Another snippet from Pentax HQ

Henk T · 09-04-2020, 01:06 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by yucatanPentax

Yes, it's all about the super-improved optical viewfinder. (and there's an entirely new improved image sensor, imaging engine, and accelerator unit --- which are almost mentioned as an afterthought).

So, from now on, we must concentrate debate on how wonderful the optical viewfinder is: super wonderful, medium delightful, somewhat fabulous, the best thing since sliced bread, or dammit, imma spend all day laying in the mud again.

I will not be laying in the mud again, that's not for me "enjoying the entire photographic experience" (Wakashiro). So this means I will concentrate on the use of my FF K-1 and forget a new APS-C.

**BigMackCam** · 09-04-2020, 01:17 AM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by Henk T

I will not be laying in the mud again, that's not for me "enjoying the entire photographic experience" (Wakashiro). So this means I will concentrate on the use of my FF K-1 and forget a new APS-C.

I'm sure you're not alone - there will be a small few for whom a fixed screen is a legitimate deal-breaker. Can't please all the people all of the time, right?

You always have the option of a KP if you're looking for improved APS-C image quality and an articulating screen

**Serkevan** · 09-04-2020, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

I'm sure you're not alone - there will be a small few for whom a fixed screen is a legitimate deal-breaker. Can't please all the people all of the time, right?

You always have the option of a KP if you're looking for improved APS-C image quality and an articulating screen

Or waiting for the next camera, which will probably have some of the K-New's improvements -particularly in terms of IQ- as is tradition. Whether that's gonna be a KPii or a K-90, I don't know.

house · 09-04-2020, 01:40 AM - **2 Likes**

I like their thinking around issues such as the tilt screen. I have been arguing for more tough and clear decisions like that for a while.

The way he speaks about the screen being for reviewing images also shows that they've considered the workflow and features.

Its also good that the mud shooters are saved from purchasing gear that is sub optimal for their needs. A k1 or Kp is likely a much better fit. I don't think the IQ improvements over those cameras will be significant. I'm not the target user for this new camera by the way.

Curious about the "image tracking" comment. With translations etc one can never be sure.

Henk T · 09-04-2020, 01:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

I'm sure you're not alone - there will be a small few for whom a fixed screen is a legitimate deal-breaker. Can't please all the people all of the time, right?

You always have the option of a KP if you're looking for improved APS-C image quality and an articulating screen

KP or K-70 would be fine as back-up camera except these are missing built-in GPS that is very useful for automatic reporting to the dataset for nature observations. K-1 (and K3 II) is one of the few DSLR's and mirrorless camera's that have this.

**ffking** · 09-04-2020, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by house

Its also good that the mud shooters are saved from purchasing gear that is sub optimal for their needs.

I don't disagree with any of your comment, but I wanted it to be clear that the like was for this

**BigMackCam** · 09-04-2020, 02:14 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Henk T

KP or K-70 would be fine as back-up camera except these are missing built-in GPS that is very useful for automatic reporting to the dataset for nature observations. K-1 (and K3 II) is one of the few DSLR's and mirrorless camera's that have this.

I don't use GPS on either of my cameras that have it (K-3II and Hasselblad HV), but again I can appreciate why it's useful for some people. Still, there's always the O-GPS1 unit for those that need it... Not as elegant as an in-camera solution, admittedly, but at least it provides the required functionality. Just as the flippy screen didn't fit with the design goals of the K-New, I guess in-camera GPS didn't fit the goals for the K-70 or KP...

---------- Post added 04-09-20 at 10:22 ----------

Originally posted by Serkevan

Or waiting for the next camera, which will probably have some of the K-New's improvements -particularly in terms of IQ- as is tradition. Whether that's gonna be a KPii or a K-90, I don't know.

One thing is certain... Whatever specifications, features and performance any new camera brings, there will be those who are delighted by it, those who are ambivalent, and those who are disappointed. Folks with specialist or very specific individual requirements are at greater risk of being in the disappointed camp. I'm fortunate that almost any camera fits my rather broad and general use cases, so my risk of disappointment is minimal...

Henk T · 09-04-2020, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

I don't use GPS on either of my cameras that have it (K-3II and Hasselblad HV), but again I can appreciate why it's useful for some people. Still, there's always the O-GPS1 unit for those that need it... Not as elegant as an in-camera solution, admittedly, but at least it provides the required functionality. Just as the flippy screen didn't fit with the design goals of the K-New, I guess in-camera GPS didn't fit the goals for the K-70 or KP...

---------- Post added 04-09-20 at 10:22 ----------

One thing is certain... Whatever specifications, features and performance any new camera brings, there will be those who are delighted by it, those who are ambivalent, and those who are disappointed. Folks with specialist or very specific individual requirements are at greater risk of being in the disappointed camp. I'm fortunate that almost any camera fits my rather broad and general use cases, so my risk of disappointment is minimal...

Built-in GPS is a luxury feature that only a few flagships have, though there are bridge camera's used for nature shooting that have GPS. The O-GPS1 could indeed be a solution if no flash unit is required, at a cost of 200+ euros. I'd better stick with my K-1.

house · 09-04-2020, 02:51 AM - **2 Likes**

GPS is a very important feature for me. Before the k-3 ii I had to install apps on my phone, remember to turn them on/off to manage battery, and run software on the workstation that coupled the GPS track with the images. Issues with syncing time between devices as well as time formats meant a fair bit of hassle and less precision than I wanted.

Much of this can be solved with better softare such that the camera and phone is reliably locked in and synced. Everyone seems to have issues achieving this so perhaps GPS is still relevant.

**BigMackCam** · 09-04-2020, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by Henk T

Built-in GPS is a luxury feature that only a few flagships have, though there are bridge camera's used for nature shooting that have GPS. The O-GPS1 could indeed be a solution if no flash unit is required, at a cost of 200+ euros. I'd better stick with my K-1.

O-GPS1 is currently priced at GBP 149.99 (less than 170 euros) from SRS Microsystems. When added to the comparatively low cost of a K-70 or KP these days (especially when discounted), either is a pretty competitively-priced option. On balance, though, I think you are indeed better off sticking with the K-1 for your purposes. At least you have options

Kunzite · 09-04-2020, 03:09 AM

Built-in GPS is for me more important than - say - articulated LCDs.
I had the O GPS-1, and, sorry, but that's a cumbersome solution. Having something attached on the camera, which you have to remember to turn on and off (as it doesn't have great battery life), a separate battery... nope, sorry.

I don't plan to buy the K-new anyway, I'm waiting for the next K-1. I hope that camera will have a built-in GPS.

totsmuyco · 09-04-2020, 04:16 AM

I don't need a new camera for me now. But maybe for my son and my daughter if I have the funds someday I'd give each of them a KP. For my personal needs, maybe 3 years down the line I'd be looking at this camera. I'm more interested in the image quality and AF.C. Though the flippy screen would have been nice but, I think they gave us a valid reason why not.

**ThorSanchez** · 09-04-2020, 04:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

Great analogy.

Ground ball to Wakashiro at short, he's up with it, tosses over to first... and that's the ballgame.

**Erictator** · 09-04-2020, 05:42 AM - **4 Likes**

Like I just said on another forum to the same point, now if Ricoh could just perfect a good teathered shooting app wireless to our cell phones which all have nice large screens, I personally wouldnt miss the flippy screens one bit.

No need for laying in mud, as a matter of fact, its better than a flippy screen because you can stand while your camera is on a little mini pod or bean bag and focus and trip the shutter on your cell. I use the current app that way, and with all its flaws it sure beats kneeling down to see a 3" flippy screen and use the on-camera controls! I really believe Ricoh should invest in perfecting the app more than worry about flippy screens.

Thats* my .02

**pres589** · 09-04-2020, 06:06 AM - **1 Like**

What sounds smart to me would be a universal Ricoh Tethering App that allows for any Ricoh camera including cameras from Pentax to tether to smart devices that can run the app. So your Theta and your Knew and whatever else can all be used and controlled this way. I would rather have this than a tilty screen. And it would get all of Ricoh's app development to focus on fewer moving targets at the same time.

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09-04-2020, 01:06 AM - 2 Likes	#331
Henk T Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 33	Originally posted by yucatanPentax Yes, it's all about the super-improved optical viewfinder. (and there's an entirely new improved image sensor, imaging engine, and accelerator unit --- which are almost mentioned as an afterthought). So, from now on, we must concentrate debate on how wonderful the optical viewfinder is: super wonderful, medium delightful, somewhat fabulous, the best thing since sliced bread, or dammit, imma spend all day laying in the mud again. I will not be laying in the mud again, that's not for me "enjoying the entire photographic experience" (Wakashiro). So this means I will concentrate on the use of my FF K-1 and forget a new APS-C.

09-04-2020, 01:17 AM - 5 Likes	#332
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by Henk T I will not be laying in the mud again, that's not for me "enjoying the entire photographic experience" (Wakashiro). So this means I will concentrate on the use of my FF K-1 and forget a new APS-C. I'm sure you're not alone - there will be a small few for whom a fixed screen is a legitimate deal-breaker. Can't please all the people all of the time, right? You always have the option of a KP if you're looking for improved APS-C image quality and an articulating screen

09-04-2020, 01:37 AM	#333
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by BigMackCam I'm sure you're not alone - there will be a small few for whom a fixed screen is a legitimate deal-breaker. Can't please all the people all of the time, right? You always have the option of a KP if you're looking for improved APS-C image quality and an articulating screen Or waiting for the next camera, which will probably have some of the K-New's improvements -particularly in terms of IQ- as is tradition. Whether that's gonna be a KPii or a K-90, I don't know.

09-04-2020, 01:40 AM - 2 Likes	#334
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	I like their thinking around issues such as the tilt screen. I have been arguing for more tough and clear decisions like that for a while. The way he speaks about the screen being for reviewing images also shows that they've considered the workflow and features. Its also good that the mud shooters are saved from purchasing gear that is sub optimal for their needs. A k1 or Kp is likely a much better fit. I don't think the IQ improvements over those cameras will be significant. I'm not the target user for this new camera by the way. Curious about the "image tracking" comment. With translations etc one can never be sure.

09-04-2020, 01:57 AM - 1 Like	#335
Henk T Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 33	Originally posted by BigMackCam I'm sure you're not alone - there will be a small few for whom a fixed screen is a legitimate deal-breaker. Can't please all the people all of the time, right? You always have the option of a KP if you're looking for improved APS-C image quality and an articulating screen KP or K-70 would be fine as back-up camera except these are missing built-in GPS that is very useful for automatic reporting to the dataset for nature observations. K-1 (and K3 II) is one of the few DSLR's and mirrorless camera's that have this.

09-04-2020, 02:08 AM	#336
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by house Its also good that the mud shooters are saved from purchasing gear that is sub optimal for their needs. I don't disagree with any of your comment, but I wanted it to be clear that the like was for this

09-04-2020, 02:14 AM - 4 Likes	#337
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by Henk T KP or K-70 would be fine as back-up camera except these are missing built-in GPS that is very useful for automatic reporting to the dataset for nature observations. K-1 (and K3 II) is one of the few DSLR's and mirrorless camera's that have this. I don't use GPS on either of my cameras that have it (K-3II and Hasselblad HV), but again I can appreciate why it's useful for some people. Still, there's always the O-GPS1 unit for those that need it... Not as elegant as an in-camera solution, admittedly, but at least it provides the required functionality. Just as the flippy screen didn't fit with the design goals of the K-New, I guess in-camera GPS didn't fit the goals for the K-70 or KP... ---------- Post added 04-09-20 at 10:22 ---------- Originally posted by Serkevan Or waiting for the next camera, which will probably have some of the K-New's improvements -particularly in terms of IQ- as is tradition. Whether that's gonna be a KPii or a K-90, I don't know. One thing is certain... Whatever specifications, features and performance any new camera brings, there will be those who are delighted by it, those who are ambivalent, and those who are disappointed. Folks with specialist or very specific individual requirements are at greater risk of being in the disappointed camp. I'm fortunate that almost any camera fits my rather broad and general use cases, so my risk of disappointment is minimal...

09-04-2020, 02:42 AM	#338
Henk T Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 33	Originally posted by BigMackCam I don't use GPS on either of my cameras that have it (K-3II and Hasselblad HV), but again I can appreciate why it's useful for some people. Still, there's always the O-GPS1 unit for those that need it... Not as elegant as an in-camera solution, admittedly, but at least it provides the required functionality. Just as the flippy screen didn't fit with the design goals of the K-New, I guess in-camera GPS didn't fit the goals for the K-70 or KP... ---------- Post added 04-09-20 at 10:22 ---------- One thing is certain... Whatever specifications, features and performance any new camera brings, there will be those who are delighted by it, those who are ambivalent, and those who are disappointed. Folks with specialist or very specific individual requirements are at greater risk of being in the disappointed camp. I'm fortunate that almost any camera fits my rather broad and general use cases, so my risk of disappointment is minimal... Built-in GPS is a luxury feature that only a few flagships have, though there are bridge camera's used for nature shooting that have GPS. The O-GPS1 could indeed be a solution if no flash unit is required, at a cost of 200+ euros. I'd better stick with my K-1.

09-04-2020, 02:51 AM - 2 Likes	#339
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	GPS is a very important feature for me. Before the k-3 ii I had to install apps on my phone, remember to turn them on/off to manage battery, and run software on the workstation that coupled the GPS track with the images. Issues with syncing time between devices as well as time formats meant a fair bit of hassle and less precision than I wanted. Much of this can be solved with better softare such that the camera and phone is reliably locked in and synced. Everyone seems to have issues achieving this so perhaps GPS is still relevant.

09-04-2020, 02:58 AM	#340
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by Henk T Built-in GPS is a luxury feature that only a few flagships have, though there are bridge camera's used for nature shooting that have GPS. The O-GPS1 could indeed be a solution if no flash unit is required, at a cost of 200+ euros. I'd better stick with my K-1. O-GPS1 is currently priced at GBP 149.99 (less than 170 euros) from SRS Microsystems. When added to the comparatively low cost of a K-70 or KP these days (especially when discounted), either is a pretty competitively-priced option. On balance, though, I think you are indeed better off sticking with the K-1 for your purposes. At least you have options

09-04-2020, 03:09 AM	#341
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Built-in GPS is for me more important than - say - articulated LCDs. I had the O GPS-1, and, sorry, but that's a cumbersome solution. Having something attached on the camera, which you have to remember to turn on and off (as it doesn't have great battery life), a separate battery... nope, sorry. I don't plan to buy the K-new anyway, I'm waiting for the next K-1. I hope that camera will have a built-in GPS.

09-04-2020, 04:16 AM	#342
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	I don't need a new camera for me now. But maybe for my son and my daughter if I have the funds someday I'd give each of them a KP. For my personal needs, maybe 3 years down the line I'd be looking at this camera. I'm more interested in the image quality and AF.C. Though the flippy screen would have been nice but, I think they gave us a valid reason why not.

09-04-2020, 04:45 AM - 1 Like	#343
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by normhead Great analogy. Ground ball to Wakashiro at short, he's up with it, tosses over to first... and that's the ballgame.

09-04-2020, 05:42 AM - 4 Likes	#344
Erictator Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,344	Like I just said on another forum to the same point, now if Ricoh could just perfect a good teathered shooting app wireless to our cell phones which all have nice large screens, I personally wouldnt miss the flippy screens one bit. No need for laying in mud, as a matter of fact, its better than a flippy screen because you can stand while your camera is on a little mini pod or bean bag and focus and trip the shutter on your cell. I use the current app that way, and with all its flaws it sure beats kneeling down to see a 3" flippy screen and use the on-camera controls! I really believe Ricoh should invest in perfecting the app more than worry about flippy screens. Thats* my .02

09-04-2020, 06:06 AM - 1 Like	#345
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	What sounds smart to me would be a universal Ricoh Tethering App that allows for any Ricoh camera including cameras from Pentax to tether to smart devices that can run the app. So your Theta and your Knew and whatever else can all be used and controlled this way. I would rather have this than a tilty screen. And it would get all of Ricoh's app development to focus on fewer moving targets at the same time.