R03010 = K-new was registered by FCC on 27 July 2020

Class A · 07-31-2020, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

(...there is no sounding the depth of Pentax fan desires...)

The 802.11ac standard is about eight years old.

I don't think it is a sign of impatience if one expects standards that old to be implemented. The WiFi transfer speeds are woefully slow and essentially turn the associated apps into glorified remote controllers. I really appreciate the functionality that already exists, but wouldn't it be nice if one could transfer image files more quickly?

Perhaps the ultimate cause for the slow transfer speeds have been other hardware components, in which case the K-new could be faster than existing models.

Last edited by Class A; 07-31-2020 at 08:19 AM.

SSGGeezer · 07-31-2020, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by ogl

could we use this date as release date? and why?

That date seems to be when they don't need to protect the specific details in the patent since the camera will be out in the wild before that date. (Or is expected to be out and for sale by that date.)

ogl · 07-31-2020, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

That is the K-3II battery.

Steve

? I don't catch

stevebrot · 07-31-2020, 08:19 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Class A

The 802.11ac standard is about eight years old.

I don't think it is a sign of impatience if one expects standards that old to be implemented. The WiFi transfer speeds are woefully slow and essentially turn the associated apps into glorified remote controllers. I really appreciate the functionality that already exists, but wouldn't it be nice if one could transfer image files more quickly?

True...I was commenting in regards to the FF-new speculation...

Steve

JPT · 07-31-2020, 08:37 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Class A

The 802.11ac standard is about eight years old.

I don't think it is a sign of impatience if one expects standards that old to be implemented. The WiFi transfer speeds are woefully slow and essentially turn the associated apps into glorified remote controllers. I really appreciate the functionality that already exists, but wouldn't it be nice if one could transfer image files more quickly?

Perhaps the ultimate cause for the slow transfer speeds have been other hardware components, in which case the K-new could be faster than existing models.

Both the GR II and GR III had b/g/n wireless, but the GR III transfers images about 5 times quicker according to Ricoh. At some point they had a comparison video but I don't recall where it was. In my experience, the GR III will transfer a 24mp JPEG to an iPhone 7 in about a second. I think that's pretty respectable. Anyway, it's got to be a lot better than the weird Flucard solution that the K-3 had to rely on.

Mistral75 · 07-31-2020, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Ooops. A mistake to call it the same as the KP grip.

(...)

D-BG = Digital Battery Grip.

Then D-BG1 (*ist D), D-BG2 (K10D/K20D), D-BG3 (K200D), D-BG4 (K7/K-5), D-BG5 (K-3), D-BG6 (K-1), D-BG7 (KP), D-BG8 (KNEW).

Mistral75 · 07-31-2020, 09:02 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

I believe that is the date that the FCC needs to keep documentation related to the camera confidental. Not necessarily the release date of the camera. The FCC application for the GRIII listed a confidentiality release date of 4/30/2019, while the camera itself was released/shipped on March 18th. So a 24 January 2021 date for K-new could still mean a release prior to Christmas.

Originally posted by ogl

could we use this date as release date? and why?

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

That date seems to be when they don't need to protect the specific details in the patent since the camera will be out in the wild before that date. (Or is expected to be out and for sale by that date.)

(Short-term) confidentiality release date = certification date + 180 days. That's the FCC rule for the items which are temporarily confidential (e.g. pictures and user manual).

27 July 2020 ==> 24 January 2021.

**FozzFoster** · 07-31-2020, 09:16 AM

Thank you for posting!

Not a Number · 07-31-2020, 09:24 AM

I asked in a similar thread on the timing of the actual release following such filings. As I recall if varied from several weeks to several months. But the good news is the camera is either in the production phase or very close to it.

**FozzFoster** · 07-31-2020, 09:24 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Class A

The WiFi transfer speeds are woefully slow and essentially turn the associated apps into glorified remote controllers.

But K-New is the first with bluetooth.. right? Bluetooth transfer speeds are much faster (albeit with lesser bandwidth than wifi, I think).
Maybe they are going to release their own snapbridge or whatever Nikon/Canon are doing.

Zygonyx · 07-31-2020, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by ogl

? I don't catch

DLi90 is the highest powered Pentax Battery.
Found since K-5 in all the APS-C (incl. K01 but excl. K-P), FF and MF flagships.
So not a surprise for K-2 in this respect.

**FozzFoster** · 07-31-2020, 09:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Zygonyx

K-2

I gotta feeling it might be K-C...
Or maybe the Pentax-C
Centennial.. roman numeral for 100...
They released the LX for the 60 year anniversary to compete against the Nikon/Canon pro market...

Mistral75 · 07-31-2020, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Not a Number

I asked in a similar thread on the timing of the actual release following such filings. As I recall if varied from several weeks to several months. But the good news is the camera is either in the production phase very close to it.

Receipt Date : May 25, 2020
Country of Mass-production : Philippines
Condition : Production model / Production prototype / Engineering prototype (Not for Sale: This sample is equivalent to mass-produced items.)

Source: R03010 DIGITAL CAMERA Test Report 03 FCC _DTS RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, .

**boriscleto** · 07-31-2020, 09:35 AM - **8 Likes**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

I gotta feeling it might be K-C...
Or maybe the Pentax-C
Centennial.. roman numeral for 100...
They released the LX for the 60 year anniversary to compete against the Nikon/Canon pro market...

And the Sunshine Band...

But how is that going to work with SR?

Youtu.be

**FozzFoster** · 07-31-2020, 09:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by boriscleto

But how is that going to work with SR?

haha would be a great marketing tool for the new 7-axis SR III that will be announced....

07-31-2020, 09:24 AM	#24
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	I asked in a similar thread on the timing of the actual release following such filings. As I recall if varied from several weeks to several months. But the good news is the camera is either in the production phase or very close to it. Last edited by Not a Number; 07-31-2020 at 09:39 AM. Reason: missing "or"

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07-31-2020, 08:10 AM	#16
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by stevebrot (...there is no sounding the depth of Pentax fan desires...) The 802.11ac standard is about eight years old. I don't think it is a sign of impatience if one expects standards that old to be implemented. The WiFi transfer speeds are woefully slow and essentially turn the associated apps into glorified remote controllers. I really appreciate the functionality that already exists, but wouldn't it be nice if one could transfer image files more quickly? Perhaps the ultimate cause for the slow transfer speeds have been other hardware components, in which case the K-new could be faster than existing models. Last edited by Class A; 07-31-2020 at 08:19 AM.

07-31-2020, 08:11 AM	#17
SSGGeezer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Indiana, U.S. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,845	Originally posted by ogl could we use this date as release date? and why? That date seems to be when they don't need to protect the specific details in the patent since the camera will be out in the wild before that date. (Or is expected to be out and for sale by that date.)

07-31-2020, 08:19 AM	#18
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by stevebrot That is the K-3II battery. Steve ? I don't catch

07-31-2020, 08:19 AM - 1 Like	#19
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Class A The 802.11ac standard is about eight years old. I don't think it is a sign of impatience if one expects standards that old to be implemented. The WiFi transfer speeds are woefully slow and essentially turn the associated apps into glorified remote controllers. I really appreciate the functionality that already exists, but wouldn't it be nice if one could transfer image files more quickly? True...I was commenting in regards to the FF-new speculation... Steve

07-31-2020, 08:37 AM - 2 Likes	#20
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by Class A The 802.11ac standard is about eight years old. I don't think it is a sign of impatience if one expects standards that old to be implemented. The WiFi transfer speeds are woefully slow and essentially turn the associated apps into glorified remote controllers. I really appreciate the functionality that already exists, but wouldn't it be nice if one could transfer image files more quickly? Perhaps the ultimate cause for the slow transfer speeds have been other hardware components, in which case the K-new could be faster than existing models. Both the GR II and GR III had b/g/n wireless, but the GR III transfers images about 5 times quicker according to Ricoh. At some point they had a comparison video but I don't recall where it was. In my experience, the GR III will transfer a 24mp JPEG to an iPhone 7 in about a second. I think that's pretty respectable. Anyway, it's got to be a lot better than the weird Flucard solution that the K-3 had to rely on.

07-31-2020, 08:58 AM	#21
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by rawr Ooops. A mistake to call it the same as the KP grip. (...) D-BG = Digital Battery Grip. Then D-BG1 (*ist D), D-BG2 (K10D/K20D), D-BG3 (K200D), D-BG4 (K7/K-5), D-BG5 (K-3), D-BG6 (K-1), D-BG7 (KP), D-BG8 (KNEW).

07-31-2020, 09:02 AM - 2 Likes	#22
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by ThorSanchez I believe that is the date that the FCC needs to keep documentation related to the camera confidental. Not necessarily the release date of the camera. The FCC application for the GRIII listed a confidentiality release date of 4/30/2019, while the camera itself was released/shipped on March 18th. So a 24 January 2021 date for K-new could still mean a release prior to Christmas. Originally posted by ogl could we use this date as release date? and why? Originally posted by SSGGeezer That date seems to be when they don't need to protect the specific details in the patent since the camera will be out in the wild before that date. (Or is expected to be out and for sale by that date.) (Short-term) confidentiality release date = certification date + 180 days. That's the FCC rule for the items which are temporarily confidential (e.g. pictures and user manual). 27 July 2020 ==> 24 January 2021.

07-31-2020, 09:16 AM	#23
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Thank you for posting!

07-31-2020, 09:24 AM - 2 Likes	#25
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by Class A The WiFi transfer speeds are woefully slow and essentially turn the associated apps into glorified remote controllers. But K-New is the first with bluetooth.. right? Bluetooth transfer speeds are much faster (albeit with lesser bandwidth than wifi, I think). Maybe they are going to release their own snapbridge or whatever Nikon/Canon are doing.

07-31-2020, 09:25 AM	#26
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by ogl ? I don't catch DLi90 is the highest powered Pentax Battery. Found since K-5 in all the APS-C (incl. K01 but excl. K-P), FF and MF flagships. So not a surprise for K-2 in this respect.

07-31-2020, 09:27 AM - 1 Like	#27
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by Zygonyx K-2 I gotta feeling it might be K-C... Or maybe the Pentax-C Centennial.. roman numeral for 100... They released the LX for the 60 year anniversary to compete against the Nikon/Canon pro market...

07-31-2020, 09:34 AM	#28
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by Not a Number I asked in a similar thread on the timing of the actual release following such filings. As I recall if varied from several weeks to several months. But the good news is the camera is either in the production phase very close to it. Receipt Date : May 25, 2020 Country of Mass-production : Philippines Condition : Production model / Production prototype / Engineering prototype (Not for Sale: This sample is equivalent to mass-produced items.) Source: R03010 DIGITAL CAMERA Test Report 03 FCC _DTS RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, .

07-31-2020, 09:39 AM - 1 Like	#30
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by boriscleto But how is that going to work with SR? haha would be a great marketing tool for the new 7-axis SR III that will be announced....