R03010 = K-new was registered by FCC on 27 July 2020

surfar · 08-12-2020, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

No camera manufacturer in Japan will ever produce a camera with the model name "4"

XT-4,yes Fuji cant count.Canon cant either,5d mk iv(short for intravenous,the blood sucker model)

bxf · 08-12-2020, 05:16 PM

Have we forgotten the Nikon F4?

OoKU · 08-12-2020, 05:50 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BROO

K-even number wins the vote. Maybe K-4, leaving K-2 for the future FF camera? K-4 would also fit in with 4K capable improved video.

The name of K-new is hidden in the voting options.

BROO · 08-12-2020, 06:07 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by OoKU

The name of K-new is hidden in the voting options.

KV for viewfinder?

cfraz · 08-12-2020, 08:46 PM - **11 Likes**

Originally posted by Biro

Wrong. The KP was obviously meant to be the top of the line APS-C camera, to be sold alongside the full-frame K-1. It was only the outrage from the Pentax faithful that forced Ricoh to make some bumbling statement about that not being the case.

How long has it been since the KP was introduced? We still don't have another APS-C camera from Pentax. That'll come later this year. The truth is, Pentax only started from scratch on an APS-C flagship after Pentaxians said they weren't satisfied with the KP.

I'm sorry... I don't mean to flame anyone. But if you think otherwise, you weren't paying attention.

From Ricoh's press release* on Jan. 26, 2017 announcing the KP, linked by kwp in post #138 of this thread:

1) The notation tagging the press release:

Quote:

New release of PENTAX KP, a middle-class digital single-lens reflex camera equipped with the new APS-C size sensor

2) The title of the press release:

Quote:

Middle class digital SLR camera equipped with new APS-C size sensor

3) The first paragraph right after pictures of the KP:

Quote:

Ricoh Co., Ltd. (President: Zenji Miura) and Ricoh Imaging Co., Ltd. (President: Noboru Akabane) have a compact body that can be carried around every day, high basic performance that supports full-scale production, and photographers and shooting scenes. We are pleased to announce the release of the PENTAX KP, a middle-class digital single-lens reflex camera with a variety of customization functions to suit your needs.

Ricoh Co. president and Ricoh Imaging Co. president both clearly and without ambiguity identified the KP's place in the Pentax line-up with no bumbling, before any outrage, before the camera was sold.

Unfortunately, Ricoh USA executives waffled on the issue, but they only distribute product. I'm not sure why we give so much weight to what Ricoh USA folk said in interviews vs. what company officials who planned, designed, and brought the KP to market actually wrote about it.

* Translation by Google Translate, highlighting added.

**rod_grant** · 08-12-2020, 09:54 PM - **5 Likes**

cfraz, you are confusing facts from 2017 with hyperbole from 2020. Don't expect everyone to agree with the facts. They have been offered often enough previously, but some are too blind or <insert own words> to see.

Kunzite · 08-13-2020, 12:13 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by cfraz

Ricoh Co. president and Ricoh Imaging Co. president both clearly and without ambiguity identified the KP's place in the Pentax line-up with no bumbling, before any outrage, before the camera was sold.

They weren't paying attention.

Zygonyx · 08-13-2020, 12:55 AM

The question is what has the subsequent market evolution been for RI in USA since this confusing local statement.
And i guess that it has not been positive.

thibs · 08-13-2020, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by OoKU

The name of K-new is hidden in the voting options.

So either K4 or K2 IMO.

Personally, I think would be somewhat logical to keep K2 for FF 'cos well, in the end we will probably seen a second FF in the range. So space is there.

But that's just me.

Zygonyx · 08-13-2020, 02:49 AM

i agree, btw, K-2 is the second highest summit in the Hymalaya...
Sounds good for the APS-C flagship.

**Serkevan** · 08-13-2020, 02:58 AM

I'm betting on K-2, if only because K-4 would make it sound like a regression and the other options make no sense except for KV (which would sound cool and would point to a return to "double letter" naming?).

IMO the product naming could use consolidating. Add Mk suffixes as needed for anything that doesn't deviate too strongly from the basic idea of the camera line.

Kunzite · 08-13-2020, 03:21 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by OoKU

The name of K-new is hidden in the voting options.

So they really named it Something Else...

**Serkevan** · 08-13-2020, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

So they really named it Something Else...

Nah, it's K-SMQ, but SMQ stands for Super Multi Quality.

OoKU · 08-13-2020, 04:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BROO

KV for viewfinder?

victory,velocity,viewfinder?
haha~

Mistral75 · 08-13-2020, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by OoKU

victory,velocity,viewfinder?
haha~

V for Vaccine (against mirrorless cameras), like in Sputnik V.

08-12-2020, 09:54 PM - 5 Likes	#171
rod_grant Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wangaratta, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,951	cfraz, you are confusing facts from 2017 with hyperbole from 2020. Don't expect everyone to agree with the facts. They have been offered often enough previously, but some are too blind or <insert own words> to see. Last edited by rod_grant; 08-12-2020 at 11:01 PM.

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08-12-2020, 04:52 PM	#166
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Originally posted by MarkJerling No camera manufacturer in Japan will ever produce a camera with the model name "4" XT-4,yes Fuji cant count.Canon cant either,5d mk iv(short for intravenous,the blood sucker model)

08-12-2020, 05:16 PM	#167
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Have we forgotten the Nikon F4?

08-12-2020, 05:50 PM - 1 Like	#168
OoKU Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 740	Originally posted by BROO K-even number wins the vote. Maybe K-4, leaving K-2 for the future FF camera? K-4 would also fit in with 4K capable improved video. The name of K-new is hidden in the voting options.

08-12-2020, 06:07 PM - 1 Like	#169
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Originally posted by OoKU The name of K-new is hidden in the voting options. KV for viewfinder?

08-12-2020, 08:46 PM - 11 Likes	#170
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Originally posted by Biro Wrong. The KP was obviously meant to be the top of the line APS-C camera, to be sold alongside the full-frame K-1. It was only the outrage from the Pentax faithful that forced Ricoh to make some bumbling statement about that not being the case. How long has it been since the KP was introduced? We still don't have another APS-C camera from Pentax. That'll come later this year. The truth is, Pentax only started from scratch on an APS-C flagship after Pentaxians said they weren't satisfied with the KP. I'm sorry... I don't mean to flame anyone. But if you think otherwise, you weren't paying attention. From Ricoh's press release* on Jan. 26, 2017 announcing the KP, linked by kwp in post #138 of this thread: 1) The notation tagging the press release: Quote: New release of PENTAX KP, a middle-class digital single-lens reflex camera equipped with the new APS-C size sensor 2) The title of the press release: Quote: Middle class digital SLR camera equipped with new APS-C size sensor 3) The first paragraph right after pictures of the KP: Quote: Ricoh Co., Ltd. (President: Zenji Miura) and Ricoh Imaging Co., Ltd. (President: Noboru Akabane) have a compact body that can be carried around every day, high basic performance that supports full-scale production, and photographers and shooting scenes. We are pleased to announce the release of the PENTAX KP, a middle-class digital single-lens reflex camera with a variety of customization functions to suit your needs. Ricoh Co. president and Ricoh Imaging Co. president both clearly and without ambiguity identified the KP's place in the Pentax line-up with no bumbling, before any outrage, before the camera was sold. Unfortunately, Ricoh USA executives waffled on the issue, but they only distribute product. I'm not sure why we give so much weight to what Ricoh USA folk said in interviews vs. what company officials who planned, designed, and brought the KP to market actually wrote about it. * Translation by Google Translate, highlighting added.

08-13-2020, 12:13 AM - 2 Likes	#172
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by cfraz Ricoh Co. president and Ricoh Imaging Co. president both clearly and without ambiguity identified the KP's place in the Pentax line-up with no bumbling, before any outrage, before the camera was sold. They weren't paying attention.

08-13-2020, 12:55 AM	#173
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	The question is what has the subsequent market evolution been for RI in USA since this confusing local statement. And i guess that it has not been positive.

08-13-2020, 02:14 AM	#174
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by OoKU The name of K-new is hidden in the voting options. So either K4 or K2 IMO. Personally, I think would be somewhat logical to keep K2 for FF 'cos well, in the end we will probably seen a second FF in the range. So space is there. But that's just me.

08-13-2020, 02:49 AM	#175
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	i agree, btw, K-2 is the second highest summit in the Hymalaya... Sounds good for the APS-C flagship.

08-13-2020, 02:58 AM	#176
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	I'm betting on K-2, if only because K-4 would make it sound like a regression and the other options make no sense except for KV (which would sound cool and would point to a return to "double letter" naming?). IMO the product naming could use consolidating. Add Mk suffixes as needed for anything that doesn't deviate too strongly from the basic idea of the camera line.

08-13-2020, 03:21 AM - 2 Likes	#177
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by OoKU The name of K-new is hidden in the voting options. So they really named it *Something Else*...

08-13-2020, 03:23 AM	#178
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Kunzite So they really named it *Something Else*... Nah, it's K-SMQ, but SMQ stands for Super Multi Quality.

08-13-2020, 04:50 AM - 1 Like	#179
OoKU Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 740	Originally posted by BROO KV for viewfinder? victory,velocity,viewfinder? haha~

08-13-2020, 04:53 AM	#180
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by OoKU victory,velocity,viewfinder? haha~ V for Vaccine (against mirrorless cameras), like in Sputnik V.