know almost nothing about K-new and can't make any conclusion if the camera is really good or not... to say honest I don't care about it all...I just say that fixed LCD is no good move from manufacturer for top camera. that's all and it's absolutely normal. except me, there are other Pentax users that think in the same way.... No insult intended. As I said, not buying a product is perfectly fine. You appeared to speak from behalf of potential buyers though. The problem is, you already decided the camera is no good, a market failure etc. - while, as you admit, you know almost nothing about it. But, can't you see it? I explained in a past post: an articulated screen isn't the problem this new APS-C flagship has to solve. Performance is. As long as there's a substantial enough performance improvement, my guess is that it's fixed screen would be largely ignored by the actual market.

09-04-2020, 11:04 AM - 1 Like	#171
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	I want to buy K-new very much. Is it OK? I want to know only one thing - will AF system reach D7500 or not. All the rest I don't care....

09-04-2020, 11:08 AM	#172
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Originally posted by ogl There are only three players at DSLR market... Originally posted by ogl What else? The rest are mirrorless cameras... Hadn't the other players essentially left the dSLR market? Didn't they state that they won't make dSLR mount bodies/lenses anymore? Sounds like there is only one prominent leader in the dSLR market, imo

09-04-2020, 12:04 PM	#173
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by FozzFoster Hadn't the other players essentially left the dSLR market? Even buggy whips are still made: Westfield Whip

09-04-2020, 12:52 PM	#175
NZ_Ross Kiwi Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Timaru Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,225	Well, fixed screen - that settles that debate.

09-04-2020, 01:02 PM - 4 Likes	#176
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Originally posted by Lord Lucan But other reasons are given which are more questionable. I've noticed another somewhat contrary fact.. In this 3rd product story, they say the K-1 was given a flippy screen 'cause they expected it would be frequently mounted on a tripod, suggesting the new APS-C would less frequently be mounted on a tripod.. But Pentax just released the a DA* 11-18mm f/2.8 - designed for crop bodies AND has a special notch to hold a lens element warmer during astrophotography which necessitates a tripod...

09-04-2020, 01:03 PM - 5 Likes	#177
Flubber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 150	It would be a sad day if camera companies were only releasing cameras based on what DPReview, Tony Northrup et al. wanted, or what the mainstream market dictates. Different strokes for different folks - fortunately. As a prospective buyer of this camera, I can tell you that I'm all in and that I am going to buy this camera, and the screen "issue" makes zero difference to me. So there will be buyers out there for the camera. I know I am not alone.

09-04-2020, 01:04 PM - 1 Like	#178
jumbleview Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Concord, CA Posts: 1,070	Originally posted by Lord Lucan Well, it will have a fixed screen :- Product Stories of New APS-C Vol.3?Wakashiro? \| PENTAX official Moreover, my old Pentax LX also majored on its optical viewfinder because that is all it had, but in its case you could get a waist-level finder, and I did, and I use it. I doubt the K-new will offer one. I probably will buy K-new sooner or later but meanwhile are there any suitable old/used waist-level finder for Pentax K5II?

09-04-2020, 01:05 PM	#179
MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	Funny reasons for not having K-1 mechanism right there. First of, bigger screen is nonsense if it cannot be watched properly. And snapping a neck or two to see properly is not going to help. They even recently released new 11-18mm pro zoom which is usually used from low angle. Gosh. To have a proper large screen means the whole backside should be covered by one and that requires lot more height and mass for the camera body to reach 3:2 ratio. Few fractions of an inch is not going to make a small screen any better.

09-04-2020, 01:06 PM - 1 Like	#180
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Originally posted by Flubber I know I am not alone. I'm ready to make a pre-order as soon as available